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Just a hypothetical here....

How many championships would these coaches have if they had the same players Cal has had the past 5 seasons?

Coach K
Billy Donovan
Tom Izzo
Rick Pitino
Mark Few

Would these coaches have won more championships that Cal with the same talent?
 
UKWinsAgainYep said:
Just a hypothetical here....

How many championships would these coaches have if they had the same players Cal has had the past 5 seasons?

Coach K
Billy Donovan
Tom Izzo
Rick Pitino
Mark Few

Would these coaches have won more championships that Cal with the same talent?
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No idea.
 
No. Talent alone doesn't guarantee squat when it's mostly freshmen. Pitino and Izzo would likely have disastrous records because they develop guys over three or four years. The only one who might have matched Cal's success with our guys is K and his talent has been close. None of those other guys could coach freshmen to a final 4, you're crazy.
 
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Hypothetical, @UKWinsAgainYep never posted would we ever miss him?

Football season was brutal with his Jeckyl and Hyde posts, none of which made any sense.

So glad to see that his ignorance will be flowing throughout bball season...


Didnt show up until we looked bad during football and this is his first post here...
 
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"K" is a great coach. If he had the same players at Duke, I would give the nod to his doing better...WHY?
1. Would always receive a #1 seed and play in home state.
2. Would always receive a weaker 2-3-4- seed in bracket.
3. "K" seems to have a favorable status with officials on the court.
4. Like it or not...."K" favors offense over defense.. so do most 5* OAD's.

P.S. Injuries and a 3 min mental lapse could have cost Cal & UK 2/3 titles.
 
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The same, less, or more. You can't predict based on this info. Kansas has, Duke has, Baylor has, Arizona has, unc has. Not a great amount of difference. Btw Cal is doing things with mainly Freshman that no one ever has. He shouldn't be able to win with this talent at thier age. There's no better coach. Enjoy the fun. He's already winning at a higher percentage than Rupp if I saw that stat right recently.
 
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kyboy1998 said:
If other coaches had the same inexperience

Just a hypothetical here...

How many Championships/FFs would these coaches have had if they had the same inexperience as Cal the past five seasons?

Coach K
Billy Donovan
Tom Izzo
Rick Pitino
Mark Few

Would these coaches have won as much as Cal with this inexperience?
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Good question.....I agree that Pitino would not have done better. He is too arrogant and selfish to encourage his players to chase their dreams.

I think Coach K and Billy Donovan would probably have done better in March.
 
Coach K is the best right now and his record right now, with similar talent, is the same as Cal's. Both have two losses and Cal beat him head to head. Since K really started recruiting OAD players, he has one title to Cal's one title. K couldn't get out of the first round with guys like Parker and Hood.
 
No one even stops to calculate how Vegas owns sports these days.

Just enjoy the sport and the players because frankly it's a money machine and owned.
 
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Talent and experienced talent are different things. If you get the very best they are probably going to stay only 1 year. If Cal's elite talent returned he would have 2 pr 3 championships. If Cal continues to get to the final four there will definitely be more championships. A two year rule would benefit Cal greatly. My answer to the original question is that he has done very very well and doubt many would have done better
 
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Takes more than talent to win a title. Sometimes things just have to fall into place during the tournament. If anything was proven yesterday it's the fact that you can have all of the talent in the world but it guarantees nothing. Talent is essential to win but it also takes discipline, hustle and court sense.
 
Primedfor9 said:
No. Talent alone doesn't guarantee squat when it's mostly freshmen. Pitino and Izzo would likely have disastrous records because they develop guys over three or four years. The only one who might have matched Cal's success with our guys is K and his talent has been close. None of those other guys could coach freshmen to a final 4, you're crazy.
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Which is it? So many predict 40-0, or National titles based on Cal recruiting more talent than the rest of college basketball.
This team has as much talent as any team in the top 10 easily. So where is the weak link in why they're losing games they should win. A bad game happens here and there. Nobody is perfect. When losses in games you should win start being strung together, then there must be a reason or reasons why the improvement is missing?
 
Don't know what those coaches would do, but if a coach of another school had 4,769 NBA players and only 1 title, we would eat him alive on here.

True story.
 
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PenetrateAndScore said:
Which is it? So many predict 40-0, or National titles based on Cal recruiting more talent than the rest of college basketball.
This team has as much talent as any team in the top 10 easily. So where is the weak link in why they're losing games they should win. A bad game happens here and there. Nobody is perfect. When losses in games you should win start being strung together, then there must be a reason or reasons why the improvement is missing?
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The problem appears to be that the players don't complement each other and aren't playing as a team, yet. Remember, just a year ago these guys were stars for their respective high schools and probably did what they wanted. Now, they're in a structured system and haven't responded. This demonstrates the value of experience.
 
UKWinsAgainYep said:
Good question.....I agree that Pitino would not have done better. He is too arrogant and selfish to encourage his players to chase their dreams.

I think Coach K and Billy Donovan would probably have done better in March.
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Coach K had an experienced team that had 5 lottery picks, including the overall #1 pick, yet he failed to win the title with that team. Coach K also lost in the 1st round to double digit seeds with talents such as Irving and Parker on his team. Coach K also has a team loaded with 5* talent this year and has just as many losses as Cal, one coming at the hands of Cal's team.

It's ludicrous for you to say that he would have done better because K has gone through it just like Cal, and regardless if you have the best taken or not, you still win some and you lose some. The tournament being a one and done format makes it a crap shoot. One bad game and it's over. It's happened to the best of the best, is happening to the best of the best, and will continue on happen to the best of the best.
 
UKWinsAgainYep said:
Just a hypothetical here....

How many championships would these coaches have if they had the same players Cal has had the past 5 seasons?

Coach K
Billy Donovan
Tom Izzo
Rick Pitino
Mark Few

Would these coaches have won more championships that Cal with the same talent?
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Other coaches can't assemble talent year after year.. That's what makes cal so special..
 
If Coach Cal had the same talent level as Coach K would he have lost to Lehigh or Mercer in the first weekend of the NCAAT?

If Coach Cal had the same talent/experience at his disposal as Donovan, would he have consistently lost to freshmen heavy teams like we have had during Cal's run?

If Coach Cal had the same talent/experience level as Izzo would he have failed to win a single National Championship Game since 2000?

If Coach Cal had the same talent/experience level as Pitino would he have lost to his main rival 7 times in the last six years?

If Coach Cal had the same amount of experience as Mark Few would he have failed to ever advance past the Round of 32 eleven times in the last fifteen years?

Before Coach Cal came here all people could talk about was how one and done will never win a Championship because you need experience. Then we won the 2012 NCAAT and people changed their story to "well of course Cal won, look at how talented his freshmen were!" Funny how quickly experience stopped mattering once we won a title with such a young team.
 
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UKWinsAgainYep said:
Just a hypothetical here....

How many championships would these coaches have if they had the same players Cal has had the past 5 seasons?

Coach K
Billy Donovan
Tom Izzo
Rick Pitino
Mark Few

Would these coaches have won more championships that Cal with the same talent?
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They don't have that same talent and never will. Coach K has won 5 titles in 35 years at Duke. That's one every seven years. Cal has one in his first six years at UK. It also took K 11 years to win his first title. Coach K is the only coach that can touch the success of Cal in college coaching today.
 
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irishcat1965 said:
Wrong. Only a complete moron would complain about 4 final fours in five years and title. If you fall in that category, that's your problem.
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And this is why I don't post on Rafters much anymore.

Judging Calipari's performance in a vacuum, he's been nothing short of amazing. Judging his performance in relation to what he's actually had to work with, he hasn't been as good when it counts. In the same time frame, both UConn and Duke have won multiple titles with less NBA talent, which was my point. He's had more talent in a six year time frame than anybody since Wooden. The success, though generally great, falls short of what it should be.

And if you or anyone else thinks we wouldn't call another school's coach in this same situation a choker, then you, sir, are the moron.
 
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The most talented team isn't guaranteed a championship.

The best team isn't guaranteed a championship.

In fact, the best team in a given year probably will not win the championship. This conversation is beyond silly given that fact.
 
wild mandu said:
And this is why I don't post on Rafters much anymore.

Judging Calipari's performance in a vacuum, he's been nothing short of amazing. Judging his performance in relation to what he's actually had to work with, he hasn't been as good when it counts. In the same time frame, both UConn and Duke have won multiple titles with less NBA talent, which was my point. He's had more talent in a six year time frame than anybody since Wooden. The success, though generally great, falls short of what it should be.

And if you or anyone else thinks we wouldn't call another school's coach in this same situation a choker, then you, sir, are the moron.
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It wasn't like we were the favorites all those years cal should have won one. Knight and co.had to beat a great Ohio state and UNC team.

Randle and Twins were a dumpster fire most of the year but pulled together a great run That season and tourney was so F up. No reason we or uconn should have been in championship game. But

I throw these years out because we were either lucky or had great coaching. To the people that say cal shoukda won more soon forget what got him to be coach at UK Sure she had D rose and camby. But he took two crappy programs to the final four. I actually think Cal works best under pressure and back against the wall He beat Westbrook and Love with inferior players

What's funny is when he gets talent people bitch they leave. When he gets a player that stays he underperforms we rip them a new one and they suck. Ummmmm how do you think every coach does this. If they ain't OAD how do you think they develop. We've had multiple year players since Cal had been here but when they don't all succeed as a top 5 pick we bitch and complain they are overrated.
 
UKWinsAgainYep said:
Just a hypothetical here....

How many championships would these coaches have if they had the same players Cal has had the past 5 seasons?

Coach K
Billy Donovan
Tom Izzo
Rick Pitino
Mark Few

Would these coaches have won more championships that Cal with the same talent?
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Another rerun, after every loss that Kentucky has in any sport. Some can't handle it.
 
UKWinsAgainYep said:
Just a hypothetical here....

How many championships would these coaches have if they had the same players Cal has had the past 5 seasons?

Coach K
Billy Donovan
Tom Izzo
Rick Pitino
Mark Few

Would these coaches have won more championships that Cal with the same talent?
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To answer your question..first every coach has the same opportunity to get the talent. 2. Ppl like K do have the same talent. And 3. Other coaches take longer to develop the talent. Ppl just act like we have the players at the level their at when they get drafted. A guy like Pitino gets a one and done caliber player, but turns him into a 3 yr guy.
 
If other coaches had our talent they would win championships it's a good thing they don't outside of coach K.
 
I believe since Cal got here, UL has just as many titles as we do and K has two in the same time span. I shudder to think what they would have done with even more talent.
 
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wild mandu said:
And this is why I don't post on Rafters much anymore.

Judging Calipari's performance in a vacuum, he's been nothing short of amazing. Judging his performance in relation to what he's actually had to work with, he hasn't been as good when it counts. In the same time frame, both UConn and Duke have won multiple titles with less NBA talent, which was my point. He's had more talent in a six year time frame than anybody since Wooden. The success, though generally great, falls short of what it should be.

And if you or anyone else thinks we wouldn't call another school's coach in this same situation a choker, then you, sir, are the moron.
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I do agree you shouldn't post more on here because you are completely clueless. What a ignorant post.
 
This is not a blast, but something I was actually pondering last night. If Izzo was as great of a recruiter as Cal currently is, who would produce better results? Would he be able to take all the 5 star talent and mold them into a better team than Cal can, or does Izzo need "pieces" as opposed to a bunch of 5 stars in order to have the success that he does?
 
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ukbballrulez3 said:
This is not a blast, but something I was actually pondering last night. If Izzo was as great of a recruiter as Cal currently is, who would produce better results? Would he be able to take all the 5 star talent and mold them into a better team than Cal can, or does Izzo need "pieces" as opposed to a bunch of 5 stars in order to have the success that he does?
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I don't know. Cal has sucked when not at powerhouses like UK, Memphis and UMass.
 
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wild mandu said:
Don't know what those coaches would do, but if a coach of another school had 4,769 NBA players and only 1 title, we would eat him alive on here.

True story.
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True indeed.

But of course, no one can recruit like Cal, so we'll never know. I like our odds with him at the helm, coaching deficiencies aside.
 
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