I saw him have upperclassmen one time, although they were not as talented as Izzo's. That team finished 35-2 and lost in the Final 4 to some team I forget.
If Other Coaches Had the Same Talent
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I saw him have upperclassmen one time, although they were not as talented as Izzo's. That team finished 35-2 and lost in the Final 4 to some team I forget.
If Cal's players stayed 3-4 years like Izzo 's currently do, who would produce better results?
Obviously Cal, because he would have 5 stars and elite draft picks staying 3-4 years.
Same question, what if Izzo had Cal's recruits and they stayed 3-4 years. Who would do better?
In other words, who would be the better coach with the exact same talent? That's the question I'm asking.
No. I only remember the beating they gave the best college team I've ever witnessed, #1 ranking they had going into March and the Final 4 run they went on. Frankly, I couldn't a damn less about their conference.
Very different styles. Izzo's system depends on excellent execution, defense and ball care. Works best with seasoned team. Freshman are a bit chaotic. Not sure how he would do with that.
Why are you pussyfooting around? Just say you like Izzo better instead of this weak passive-aggressive BS.
I'd still think you were an idiot, but at least I'd respect you a little more.
Do you remember that one of those wins was against the team that won the title that year?
How about read the board before posting. Your late night pondering bait thread isn't original.
https://kentucky.forums.rivals.com/threads/if-other-coaches-had-the-same-talent.143009/#post-3053438
https://kentucky.forums.rivals.com/threads/if-you-gave-tom-izzo.141269/
Not to mention, it's just as stupid as it us unoriginal. Cal hasn't always had team's full of 5 stars. The man literally took UMass to #1 ranking and Final 4. I'll say it again, UMASS.
good job completely copying and plagiarizing my topic. Think originally much?
They didn't have same talent because they couldn't get it..these "what ifs" are so pointless.
If you don't like Cal, just wait it out until he leaves..let the sane people in this fan base enjoy the historic run we are on.
If you don't like Cal, just wait it out until he leaves..let the sane people in this fan base enjoy the historic run we are on.
You don't need another team to recruit like Cal to make a guess. Analyzing the performance of our freshman against their expected performance according to recruiting ranking would be a start.
It doesn't look like Coach K is having much luck this year either? No other coach in the game can get young players to buy in like Cal does. Look at LSU...they have two top players and they are getting beat by everyone who is irrelevant.
This is a hypothetical question, and we will never know the answer. What we do know is, Cal is the best recruiter in college ball. I personally think Izzo is the best coach in college ball, and as bad as I hate to say it, I think Pitino is the second best X and O coach. Before you get on my butt, I don't like Pitino, not because he left UK, but I think morals do count when coaching young men. However, I do appreciate the job he did at UK.
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Everyone can continue to get mad, but who is really the better coach with the same talent? That's the question here. I'm not baiting anything
Hey...hey buddy. Calm down. I don't think Izzo is better, necessarily. I'm wondering who would be better WITH THE SAME PLAYERS. I think that's a fair question.
Hey...hey buddy. Calm down. I don't think Izzo is better, necessarily. I'm wondering who would be better WITH THE SAME PLAYERS. I think that's a fair question.
Next year will telling because Izzo has a very good recruiting class - albeit not near our class, but still a top 4 class.
I personally think starting over each year is so much harder and takes so much more ability than having a seasoned team and sprinkling in one or two younger guys.
That being said Izzo and Cal are two of the top 5 coaches in the country in my opinion - so this entire discussion is splitting hairs.
I personally think starting over each year is so much harder and takes so much more ability than having a seasoned team and sprinkling in one or two younger guys.
That being said Izzo and Cal are two of the top 5 coaches in the country in my opinion - so this entire discussion is splitting hairs.
And you are copying another thread, mine, that already asked this, which shows your lack of integrity.
That's the thing, though. You have to come up with a "what if" to try and compare Izzo to Cal.
Guess what? Recruiting is one of the most important parts, if not the most important part of the job, and Izzo on his best day couldn't out recruit Cal. That's not Cal's fault and he shouldn't be penalized for it. Izzo has no one to blame but himself.
My answer to your question would be; tough shit for Izzo, be better at his job, and go out and recruit better talent.
Ok, but do you remember all the teams UMass played OOC that year? Probably not, so I will let you know..UK,UF,Maryland,Wake Forest,Boston College,GTech,NCSTATE,Southern Cal,Syracuse,Memphis,UL. Probably one of the most competitive OOC schedules ever.
Brian, is there ever any chance that you could be nice, instead of a horse's A$$. If you don't like the post, no one makes you respond to it. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and we don't need to call them ignorant. Where I come from, that would get someone hurt.
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But don't you think, since you say Izzo is the best coach in college basketball, that if he was ALSO the best recruiter, that he would dominate? I mean that seems logical right?
And if Cal had the 2012 team for 3 years he would have 3 titles. You can play these bullshit hypothetical games all day long and it doesn't mean anything except prove you are trolling.
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Again, this is such a lame argument that just baits people to bash Cal. People sometimes act like Cal is the only coach assessable to the top OND recruits. If Izzo or any coach wanted to go this route they easily could, but would they want to? Would they want to deal with the constant turnover and management of egos? Would Izzo allow the freshman to make mistakes, or would he quickly yank them out and put them on the bench?
Yes, Cal has had an abundance of talent here. However, he's talent has always been very young and raw. He gets these kids from AAU and hs, sometimes people act like he grabbing kids who've already been in the NBA. He's not getting these guys in the prime of their careers.
I do not believe Izzo nor any other coach would have better results than Cal. They could be comparable, but to act like Izzo would be blowing the competition away is a stretch.
Yes, Cal has had an abundance of talent here. However, he's talent has always been very young and raw. He gets these kids from AAU and hs, sometimes people act like he grabbing kids who've already been in the NBA. He's not getting these guys in the prime of their careers.
I do not believe Izzo nor any other coach would have better results than Cal. They could be comparable, but to act like Izzo would be blowing the competition away is a stretch.
No, it doesn't seem logical because it's based on a hypothetical that could never be a reality. Izzo is not the best recruiter in college basketball, nor will he ever be. So, it's actually illogical.
All Coaches have good and bad, strengths and weaknesses. None of them are perfect. One of Izzo's weaknesses is recruiting. That's no one's fault but his own.
I don't see rival fans crying for Cal about most of his guys leaving early and him having to start basically from scratch every single year, so why should UK fans sympathize over Izzo not being able to recruit better talent?
He had a roster full of 4 and 5 stars in 08 and 09. The majority were upper classmen too. How many titles did he win? In fact, Cal and Memphis B!tch slapped him in the Sweet 16 in 08 with a less talented roster top to bottom. I will forever be grateful for the beatdown he put on UL in the elite 8 in 09, though.
ukbball, that is just my opinion, and we know what they say about opinions. We know that Cal is the best recruiter in basketball, and Izzo is not even close. What I judge Izzo on is watching him compete over the years with talent that I didn't think was as good as the other team's, and win. We also have to look at the experience his teams have. I'm sure if Cal could keep most of his players more then one year, it would be a lot different. Last year was a good example.
I feel everyone on here is entitled to their opinion, and I personally don't like to see someone called ignorant because someone doesn't agree with them. We are not lemmings.
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Do you remember LAST YEAR, when Call had a couple returning players? Only an idiot would question Cal's results.
No it's not a fair question because by giving them the same exact players it's taking out one of the most important aspects of the job; recruiting.
You're completely ignoring one of Izzo's biggest weaknesses and handicapping one of Cal's biggest strengths. How is that even remotely fair?
Wait, do you know for a fact that the OP copied from your thread or do you just assume this because you cannot fathom anyone else having the same question as you? Kudo's to you for thinking of it first though.
Izzo has also had some really embarrassing FF and Championship appearances. Remember when UNC beat the snot out of them? Last year they got spanked by dUKe.
Since their Championship in 2000 Michigan St hasn't had any great success in the FF or Championship game.
1999 - Lost to Duke by 6
2000 - Beat Florida by 13 for Championship
2001 - Lost to AZ by 19
2005 - Lost to UNC by 16
2009 - Lost to UNC by 17 in Championship (Could have been much worse had UNC not put the scrubs in earlier.)
2010 - Lost to Butler by 2
2015 - Lost to Duke by 20
Is it because Izzo was a better coach or because they get a better draw on the road to the FF ?
You serious, Clark?
That MSU team didnt have a single NBA player...Memphis had Derrick Rose, CDR, and a myriad of top talents.
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