If one and done is eliminated, how will that affect UK?

[Primedfor9]

I was reading where the current collective bargaining agreement can be opted out of in 2017, some talk that college basketball could adopt the baseball model where kids have to stay three years unless they declare for the pros out of high school.

I hope it stays as it is but it seems like the NCAA wants to get rid of the one and done. I'm just wondering if they did change it up, how do you think cal and UK would go forward here? Would he still recruit the same guys? It would seem like certain players like Monk and Adebayo would be more likely to stay home knowing they would be in school three years if they didn't turn pro. Just wondering what your thoughts are on this.

 

[joeky2]

NCAA has nothing to do with it. It all rest with the NBA.

 

[UKWildcats#8]

Coach Cal would continue to dominate and UK would win a lot of national titles.

 

[SpamburgerHamburger]

Cal will still recruit the best players he can. If the baseball model is adopted, you might see the top guys more spread out for playing time if the previous year or 2 of top guys are still going to be ahead of them.

 

[KY Long Rifle]

I would love to see the NBA require two years removed from high school before being draft eligible. Here's the problem for college basketball; at some point, some arbitrary length of time, it will become more enticing for players to go to the D-league or Europe. Having to wait one year doesn't bother most of these guys, but two years might be enough to push some of them to skip college for a paycheck.

 

[Primedfor9]

NCAA has nothing to do with it. It all rest with the NBA.

Do you know if theres any reason the NBA would want to change it? It seems like a good system for them, I don't see why they would want to. The articles I was reading were from about a year ago and only got feedback from the NCAA and college coaches. Pitino being one against the current rule of course.

 

[JeffGoodmansVestigialTwin]

Yeah this is a non-issue. The only reason it exists is due to NBA age restrictions which is never going to go down.

 

[MdWIldcat55]

Ask which program has consistently been at or very near the peak in college basketball since World War II. Upon pondering that question, the answer to your query will be revealed to you.

 

[mebeblue2]

the baseball model is never going to happen

the NBA owners want a TAD rule but so far the players union has rejected it

 

[KentuckyRLD]

I really don't understand why so many people complain about the current status of college basketball. It is no different now than it has ever been. Each coach recruits the best players he can find and they play the games. It has always been that way. Yes, we do see a few players each year turn pro before their expected graduation time. However, that is a great thing for the players as long as they have sense enough not to leave unless they are certain to be drafted. I personally think the system works very well and would hate to see anything done to change it.

 

[wcc31]

The NBA isn't going back to kids jumping straight from HS. Never ever ever. I guess 2AD is a possibility but it will probably just stay the same.

Anyway- no matter what, Cal is still the best salesman in CBB and at UK, so we'll be great regardless.

 

[JonathanW]

I like the baseball model. BUT, MLB has the minor league system, and for 99%+ of the players, they need time to develop their skills in the minors. Baseball is the most skill intensive of the big 3 sports, basketball is more athleticism based (although not as much as football), and so basketball players need less time to develop their skills, and more are "ready" coming out of high school. The NBA does now have the d-league, but it's not as developed or proven successful as MLB minor league system. Nor is the d-league as accepted by young players.

But if the NBA started something like what MLB does, then I see many of the top 20 players still committing to schools, just in case, but maybe only 15 of them actually putting themselves in the draft. So it would be speculatory as to which few go to school. And then the top schools such as UK would be fighting over the top few they think might go to school, and the best of that 2nd tier (#20 to #40). You have to think Cal would be pretty successful in recruiting those as well (although possibly not as successful as he has been), with top 5 classes in most years. He would have to be more selective, since instead of 6-7 openings each year, he might only have 3-4.

I think the NCAA though does have one BIG change they could make. And that would be to allow players to be drafted and still come to college. That is how it works for MLB, where their draft is in June, a player then can choose to go to the minors or enroll at school knowing what team and draft position he is giving up. Allowing the young-person to make a "more-informed choice". If the NCAA allowed that in basketball, then I would expect coaches like Cal would fill maybe 11 spots with returning players and new recruits they know aren't going pro, and hold a couple of spots open for committed or uncommitted recruits who would decide after seeing where they got drafted. But that would put more risk on NBA execs than they probably want (not wanting to draft a kid late in the 1st round only to see him go to college instead). Regardless of the system, I think Cal has figured out how to manage the rules such that he maximizes the talent on his teams most seasons while playing WITHIN the RULES, and so I think that would continue.

 

[SilentsAreGolden]

NBA has shown zero inclination they would get rid of the rule.

 

[docholiday51]

The NBA isn't going back to kids jumping straight from HS. Never ever ever. I guess 2AD is a possibility but it will probably just stay the same.

Anyway- no matter what, Cal is still the best salesman in CBB and at UK, so we'll be great regardless.

But if they went to 2 and done we would beat the $%!^ out of everybody.....just sayin

 

[weatherbird]

I would love to see the NBA require two years removed from high school before being draft eligible. Here's the problem for college basketball; at some point, some arbitrary length of time, it will become more enticing for players to go to the D-league or Europe. Having to wait one year doesn't bother most of these guys, but two years might be enough to push some of them to skip college for a paycheck.

I don't think this will happen as much as people may think. While some will probably take this route, most probably will not, for the very same reason they don't now. Now, I could see players going the D-League route, if the pay increased significantly, along with the exposure. I don't see Europe ever being that much of an option for most, because you lose exposure, and if you have to stay two years, it will have the same affect as staying 2 years in college does. With each year removed from high school, the draft becomes less about potential and more about production. Quite honestly, you would have a better chance at getting noticed for your production against college players than you would against grown men in Europe.

 

[kyjeff1]

Players like Skal are the reason the NBA has the current rules in place.
However, if it changed to a 2 or 3 year plan you would see UK 2014/15 over and over snd over again. Give Calipari an experienced team every year and it's over. I think he would live longer if that happened.

 

[bthaunert]

I really don't understand why so many people complain about the current status of college basketball. It is no different now than it has ever been. Each coach recruits the best players he can find and they play the games. It has always been that way. Yes, we do see a few players each year turn pro before their expected graduation time. However, that is a great thing for the players as long as they have sense enough not to leave unless they are certain to be drafted. I personally think the system works very well and would hate to see anything done to change it.

College basketball is so watered down compared to 20 - 25 years ago and it's not even close. Guys leaving early for the NBA has effected the quality of the college game a ton.

 

[Chuckinden]

IMO, if they eliminated the OAD, college basketball would even more enjoyable to watch. I hate having a new team every year.

 

[bucsrule8872]

Best case scenario for college bball fans is TAD, IMHO.

No way the NBA ever goes the baseball route.

TAD would be ideal, IMHO. Cal would have to modify his recruiting a bit, but I think he would be fine.

This year, if we had that rule, we would probably have this starting lineup:

G Ulis
G Booker
F Poythress
F Lyles
F Towns

Of course, other teams would have Sophs back, like Duke (who would be favored to repeat):

G Jones
G Allen
G Jones
F Winslow
F Okafor

 

[Ben101er]

I think that it would kill us. Can you imagine having to keep kids like Anthony Davis and KAT for two or three years?

 

[bucsrule8872]

I hate you.

LOL!

 

[SilentsAreGolden]

College basketball is so watered down compared to 20 - 25 years ago and it's not even close. Guys leaving early for the NBA has effected the quality of the college game a ton.

Yep, imagine the teams we could have had if all of Cal's players stayed 4 yrs. Of course some of them wouldn't have come, but Wall, Cousins and Bledsoe would be together 4 yrs. Davis, Teague, Lamb and Gilchrist. Come on.

 

[.S&C.]

Actually, it would negatively effect his current recruiting model. We would keep players longer, but there's no guarantee from class to class which players you'd want to be here longer. Also, it creates competition. Just a small example:

2AD comes into effect in 2010. Brandon knight is at Florida. It creates competition where it doesn't have to be.

Many of our blue chips would end up at Duke,UNC, Kansas, even Louisville.

I'd rather get them for a year and keep them off of other rosters.

 

[bthaunert]

Yep, imagine the teams we could have had if all of Cal's players stayed 4 yrs. Of course some of them wouldn't have come, but Wall, Cousins and Bledsoe would be together 4 yrs. Davis, Teague, Lamb and Gilchrist. Come on.

Agree. If you look back at the 90's, take a look at these guys who were All-Americans, and what year they were in college:

Alonzo Mourning - Senior
Shaquille O'Neal - Junior
Larry Johnson - Junior
Gary Payton - Senior
Penny Hardaway - Junior
Jamal Mashburn - Junior
Grant Hill - Senior
Glenn Robinson - Junior
Ray Allen - Junior
Tim Duncan - Senior
Paul Peirce - Junior

Now compare that to all the juniors and seniors over the past 5 years who have made 1st team all american:

Willie Cauley-Stein - Junior
Jerian Grant - Senior
Frank Kaminsky - Senior
Nick Johnson - Junior
Doug McDermott - Senior
Shabbazz Napier - Senior
Russ Smith - Senior
Victor Oladipo - Junior
Kelly Olynyk - Junior
Draymond Green - Senior
Thomas Robinson - Junior
Jimmer Fredette - Senior
JuJuan Johnson - Senior
Nolan Smith - Senior
Kemba Walker - Junior

It's laughable how bad college basketball is now. Not saying I blame the guys for leaving, just saying the quality of the game has suffered drastically.

 

[.S&C.]

IMO, if they eliminated the OAD, college basketball would even more enjoyable to watch. I hate having a new team every year.

Hard rememeber all those names the older you get amirite?

My father hates having to learn players names every year.

 

[.S&C.]

Agree. If you look back at the 90's, take a look at these guys who were All-Americans, and what year they were in college:

Alonzo Mourning - Senior
Shaquille O'Neal - Junior
Larry Johnson - Junior
Gary Payton - Senior
Penny Hardaway - Junior
Jamal Mashburn - Junior
Grant Hill - Senior
Glenn Robinson - Junior
Ray Allen - Junior
Tim Duncan - Senior
Paul Peirce - Junior

Now compare that to all the juniors and seniors over the past 5 years who have made 1st team all american:

Willie Cauley-Stein - Junior
Jerian Grant - Senior
Frank Kaminsky - Senior
Nick Johnson - Junior
Doug McDermott - Senior
Shabbazz Napier - Senior
Russ Smith - Senior
Victor Oladipo - Junior
Kelly Olynyk - Junior
Draymond Green - Senior
Thomas Robinson - Junior
Jimmer Fredette - Senior
JuJuan Johnson - Senior
Nolan Smith - Senior
Kemba Walker - Junior

It's laughable how bad college basketball is now. Not saying I blame the guys for leaving, just saying the quality of the game has suffered drastically.

That's true, but it's not the question. He asked how it would effect UK. My point was it would take Caliapri's best recruiting tool away, and even-out the score. I'd rather it not while Calipari is coaching here. I Wouldn't change anything.

You're right about the game.

 

[bucsrule8872]

If the baseball rule was in place, we would not have Labissiere or Murray most likely.

We probably have a Sophomore Booker (he would not have jumped straight out of HS, so he would have to stay three years).

So our starters this year would probably look like this:

G Ulis
G Briscoe
G Booker
F Poythress
F Lee

Next year, we would have some guys back and guys like Fox, Monk, and Adebayo would not be on campus:

G Ulis
G Briscoe
G Booker
F Gabriel
F Lee

Then we would be needing a strong Freshman class the next season to go with Briscoe, Gabriel, and SKJ.

Probably means having a down season every couple of years if the staff didn't think a few years ahead when recruiting.

 

[bthaunert]

That's true, but it's not the question. He asked how it would effect UK. My point was it would take Caliapri's best recruiting tool away, and even-out the score. I'd rather it not while Calipari is coaching here. I Wouldn't change anything.

You're right about the game.

Yeah, I was originally responding to a poster in here talking specifically about the game and how it hasn't changed much.

As for the question at hand, I would love for the NBA to adopt the following (and college basketball allow players to keep eligibility in the process):

1. Have a similar rule as MLB, but 2 years instead of 3. High school kids can go straight to the draft. If they do not go in to the draft, they have to wait two years after their high school class graduates to enter the draft.
2. The NBA holds an invite only prospect camp in early to mid April for high school seniors and college sophomores. If you're not invited, you get the hint that NBA teams don't feel like you're ready. Based off your performance and other factors, you're given a general "grade" that can guide you to a decision.

 

[MegaBlue05]

We'd get the best players every 2 years and own people when those kids were all sophs.

 

[manu1433]

The NBA won't adopt baseball's model

A) They don't want players in college for 3 years

B) They want to avoid as much risk as possible

 

[KnowsAllTellsAll]

It would spread the top talent more evenly amongst a handful of teams. Teams would have to be more selective too, as not all "one-and-dones" are equal, and you might end up with a player that ends up playing 4 years, diluting the ability to recruit a true "one-and-done" and overall team talent.

 

[bucsrule8872]

We'd get the best players every 2 years and own people when those kids were all sophs.

Cal would have to plan for two years in order to keep us from having those down years.

He would need to stagger the classes. No more monster six or seven superstar classes, instead get three or four studs a year.

Something like Fox, Monk, Adebayo, and Gabriel to go with Murray, Briscoe, Labissiere, and Matthews coming back.

Then Vanderbilt, Ayton, and Young coming in with Fox, Monk, Gabriel, Adebayo, and Matthews back.

That would keep us in contention every year with a TAD rule.

 

[BigRedMachineBigBlueNation]

It would spread the top talent more evenly amongst a handful of teams. Teams would have to be more selective too, as not all "one-and-dones" are equal, and you might end up with a player that ends up playing 4 years, diluting the ability to recruit a true "one-and-done" and overall team talent.

How is that a good thing
Seems to me the only thing the baseball rule will do is water the talent down even more.

 

[gossie21]

the baseball model is never going to happen

the NBA owners want a TAD rule but so far the players union has rejected it

Easy way to get this done is to offer to stop drug testing for marijuana in exchange for a 2AD system. The owners could dangle that offer and get just about anything they want.

 

[Untouchables22]

Quick recap: The NBA and Adam Silver want 2 years to protect team's from themselves and try to avoid as many top 10 busts as possible by allowing a longer player evaluation window. However the Player's Associations is really run by the player's agents who under no circumstances want the year to be stretched any longer in fear of a player's third major contract being shortened and generating less revenue for them. Any and all CBA negotiations are extremely contentious and it's highly likely that there will be no change in the rule because the NBA isn't really willing to give up anything important to the players in order to get the rule stretched to 2 years as it's not as important to them as say the overall league wide revenue split percentage between owners and players.

 

[Primedfor9]

My thought about recruiting and why I mentioned the two players I did was that it seems like the only guys cal wouldn't be able to get as much besides the ones who turn pro would be those who are leaning toward staying in state that he flips like Bam, and guys like Monk and Goodwin who have a lot of pressure to stay home.

 

[KY Long Rifle]

I don't think this will happen as much as people may think. While some will probably take this route, most probably will not, for the very same reason they don't now. Now, I could see players going the D-League route, if the pay increased significantly, along with the exposure. I don't see Europe ever being that much of an option for most, because you lose exposure, and if you have to stay two years, it will have the same affect as staying 2 years in college does. With each year removed from high school, the draft becomes less about potential and more about production. Quite honestly, you would have a better chance at getting noticed for your production against college players than you would against grown men in Europe.

I agree, to an extent, but if the top players started heading off to the D-league, the exposure could shift away from college basketball. Maybe two years isn't enough to cause this to happen, but it is an uncertainty that concerns me.

 

[.S&C.]

It would spread the top talent more evenly amongst a handful of teams. Teams would have to be more selective too, as not all "one-and-dones" are equal, and you might end up with a player that ends up playing 4 years, diluting the ability to recruit a true "one-and-done" and overall team talent.

First time I've ever agreed with you & probably the last.

There's no reason for a UK fan to want this rule gone. UK (and Duke of late) are on two difference levels of recruiting. cal owns the OAD game. There's no need to spread all those top 25 out to other teams. It sounds great in theory but when you break it down, for a UK fan with Calipari, hell no.

Kansas, Lousville, UNC, etc would love to see Cals best recruiting tool gone.

 

[MrHotDice]

Just get the NCAA out of the process. Why should anyone declare for the draft? If you are picked and you want to play then go but allow kids to return to college if they are not drafted. Simple

 

[BigRedMachineBigBlueNation]

Half the time people say they want the one and done gone I can't help but think they are angry and jealous their team can't recruit like UK or Duke.