I'm Back: Insight and Background on Quickley Visit and other notes...

[kentucky_wildcat_#1]

Self is a good coach and will turn Newman into a better basketball player than what the kid showed during his freshman season, but i bet even Self has nightmares of Newman bricking shot after shot during a NCAA tourney game. At one time, Newman was considered one of the best guards in the country, but after a year of college basketball, we all saw the kid lacks the size to play shooting guard and the handles to play point guard. The kid kid also enjoys every shot attempt he puts up. Watching him play, it's hard to see team player. If the kid has more size, we're probably talking major impact type of player. He doesn't.

 

[Wildcat-in-STL]

Since you have knowledge of this could you share? I must have missed it.....I have only read every post for like 10 years, so I could have missed it.

I'm highly confident that would of been massive to where we couldnt of missed it. Can you imagine the media or even rival fans not salivating at the chance of spreading that like wild fire wanting to catch Cal in a lie?

 

[morgousky]

I have a hard time finding a reason to worry about with recruiting with Cal as UK's coach. I doubt i will start looking for a reason with this recruiting class to worry about. Barrett is a talented player and will get a pitch from the best basketball programs in the country. When it's time to sign, the kid will decide which is the best for his future. Nothing has changed with Cal and Kentucky. Cal has a bunch of kids drafted year after year while Kentucky wins a bunch of basketball games and are in the mix to win national titles. When Barrett decides to sign with a school, with Cal still UK's head coach, i like Kentucky's chances of landing the kid as good as any other school/coach. Things still look good with Zion, who is also in that small group of elite talents entering college basketball next season. Quickley is a kid that i still think decides on Cal and Kentucky once it's all said and done, no matter if the kid got a lil offended during the process. These kids don't have to decide when we would like them to as fans. They will figure things out on their time and not ours. At the end of the day, if you have dreams to play in the NBA, what has changed with Cal at Kentucky lately? Nothing. Cal and Kentucky still means a lot of kids in the NBA. No matter the negative recruiting by many, it will still mean something when it's time for all these kids to sign somewhere.

I take the absence of paragraphs as a personal attack now.

 

[MrsTylerUlis]

I take the absence of paragraphs as a personal attack now.

I was thinking the exact same thing when I saw this post. I thought to myself, Morgousky is not gonna be happy.. Frankly, I always scroll past because I just can't bring myself to read a paragraph of that length. Even though the insight is usually pretty good!

 

[morgousky]

I was thinking the exact same thing when I saw this post. I thought to myself, Morgousky is not gonna be happy.. Frankly, I always scroll past because I just can't bring myself to read a paragraph of that length. Even though the insight is usually pretty good!

He's a solid poster.

 

[CoachX11]

The truth is there are 3 sources to get information about these kids, family/handlers, current coaches (high school and AAU), and college staffs. Our staff doesn't talk much, so there is little information on that end, current coaches generally slant the information toward what they want, and family/handlers are trying to keep certain people happy. The best sources are those that have some connection to all 3, but those are rare. When reading information, it is important to note which of the 3 the information is coming from. I don't believe recruiting is as fluent as some tend to believe, I just think the information is hard to sort through for experts and novices alike.

Good post. You're missing one more component that can heavily influence for 5 star level guys....



Agents.

 

[Jmeeks54thebest]

You know it barrett is a dukie mark that down. Recruits that are committing early aren't picking uk. Maybe beside quickley and each day he doesn't commit to uk makes me wonder. Better chance at recruits waiting to spring. To many ?s about the roster. Alot of 2 year players of this team. Like briscoe, t jones, lamb, ulis etc.no sure fire player on this team that says you know for sure he's lottery pick.

Why is it so hard for folks to understand that Jones and Lamb would've gone if there wasn't a lockout. Hell, Brandon Knight was on the edge of coming back because of the lockout.

Briscoe wasn't even projected to get drafted after his freshman or sophomore season.

Ullis? Really? The guy was 5'8". How many 5'8" freshmen get drafted? I can't recall any player that short getting drafted at 19. Getting him drafted after his second season was just as impressive as getting Harrelson drafted imo.

Finally, if anyone expects any of our freshmen (Diallo included) to come back hasn't been paying attention (yes, that was a GoT reference).

 

[FrankUnderwood]

So IQ to UK just as most of us thought.

The rest just seem like educated guesses , not so much an “inside scoop” which is fine. Recruiting is so up and down up and down etc it’s hard for any of us to get a real idea which way these guys are leaning sometimes.

 

[Mike-D]

Every media person in the state talks to our coaches. They dont leak recruiting info to any of them, including KSR.

I believe Matt Jones talks to Dewayne Peevy. Peevy talks directly to the UK coaching staff. He's getting info. No denying it.

 

[Cawood86]

I believe Matt Jones talks to Dewayne Peevy. Peevy talks directly to the UK coaching staff. He's getting info. No denying it.

Highly likely.

 

[GoCatsForever2k15]

Why is it so hard for folks to understand that Jones and Lamb would've gone if there wasn't a lockout. Hell, Brandon Knight was on the edge of coming back because of the lockout.

Briscoe wasn't even projected to get drafted after his freshman or sophomore season.

Ullis? Really? The guy was 5'8". How many 5'8" freshmen get drafted? I can't recall any player that short getting drafted at 19. Getting him drafted after his second season was just as impressive as getting Harrelson drafted imo.

Finally, if anyone expects any of our freshmen (Diallo included) to come back hasn't been paying attention (yes, that was a GoT reference).

Cauley Stein? Poythress? Lee? The Harrisons? Gabriel? There are plenty of highly regarded players who end up coming back for another year.

 

[Jmeeks54thebest]

Cauley Stein? Poythress? Lee? The Harrisons? Gabriel? There are plenty of highly regarded players who end up coming back for another year.

Cauley Stein was a 4 star player when he came in and had also just dedicated his athletic career to basketball (he formerly played wide reciever on his football team as well). He was very raw and the scouts said the same thing. Cal and Payne spent 3 years molding him into a lottery pick. That's a success story.

I don't remember Lee ever being on the mock drafts during his time at UK. If he was he was removed when it came time for the draft.

Harrisons were projected in the second round after their freshmen season. The only reason they came back was to try to get into the first round. They were also way overhyped coming out of HS.

Gabriel had no shot of going pro this past draft. Should we also commend Brad for spurning the draft?

Poythress could've gone first round after his freshman year. But that's the only year.

But just to have a little fun, let's count all of them. I'll count Ullis, Lamb, and Jones as well- even though they don't really count. That makes 8 players out of how many Calipari recruits (with real NBA potential) to return to school?

While it's not impossible some of these guys return it would literally be ignoring history to assume we get anyone of them back.

 

[ekywildcat]

^What? So you're telling me WCS played football in HS? That's unreal, who would ever have thought that!!!!

 

[BBUK]

I take the absence of paragraphs as a personal attack now.

Some people never pause while thinking. Kind of runs on and on and... (Don't take it personal, they just continually think of you. Stick a feather in your cap...)

 

[BBUK]

^What? So you're telling me WCS played football in HS? That's unreal, who would ever have thought that!!!!

I thought it was volleyball...

 

[Jmeeks54thebest]

^What? So you're telling me WCS played football in HS? That's unreal, who would ever have thought that!!!!

Haha, I know that's a reoccurring joke here but I promise I wasn't trying to continue to the running joke. Just using evidence to support my argument.

 

[GoCatsForever2k15]

Cauley Stein was a 4 star player when he came in and had also just dedicated his athletic career to basketball (he formerly played wide reciever on his football team as well). He was very raw and the scouts said the same thing. Cal and Payne spent 3 years molding him into a lottery pick. That's a success story.

I don't remember Lee ever being on the mock drafts during his time at UK. If he was he was removed when it came time for the draft.

Harrisons were projected in the second round after their freshmen season. The only reason they came back was to try to get into the first round. They were also way overhyped coming out of HS.

Gabriel had no shot of going pro this past draft. Should we also commend Brad for spurning the draft?

Poythress could've gone first round after his freshman year. But that's the only year.

But just to have a little fun, let's count all of them. I'll count Ullis, Lamb, and Jones as well- even though they don't really count. That makes 8 players out of how many Calipari recruits (with real NBA potential) to return to school?

While it's not impossible some of these guys return it would literally be ignoring history to assume we get anyone of them back.

SGA is a composite 4 star player just like WCS. The Harrison's were projected second round after their freshman year. Cool. Same thing could happen with a number of our guys, some of whom aren't projected to leave at all. Poythress could have gone after one year and he didn't. Same thing could happen with any one of our players, as none of them are in that "elite" category.

Your list is lacking several guys who were at least fringe 5 stars and stayed for their sophomore year...
Terrence Jones
Doron Lamb
Kyle Wiltjer
Alex Poythress
Andrew Harrison
Aaron Harrison
Dakari Johnson
Marcus Lee
Tyler Ulis
Wenyen Gabriel
Sacha Killeya-Jones

You're making up excuses for every player that's stayed and acting like none of those scenarios could happen here. Do we lose a ton of freshmen each season? Sure, but if you honestly think it's a lock that Green, SGA, Richards are gone after one year, it's clear who's not paying attention to history.

Every single recruiting class except his first, calipari has had at least one player with a high pedigree/NBA potential come back.

 

[Jmeeks54thebest]

SGA is a composite 4 star player just like WCS. The Harrison's were projected second round after their freshman year. Cool. Same thing could happen with a number of our guys, some of whom aren't projected to leave at all. Poythress could have gone after one year and he didn't. Same thing could happen with any one of our players, as none of them are in that "elite" category.

Your list is lacking several guys who were at least fringe 5 stars and stayed for their sophomore year...
Terrence Jones
Doron Lamb
Kyle Wiltjer
Alex Poythress
Andrew Harrison
Aaron Harrison
Dakari Johnson
Marcus Lee
Tyler Ulis
Wenyen Gabriel
Sacha Killeya-Jones

You're making up excuses for every player that's stayed and acting like none of those scenarios could happen here. Do we lose a ton of freshmen each season? Sure, but if you honestly think it's a lock that Green, SGA, Richards are gone after one year, it's clear who's not paying attention to history.

Every single recruiting class except his first, calipari has had at least one player with a high pedigree/NBA potential come back.

Umm no I addressed all of those players actually. That's what happens when you interject in the middle or end of a conversation...

SGA was elevated to 5 star status by at least one service (not sure which but it was big deal on the board when it happened). Some scouts and fans think SGA is better than Green, who is a 5 star.

And I never said it couldn't happen. What I said, and I'll quote, was: "if anyone EXPECTS anyone of our freshmen back hasn't been paying attention."

That statement does not ignore the possibility of some of our guys coming back. Not at all.

 

[Jmeeks54thebest]

If

I thought it was volleyball...

If memory serves Lee was the volleyball player

 

[GoCatsForever2k15]

Umm no I addressed all of those players actually. That's what happens when you interject in the middle or end of a conversation...

SGA was elevated to 5 star status by at least one service (not sure which but it was big deal on the board when it happened). Some scouts and fans think SGA is better than Green, who is a 5 star.

And I never said it couldn't happen. What I said, and I'll quote, was: "if anyone EXPECTS anyone of our freshmen back hasn't been paying attention."

That statement does not ignore the possibility of some of our guys coming back. Not at all.

You said there were 8 highly ranked guys in Cals tenure who stayed. There's more than that.

You also said "if anyone expects any of our freshmen (Diallo included) to come back hasn't been paying attention."

This is wrong, as nearly every single season, cal has at least one highly ranked dude come back. The evidence shows that we should generally expect 1-2 guys to come back each season.

 

[Jakarii]

Used to love his game in H.S. Didn't like it so much at his first college but during the overseas trip he seemed to have gotten that spark back and looked like the kid I saw in H.S but smarter and more poised

Self is a good coach and will turn Newman into a better basketball player than what the kid showed during his freshman season, but i bet even Self has nightmares of Newman bricking shot after shot during a NCAA tourney game. At one time, Newman was considered one of the best guards in the country, but after a year of college basketball, we all saw the kid lacks the size to play shooting guard and the handles to play point guard. The kid kid also enjoys every shot attempt he puts up. Watching him play, it's hard to see team player. If the kid has more size, we're probably talking major impact type of player. He doesn't.

 

[BBUK]

If

If memory serves Lee was the volleyball player

Trying to throw a curve...

 

[Jmeeks54thebest]

Trying to throw a curve...

Dang it. My bad.