If Other Coaches Had the Same Talent
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Izzo is a fine coach but he's second tier. Cal is tier 1.
Ignore the Pansy's on the board right now. The kids come out when UK isn't 10-0.
How does Izzo struggle with recruiting? Because he doesn't recruit at Duke's or UKs level?
So that means anyone who doesn't recruit like those two schools struggles at recruiting? Seems pretty stupid.
There are more than one way to skin a cat..Izzo wins with a mix of young and vertran talent...Cal goes for the one and dones. Neither is right or wrong...and both coaches have won at a consistent high level.
Having said that, Izzo needs to get a second national title. Last year was a dream making it to the Final Four without a single NBA player. Between this year and the next couple years, we have teams built to win it all. Whether we do or not we will have to wait and find out.
Cal proved in 1996 what he could do with a team full of talented (yet underrated) 3-4 year players.
No one wants to talk about how he turned a couple of 3-star guards (Padilla and Travieso) into the best backcourt in the nation.
But Cal can't win without 5-star guys. LOL!
No one wants to talk about how he turned a couple of 3-star guards (Padilla and Travieso) into the best backcourt in the nation.
But Cal can't win without 5-star guys. LOL!
Where in that entire post did I say that Izzo struggles with recruiting? That's right, I didn't. The whole premise of this thread is comparing Izzo and Cal.
So, in doing so, I pointed out that when compared to Cal, Izzo is the inferior recruiter out of the two. Wouldn't you agree? Of course you would because you already did in your post.
The only thing that seems pretty stupid around here is your reading comprehension.
Well willie, Mr Big Time Donor, you obviously were not around to see his flaming of our players, coaches and program in general from the very first football game.
He has shown massive amounts of ignorance, I dont care where you come from, i could have questioned some of your most recent posts, but never have because you are a real UK fan. Cant say the same about this guy.
I still dont understand this one:
"Michaeluk, wise up! I'm a booster and the money I, and many boosters give helps with this program.Just ask Billy Clyde what happens when you don't show up for booster meetings."
You keep on policing the members and protecting the trolls.
Great comeback, full of factual information to form a sensational, cogent rebuttal.
This place is a dumpster fire of homers who really aren't interested in discussing basketball.
Izzo is ousted almost every single time by tier one coaches when it matters. He's close to that top tier, but there's a few too many up there for him to stand on the elite surface. Cal and K are the elite of the elite. I'm sorry, laugh. I laugh too.
There's a few that do nothing but run around throwing childish insults and half the time it's not even warranted. You caught one.
There's a few who actually think they're clever, but lame is all that comes out.
Likewise. This place is also a dumpster fire of hilljacks that live vicariously through the team, haven't the first idea about the game of basketball, and only come here to bitch and complain about UK not always being "the bestest ever".
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You serious, Clark?
That MSU team didnt have a single NBA player...Memphis had Derrick Rose, CDR, and a myriad of top talents.
You serious, Clark?
That MSU team didnt have a single NBA player...Memphis had Derrick Rose, CDR, and a myriad of top talents.
Bump. Go back and look at both rosters from the 07-08 season, and see how many 4 and 5 star recruits for both. Granted, Rose was the best player on the floor, but top to bottom, talent wise, coming out of high school, both we're pretty equal, which was what the premise of this thread was about. Seems to me, Cal did better at developing the individual talent on his team. They slapped your team with equal or less talent 92-74. Hell, CDR was ranked in the 70's on this site.
Huh? How is Calipari the elite of the elite and Izzo isn't? Weren't you guys just in the NIT a few years ago (and you play in a beyond pathetic conference)
Izzo is 2-0 vs Pitino in Elite 8 games. He owns Self. Beat #1 ranked Calipari last time he played...Beat Jim Calhoun in the FF last time we played...
Is also 2-0 vs UK in elite 8 games...
You kind of sound a little butthurt to be honest, don't know why.
Izzo is the second best coach in the country behind K. Izzo gets bonus points for coaching at a non 'blue blood 6' and for building MSU into a national power.
Anyone can take the reigns at UNC or UK and win at a high level. The name sells itself.
And Draymond Green was a 3 star...must mean he sucked in college.
That game was men vs boys. MSU had a great run to the S16 just to beat a VERY hot Pitt team in the second round.
But ok, keep harping on that one game to prove some faux point.
Hypothetical answer:
Coach K - 350
Billy Donovan - 12
Tom Izzo 18
Rick Pitino - 15 seconds (runner ups)
Mark Few - very few
Rebuttal to what? Your warped opinion of Cal's success? Once again, only a moron would question his success at UK. A complete, total moron.
We can both go to the gutter. It's too easy.
Like, the girl in your picture is ugly. A plain Jane, nothin' happening dawg not worth tapping. But see, even though it's totally true, it's a hollow statement that doesn't really get us anywhere. We can do better. We can rise above.
I actually stopped coming to the board because it's full of hate and disgust. People get so upset over everything.
I wanted to try it out again and see if anyone actually preferred Izzo to Cal since Cal gets criticized (and rightfully so, this year) for his lack of COACHING ability compared to Izzo (not recruiting).
Apparently I'm going to have to hang it up again for a while, because the board hasn't changed.
You can be a UK fan and be critical of the team and coach, believe it or not. For example, I believe there are 3-5 other coaches in America who would have had NO PROBLEM winning the title with last year's squad, and John Wall's squad. Does that make me a hater or a fan of another team? No, just an honest observation that I believe sometimes Cal is a great recruiter but can lack in pressure coaching situations.
Does that mean I want Cal gone? No. I just wish he was a little better at the coaching aspect sometimes, which I think many (true) UK fans also hold the same sentiment.
Well what do we have here...a sensible post in Rafters. It's a damn Christmas miracle.
History would suggest no way in hell for Donovan. He had a mass exodus and went to back to back NIT's and barely made the tourney the 3rd year. Took him 4 seasons to recover and 7 just to get back to the final four.
Few there's just no way of knowing.
Izzo I might give a chance to.
Pitino younger teams have always struggled. His system seems like it takes a little longer to pick up.
Coach K proved he could to a degree last season. But they've also taken a bit of a step back this year.
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How many times have any coaches EVER had NO PROBLEM winning a title? The closest I can think of is Calipari in 2012. That was a pretty dramaless season and tournament.I would like to hear these 3-5 coaches.
I find it absolutely hilarious that a mere 6 years ago all I heard was "you can't win with freshmen" and now 3-5 coaches could win big every year with Cal's teams.
You don't handle adversity well, do you, champ? One loss in December and you're insulting people's wives/daughters/whoever that is. Grow up.
One loss in December? Has nothing to do with basketball. He called me a moron and the girl is ugly.
What am I missing...champ?
LSU had chris Jackson, stanely Roberts and SHAQ on the same team...as juniors and seniors (I think)...that is the most talent on a college team ever
Oh stop being the moral arbiter of an internet message board. Relax and go lay down.
See, but that isn't an honest observation at all. That's your agenda driven observation There's not a single coach anywhere that has NO PROBLEM winning a title. It's not as easy as you want to dream it to be. There's a reason the best team doesn't always win. It's a one and done, crap shoot tournament, that is the most UNPREDICTABLE sporting event ever.
For example, Coach K coached a team with 5 lottery picks, including the #1 overall pick. They were also an experienced team with all kinds of chemistry for being in his system for multiple years, not freshman playing their first season in college and together as a team. He failed to win the title with that team. So, if he can't win the title with that team, how can you make an "honest" observation and claim that he would have NO PROBLEM winning with one of Cal's teams?
That post was far from sensible. Saying 3-5 coaches would have NO PROBLEM winning a title with Cal's teams, when those same 3-5 coaches have failed to win a title when they had the best teams, teams just as good, if not better than Cal's teams isn't sensible, it's hypocritical.
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