Is Oweh’s return less likely ?

[blue cincy]

Absolutely! But for everyone who doesn't make it, another one does. And most of these dudes don't make it this far without having some serious belief in themselves. There is also the flip side for guys that return and don't improve much, regress or get injured and see their long-term payday slip away. Oweh has to be the one to balance all of that.

No players at any school or under any coach all worked out. But, is that what Oweh will concentrate on or will he concentrate on his self belief?

With OO his self belief is there either way. He is a very confident individual. He comes for a family in athletics. He will not see a return as a backwards step. The same that Clayton did for Florida last year.

One thing i know from the 3 minute conversation i had with OO back last summer at the event at the arena at the horse park is that he oozes confidence. I miss pronounced his name, he looked me dead in the eye and told me how to pronounce it and actually gave real answers to my questions. Most did, a few (i will not name did not) and 2 were not there. Butler and Oweh were both the same type of personality. Either way I wish the guy nothing but success in life be it basketball or business down the road.

 

[BBNinSC]

Just asking here, because I don't recognize a lot of those names, but how many of them are shooting guards?
Oweh is a 2 at the NBA level and you better be able to hit at a high percentage if you want to play the 2 in the NBA.
I just don't want to compare Oweh to guys that were 3's, 4's and centers.

2nd round guys that play the 2/3 just from the SEC that Otega is competing with:
Labaron Philon
Chaz Lanier
Tahaad Pettiford
I can’t imagine Otega getting drafted before these 3.

 

[Nicholascat]

Jeff Goodman seems to think Oweh is back. I hope he's right. In the same article I read on Facebook it said a decision could come today or tomorrow.

 

[blue cincy]

Sure, but he made it clear the NBA was his goal and first interest. "If I decide to go back" is a pretty good indicator that a return would be his backup choice.

He probably has an agent now. Even CBB players are currently allowed to have agents. He just finished the combine and is going through private works. No point in pulling his name out until he has to.

Lol, I am not going after anyone. I am simply disputing this notion that 2nd rd picks don't get good deals. They do! I have provided you with several reliable sources on the matter, and you can simply search the players name with the word contract at the end and find confirmation for their contracts. If you choose to consider it fake news, that's on you. And if you only beleive contracts exists when you can see them, you must be a bit out there logically.

I never said he was or wasn't ready. I simply stated he sounds like he is gone if he gets a guarantee, and you have gone on to have a fit over that statement. If you truly beleive he returns, the why do you care so much about what I say or think?

Again, I said I like debating this stuff.

I am not jacked out of place on this. I think when people talk about things, with any amount of discussions it becomes them being jacked up about this stuff. I am an old mountain boy deep down and will never be able to leave well enough alone. We both are like 2 friends trying to get the last word. Like I have stated throughout this thread, stay or go is fine by me. If he goes Pope adds one more decent guy but does not have to be at OO level as Aberdeen is already at that level but was not the focus of Florida offense. If OO comes back I am happy as I really like the man (not the player as much as the man). He is driven, focused and will be a huge part of UK always (stay or go).

 

[Digger-Cat]

But that is what you're saying when you some.of you all claim you don't see him getting a guaranteed deal.

Those holes are still going to exists at either level. They existed this past year and he still got invited to the combine over many others.

That's incorrect. You're trying to make it seem like the NBA isn't much better than the college game, but that can't be any further from the truth.
The NBA is a completely different game and it is played at a much higher level.
The holes in Oweh's game, are critical to what is necessary to play in the NBA, but those holes he has, are still better than you will find on most college teams.
I think you need to understand the NBA is much more than just a small step better than college. The NBA is the absolute best of the best.

If 35% is a serious weapon in college, I feel it would be equally as so in the NBA. And the NBA tends to get more open looks.


35% seems like a pretty good clip, even forn2 guards in the NBA.

You think he will just automatically shoot 35% in the NBA against NBA level guards, because he did it in college, against dudes that will be selling insurance in 2 years??? I believe you're smarter than this.
Look, you very well could end up being right in the end. Maybe OO takes a leap of faith and jumps, but his game, as it sits right now, won't fly in the NBA. I just think it would be an incredibly bad decision to jump when 3 Million bucks is sitting right there for the taking at UK and he will be in a better situation with the NBA next year. He will he a better player.

 

[Digger-Cat]

Absolutely! But for everyone who doesn't make it, another one does. And most of these dudes don't make it this far without having some serious belief in themselves. There is also the flip side for guys that return and don't improve much, regress or get injured and see their long-term payday slip away. Oweh has to be the one to balance all of that.

No players at any school or under any coach all worked out. But, is that what Oweh will concentrate on or will he concentrate on his self belief?

You think the ratio of college guys that make it to the NBA, is 1:1???
I'll have what you're having, that is some good shit.

 

[blue cincy]

Absolutely! But for everyone who doesn't make it, another one does. And most of these dudes don't make it this far without having some serious belief in themselves. There is also the flip side for guys that return and don't improve much, regress or get injured and see their long-term payday slip away. Oweh has to be the one to balance all of that.

No players at any school or under any coach all worked out. But, is that what Oweh will concentrate on or will he concentrate on his self belief?

How many people (foreign, early entrants, seniors) try to get one of the 58 spots, then you have others that sign smaller 2 way deals each year. It is not a 1 for 1 basis and more likely a 8 or 9 undrafted to drafted or signed. Then out of those that sign, how many actually make it on teams for multi years out of that group. Not as bad off as NFL but still this is winning the lottery unless you are a top 14 pick. Even top 14 do not all make it. Just saying if you can get 1.5 to 3 mil at UK with all the free you get, get to work on your game, then go through the same process (hopefully better than the previous year), why not.

 

[Digger-Cat]

2nd round guys that play the 2/3 just from the SEC that Otega is competing with:
Labaron Philon
Chaz Lanier
Tahaad Pettiford
I can’t imagine Otega getting drafted before these 3.

Those are the guys competing for the draft this year, I'm talking about the guys that were on the list I quoted. If we're quoting 3's, 4's and 5's that got bigtime deals and saying OO should get the same, as a 2 guard shooting 35%, that's just not going to work. If you're a 6'4" 2 guard, you better have better shooting stats.

 

[MidseasonTweaks]

it’s official just announced Oweh is staying in the draft and forfeiting his college eligibility

I hate that this made my heart drop, knowing it isn't true still.

 

[Digger-Cat]

it’s official just announced Oweh is staying in the draft and forfeiting his college eligibility

Where are you seeing this?

 

[BlueBloodedCat96]

I hate that this made my heart drop, knowing it isn't true still.

Glad you know I’m just messing around😁

 

[BlueBloodedCat96]

Where are you seeing this?

Nowhere buddy maybe he comes back

 

[Eagles_Ball]

I don’t believe that. You take the NBA money every time over NIL.

You're not very good with money if your decision is to take $600K over $3M. Even if Oweh's NIL deal is $1.5M, it's an incredibly bad decision. And that's IF he could actually get a two way deal, and that's not really a given.

NBA contracts are base salaries, there is extra endorsement money in the pros.

Oweh, at best a two way player, isn't making endorsement money in the league.

I also believe there is a myth attached to returning to college to improve your game. There is no better education than an NBA schedule against NBA players.

I couldn't agree more with this statement. A two way player or even full time G-leaguer is prepping better for the pros than a dude in college.

In most instances, the best decision is NBA if given the choice between the draft and returning to the college game.

NIL has changed this for guys like Oweh. Odds are he's never going to be an NBA player. If his NBA career earnings over/under was set at $3M, I'd hammer the under. That's the basis behind me saying to take the bag this year. That two way deal will be waiting for him next year. It ain't going anywhere.

I’m saying 65-35% he does not return.

Based on what? He isn't going to get drafted. He would be making a ridiculously poor decision unless he's got some backroom deal to get a two way contract, and even that is a bad idea. Why? It'll be there next year too. And he'll be $2.5M richer.

 

[Digger-Cat]

Glad you know I’m just messing around😁

Nowhere buddy maybe he comes back

Dude

 

[BlueBloodedCat96]

Dude

I’m sorry I had to

 

[Creed Bratton]

No hard feelings, the NBA died with Magic, Bird, Isiah, Worthy, MJ. I have not watched since those days.

But you are missing stuff like this....

 

[BlueBloodedCat96]

But you are missing stuff like this....

I agree with you and I didn’t even get to watch those guys play. Now days there’s just no culture or characters like Charles Barkley. It’s like everything is knock off which is crazy because I do think the athletes are better today and have a chance to be exciting but it just isn’t. Can’t even attach players to teams anymore because they get traded so much. Bird Celtics Magic Lakers MJ bulls etc..fake tough guys and bunch of yes men that walk a straight line so they don’t interfere with the millions they are making which is understandable but at the same time I feel like all the players you mentioned loved the game and would have almost played for free because they loved competing

 

[blue cincy]

But you are missing stuff like this....

Exactly. Back when NBA was basketball, not street ball, it was worth watching. I love how people watching NBA today think these players could have ever stood a chance against real players.

 

[GoNoles111]

it’s official just announced Oweh is staying in the draft and forfeiting his college eligibility

Mods

 

[blue cincy]

I agree with you and I didn’t even get to watch those guys play. Now days there’s just no culture or characters like Charles Barkley. It’s like everything is knock off which is crazy because I do think the athletes are better today and have a chance to be exciting but it just isn’t. Can’t even attach players to teams anymore because they get traded so much. Bird Celtics Magic Lakers MJ bulls etc..fake tough guys and bunch of yes men that walk a straight line so they don’t interfere with the millions they are making which is understandable but at the same time I feel like all the players you mentioned loved the game and would have almost played for free because they loved competing

I would have loved to see a Bill Lambier foul on one of these post players or a Kurt Rambis foul. They would be carted off the court and straight to the graveyard. No backbone at all in the game they put on the court now.

 

[Digger-Cat]

NBA allows far more freedom of movement and is more of an offensive showcase. That's why the scoring numbers are so outrageous. There are tons on wide open 3's and easy backdoor cuts and so forth every game because the defense is so bad. So from that perspective, I would say it can be a lot easier to score at the NBA level. Just look at the outrageous ppg some of these guys put up, even on good teams, that they didn't come close to in college.

Are the players typically more skilled, physical and athletic at the next level across the board? Sure! But there are still several aspects that would play to the favor of a guy like Oweh.

Any holes in his game are going to exists in college or in the pros. At least in the pros, he can work on them full time.

I actually think his shooting numbers would likely rise in the NBA do to being more open and more court spacing. He would also have more lanes to drive into the paint.

At this point, he is what he is at the collegiate level. If he is good enough to be a main piece for UKs title chances, then he is also good enough to get a shot at the league. It'll depend on whether someone makes him an offer he likes or not.

Never claimed that at all. Read the words carefully and think about them for a second. It's not even talking about the ratio of guys making it from college to pro.

Because a long term deal now would more likely than not put him in a better position long term. Plus, no promises the offer is still there next year, if he gets one.

It will all come down to what he ultimately wants and if he gets an offer and believes in himself enough to take it now. Based on his words, he does!

Well, we're not going to agree on this and that's cool. Hopefully OO comes back.
Although, I will agree, defense in the NBA is nonexistent at times, but that also is a byproduct of trying to defend 5 elite NBA talents that can spread the court and all 5 can beat you off the bounce. That's hard to guard.

 

[FilsonCat]

Oweh has gone through the process and by this point knows where he stands. I wouldn't take the statements he made about being "fully committed" as anything more than being a competitor. It would be hard to go and talk to NBA teams, do workouts, and request feedback if you were quoted in public as being unsure about your status. If he had a first round guarantee, he'd already be gone. A late second round contract is going to be a substantially worse position and should push him to return.

Leaving that amount of NIL money on the table for a two-way contract, or late second round pick doesn't make a ton of sense. We'll know the answer soon enough.

 

[rivercatinfl]

I think he has a spot in the second round and is gone. If he comes back awesome.

I wonder who MP is looking at to replace O if he stays in the draft?? I don't see Lowe making the cut but O has a legit shot IMO.

 

[bucsrule8872]

I wonder who MP is looking at to replace O if he stays in the draft?? I don't see Lowe making the cut but O has a legit shot IMO.

Good question.

There’s still some good guards/wings out there.

I think Watkins(F$U) would be a possibility if he pulls out of the draft.

Haggerty(Memphis) is another possibility, he’s a bucket-getter.

Williams(TT) and Luis(St. John’s) are still available, but might stay in the draft.

 

[UKWildcats1987]

Good question.

There’s still some good guards/wings out there.

I think Watkins(F$U) would be a possibility if he pulls out of the draft.

Haggerty(Memphis) is another possibility, he’s a bucket-getter.

Williams(TT) and Luis(St. John’s) are still available, but might stay in the draft.

And we have a ton of money to spend on any of them apparently. Hope we don't have to and OO is back but that helps.

 

[L.O.D.]

50/50. I think he wants to bolt an is looking for a reason . He wpuld be a defensive force on next year's team. With the inside rim protectors he can gamble even more on D for breakaways. But his stock os likely at its peak right now . Both options for him right now are appealing in different ways .

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

50/50. I think he wants to bolt an is looking for a reason . He wpuld be a defensive force on next year's team. With the inside rim protectors he can gamble even more on D for breakaways. But his stock os likely at its peak right now . Both options for him right now are appealing in different ways .

Why would his stock be at its peak right now? I don't get that type of logic. He could literally become a better playmaker and shooter, and thus his stock would only increase.

 

[bucsrule8872]

Why would his stock be at its peak right now? I don't get that type of logic. He could literally become a better playmaker and shooter, and thus his stock would only increase.

Exactly.

He’s a defensive guy right now and his shot isn’t good enough to be a 3 and D type player that has become the rage now.

He needs to tighten up his handles and work on his passing skills.

I feel like his defense is already elite, but that’s about it. That and his motor are the main appeal to the pros.

He needs to be in the gym working on ballhandling and passing and if he could work out that kink in his jumper, he could play in the league.

Without improving his game, he’s going to bounce around the G-League, IMHO.

 

[Digger-Cat]

50/50. I think he wants to bolt an is looking for a reason . He wpuld be a defensive force on next year's team. With the inside rim protectors he can gamble even more on D for breakaways. But his stock os likely at its peak right now . Both options for him right now are appealing in different ways .

So, if he came back to UK, averaged 18ppg, shot 39% from the outside and had a Walter Clayton type performance in the NCAAT, his stock would not go up?

 

[BigBlueManSouthCentralKY]

The mock draft I saw this morning had Oweh going next to last in the second round I think to Cleveland.

 

[BigBlueManSouthCentralKY]

Wasn't the players going to be talked to about where they stand in the draft the weekend we just finished? Seems that one report said that we should know about Oweh for sure early this week after they talked to him? Maybe he is like the guys that Cal recruited and is going pro or bust? I know he likes it here and said he has a good situation here but doesn't mean he is not like the go pro or bust type of guys. I know he has a week to pull out but if he has been talked to why the tough decision one way or the other?

 

[Blue wood]

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

Have a good day, my friend.

Obviously you have no idea what you are talking bout

 

[ArtLaibsGhost]

Rather than speculate with 0 information I'll just wait a week and see his decision.

 

[Fox2monk]

Rather than speculate with 0 information I'll just wait a week and see his decision.

I keep looking everyday to see if he made a decision yet, I really want him back 100%!

 

[king of cali]

Exactly.

He’s a defensive guy right now and his shot isn’t good enough to be a 3 and D type player that has become the rage now.

He needs to tighten up his handles and work on his passing skills.

I feel like his defense is already elite, but that’s about it. That and his motor are the main appeal to the pros.

He needs to be in the gym working on ballhandling and passing and if he could work out that kink in his jumper, he could play in the league.

Without improving his game, he’s going to bounce around the G-League, IMHO.

He’s looking at G League time whether he goes this year or next year. All those things that he needs to work on can be worked on at the next level with pro coaches. Whatever improvements can be made at UK can also be made playing for a pro organization.

I’ve said for weeks that Oweh is looking for a reason to stay in the draft, but ultimaltvi think he returns. All depends on if someone at the end of the draft is telling him what he wants to hear.

 

[JPFisher]

Obviously you have no idea what you are talking bout

This whole exchange is peak online disagreement 😂

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Short of a first round guarantee, I don't see any way he stays in the draft. The nil and first class treatment is just too much. Hed be crazy not to come back.

 

[JPFisher]

He’s looking at G League time whether he goes this year or next year. All those things that he needs to work on can be worked on at the next level with pro coaches. Whatever improvements can be made at UK can also be made playing for a pro organization.

I’ve said for weeks that Oweh is looking for a reason to stay in the draft, but ultimaltvi think he returns. All depends on if someone at the end of the draft is telling him what he wants to hear.

I agree he comes back, but the G-League coaching angle doesn't make sense to me, personally. Hart is a pro coach. Pope, McLean, and Hart all have NBA experience — coaching or playing. Hell, McLean is the HC for the Bahamas national team.

This staff is loaded with coaching firepower and UK will beat any G-League pay if the rumors about what OO's being offered are even just half true. If I was in OO's shoes, I'd be looking for a reason to stay in the draft too. That said, a coaching upgrade isn't a reason, IMO.

I think contracts and the two-year guarantee that comes with the first round are what ultimately bring him back. It's tough to imagine that a snake oil salesman is going to convince OO to bounce around in the G-League for a year or two while having to negotiate contracts versus coming back to college and raising his draft stock to that of a first rounder.

 

[bucsrule8872]

I really hope he comes back. We are legit with him on the roster.

He will be in the conversation for 1st team All-SEC, SEC POY, the All-American team, and NPOY.

Can we lose him and still be a contender? That’s a big maybe and probably depends on who we get as his replacement.

I don’t want to have to find out if Pope can replace him this late in the game.

 

[BarefootBeach]

He’s looking at G League time whether he goes this year or next year. All those things that he needs to work on can be worked on at the next level with pro coaches. Whatever improvements can be made at UK can also be made playing for a pro organization.

I’ve said for weeks that Oweh is looking for a reason to stay in the draft, but ultimaltvi think he returns. All depends on if someone at the end of the draft is telling him what he wants to hear.

Your OPINION is all over the map. You don’t know jack, just like the rest of us. So if he stays at uk another year he is still a G league guy? Isn't every player looking for a great reason to stay in the draft? Not any reason. Seems like he enjoyed this past year at uk and with a good NIL it would be easy for him to come back too.