I really can't stand this mindset

[CaptainBoogerBuns]

The Elephant in the Room: our NIL donations need to step it up.

Not a popular opinion bc football is king…but I’d rather go all in on maintaining the basketball superiority as the greatest program in history then to try to luck into a good season every 10 years in football just to make the 16 team field and get beat in the first or 2nd game. Try to do...

kentucky.forums.rivals.com

We lose a basketball game, and these "fans" use it as aan opportunity to bash football. This Son of Saul guy takes the cake.

NIL, as much as I hate it, is for real and we need money spent on our biggest money maker

 

[R.O.T.Muckinfush]

I think if basketball keeps losing it's probably good for the fb program. Having both the major players failing would send Barney packing and that is a positive.

 

[CaptainBoogerBuns]

As long as we're running a clean program overall, I don't see Barnhart going anywhere unless he retires.

 

[Deeeefense]

You have 85 scholarships to fund in football not considering any payments you might make to PWOs, you have about 12 in basketball. It really shouldn't be that hard to get what you need for the basketball program, the previous coach certainly didn't have problems getting elite players. The problem with basketball is not NIL it's one and done. You pay for top talent and what does it get you? talented but inexperienced players that look great most of the time but can't stand up in a tourney.

The SEC is a football conference, if your not prioritizing football you're going to get labeled as a loser program and laughed out throughout the conference. Basketball does not need to leach from football to succeed and trying to blame football for any inadequacies in basketball is short sighted and petty IMO

 

[TuckyFB]

Classic. Why does the Football program need to get blamed everytime the basketball team loses? It's so bizarre.

 

[CaptainBoogerBuns]

You have 85 scholarships to fund in football not considering any payments you might make to PWOs, you have about 12 in basketball. It really shouldn't be that hard to get what you need for the basketball program, the previous coach certainly didn't have problems getting elite players. The problem with basketball is not NIL it's one and done. You pay for top talent and what does it get you? talented but inexperienced players that look great most of the time but can't stand up in a tourney.

The SEC is a football conference, if you not prioritizing football you're going to get labeled as a loser program and laughed out throughout the conference. Basketball does not need to leach from football to succeed and trying to blame football for any inadequacies in basketball is short sighted and petty IMO

I'm hoping that guys mindset isn't pervasive over there. BOT attitudes like that are why we've been so bad.

 

[CaptainBoogerBuns]

Classic. Why does the Football program need to get blamed everytime the basketball loses? It's so bizarre.

There's a handful of those posters I never want to see on the Lair.

 

[TuckyFB]

There's a handful of those posters I never want to see on the Lair.

Well, half of them won't come over here because they're usually cheering for an entire different team during football season.

 

[EliteBlue]

Tag me if you want to call it out.

I’ve been on this board for 20 years. I post religiously during football season as well . I walked on at UK for football and was a practice dummy for a season. I’ve given sweat to the program. It’s why I said I know it isn’t a popular opinion.

Facts are facts. In this new age (as it is currently not considering any future salary cap type changes), hard decisions are going to have to be made by small market programs if you don’t have a mega donor base. We can be average in both and hope to maintain top 30 in both sports or we can put an emphasis on our traditionally superior program that is the University’s flagship, that is the more affordable sport due to less roster positions which means the smaller pot of money goes further and is easier for a small market/donor base to keep up w the big money schools.

Nobody is claiming to want to bankrupt the football program. But we can maintain our 7-8 wins which is over achieving historically and still hope for a “everything clicks” season once in awhile with the right systems and player development (Josh Allen, Cobb, CRod, Benny Snell etc were all developed 3 star types)…we aren’t going to outbid the historical powerhouses in our league anyways…not enough to build a whole 2 deep roster at the level to become a football power.

So unless you’d rather be a 10-25 program in football and get outbid for the top recruits in basketball by Carolina, Kansas, Duke, etc when 2-3 guys can be the difference in a title team or just a solid top 25 E8 program. Then that’s your prerogative. I’d rather make sure the sport we’ve historically been on top of is still the pinnacle and can financially compete with anyone and then make sure football is adequately competitive as well. It essentially comes down to where you want to move an additional 5-10% that’s earmarked football over to basketball rn. Not half the budget or something crazy

 

[EliteBlue]

Well, half of them won't come over here because they're usually cheering for an entire different team during football season.

You mean cheering for the sports that are currently in season being played by the University they support while keeping tabs on recruiting or the minimal off-season headlines for the out of season sport ? Yeah, that’s pretty standard

 

[EliteBlue]

Classic. Why does the Football program need to get blamed everytime the basketball team loses? It's so bizarre.

No one is blaming it. Finds aren't unlimited. It’s about prioritization and allocation.

If we weren’t historically a top 3 program in basketball then it’s an entirely different convo and a no brainer to follow suit and have the college athletic industry standard ration between the sports. But we are a top 3 team and if you want to maintain that then you have to make sure the program can win any bidding war they choose to fully engage in first and foremost. We are talking the difference of 5ish% of the budget flip flopping.

 

[Deeeefense]

Tag me if you want to call it out.

I’ve been on this board for 20 years. I post religiously during football season as well . I walked on at UK for football and was a practice dummy for a season. I’ve given sweat to the program. It’s why I said I know it isn’t a popular opinion.

Facts are facts. In this new age (as it is currently not considering any future salary cap type changes), hard decisions are going to have to be made by small market programs if you don’t have a mega donor base. We can be average in both and hope to maintain top 30 in both sports or we can put an emphasis on our traditionally superior program that is the University’s flagship, that is the more affordable sport due to less roster positions which means the smaller pot of money goes further and is easier for a small market/donor base to keep up w the big money schools.

Nobody is claiming to want to bankrupt the football program. But we can maintain our 7-8 wins which is over achieving historically and still hope for a “everything clicks” season once in awhile with the right systems and player development (Josh Allen, Cobb, CRod, Benny Snell etc were all developed 3 star types)…we aren’t going to outbid the historical powerhouses in our league anyways…not enough to build a whole 2 deep roster at the level to become a football power.

So unless you’d rather be a 10-25 program in football and get outbid for the top recruits in basketball by Carolina, Kansas, Duke, etc when 2-3 guys can be the difference in a title team or just a solid top 25 E8 program. Then that’s your prerogative. I’d rather make sure the sport we’ve historically been on top of is still the pinnacle and can financially compete with anyone and then make sure football is adequately competitive as well. It essentially comes down to where you want to move an additional 5-10% that’s earmarked football over to basketball rn. Not half the budget or something crazy

Then leave the SEC and join some weakass conference and let Gonzaga, St. Bonaventure and Bradley become your rival games instead of Florida, South Carolina and Tennessee, because if that's your attitude you're a joke program to the other 15 teams in the SEC

 

[Deeeefense]

No one is blaming it. Finds aren't unlimited. It’s about prioritization and allocation.

If we weren’t historically a top 3 program in basketball then it’s an entirely different convo and a no brainer to follow suit and have the college athletic industry standard ration between the sports. But we are a top 3 team and if you want to maintain that then you have to make sure the program can win any bidding war they choose to fully engage in first and foremost. We are talking the difference of 5ish% of the budget flip flopping.

If that becomes the MO then Kroger stadium will become a ghost town, no one will even care to watch UK on TV. Lost revenue will be in the 10s if not 100s of millions to the athletics department. We'll see how good basketball does then.

 

[CaptainBoogerBuns]

No one is blaming it. Finds aren't unlimited. It’s about prioritization and allocation.

If we weren’t historically a top 3 program in basketball then it’s an entirely different convo and a no brainer to follow suit and have the college athletic industry standard ration between the sports. But we are a top 3 team and if you want to maintain that then you have to make sure the program can win any bidding war they choose to fully engage in first and foremost. We are talking the difference of 5ish% of the budget flip flopping.

No one is saying star basketball. The basketball wants to go out and start a massive and IL fund and go for it. I just wanna make sure any NILI contribute doesn't go to basketball but my main sport of football

 

[ukalum1988]

The Elephant in the Room: our NIL donations need to step it up.

Not a popular opinion bc football is king…but I’d rather go all in on maintaining the basketball superiority as the greatest program in history then to try to luck into a good season every 10 years in football just to make the 16 team field and get beat in the first or 2nd game. Try to do...

kentucky.forums.rivals.com

We lose a basketball game, and these "fans" use it as aan opportunity to bash football. This Son of Saul guy takes the cake.

NIL, as much as I hate it, is for real and we need money spent on our biggest money maker

Haven’t read through the thread yet….. but I’ll simply say we have some horrible Basketball-first fans. It’s the main reason I post relatively little on Rafters.

 

[CaptainBoogerBuns]

Haven’t read through the thread yet….. but I’ll simply say we have some horrible Basketball-first fans. It’s the main reason I post relatively little on Rafters.

Haven’t read through the thread yet….. but I’ll simply say we have some horrible Basketball-first fans. It’s the main reason I post relatively little on Rafters.

Oh they post on game threads here when we're losing. Son of Saul, that NOCIHttp chick has as well. When we turn a game around and start winning, they disappear .

 

[sieken]

No one is blaming it. Finds aren't unlimited. It’s about prioritization and allocation.

If we weren’t historically a top 3 program in basketball then it’s an entirely different convo and a no brainer to follow suit and have the college athletic industry standard ration between the sports. But we are a top 3 team and if you want to maintain that then you have to make sure the program can win any bidding war they choose to fully engage in first and foremost. We are talking the difference of 5ish% of the budget flip flopping.

Basketball is a dying sport IMO, another 10 years it will be the equivalent of a Olympic Sport as far as fan support/participation. As stated above, one and done has really put a hurting on college basketball. I wouldn't dedicate anymore than what is being allocated now towards basketball.

 

[Girthang]

The Elephant in the Room: our NIL donations need to step it up.

Not a popular opinion bc football is king…but I’d rather go all in on maintaining the basketball superiority as the greatest program in history then to try to luck into a good season every 10 years in football just to make the 16 team field and get beat in the first or 2nd game. Try to do...

kentucky.forums.rivals.com

We lose a basketball game, and these "fans" use it as aan opportunity to bash football. This Son of Saul guy takes the cake.

NIL, as much as I hate it, is for real and we need money spent on our biggest money maker

Ssdy
They're weak azz "fans" who don't understand football. It's been made plain every year. They don't even get how snobby and sad they are. Imagine how petulant and whiney they'd be right now about football if basketball hadn't won any titles under Cal, or if Pope's team hadn't played so well at times this year...

Thin-skinned and projecting your basketball woes onto football is no way to go through life

 

[Girthang]

If that becomes the MO then Kroger stadium will become a ghost town, no one will even care to watch UK on TV. Lost revenue will be in the 10s if not 100s of millions to the athletics department. We'll see how good basketball does then.

Yep. Someone has to pay for everything else so basketball can still afford diapers and pacis.

 

[billoliver40]

It is a complex issue, but other SEC teams seem to be handling the balancing act well. Auburn, Alabama, Tennessee and the Mississippi schools are definitely not shortchanging one sport for the other. Kentucky should not either.

The inherit unbalance in NIL is purely numbers.
85 vs 15. Simple. At issue is who the contributors are willing to give monies to.
The most essential part of a football offense at every level: the line. The least recognized or paid: you got it.

Donator to basketball are not as often donator to football, so any idea of robbing Peter to pay Paul is irrelevant.

For tru parties sake, football and basketball should operate using the pro guideline which starts and ends with the salary cap. Players should also receive NIL based on performance, not projection. No player should receive a dime other than withdrawal against projected base salary until season end.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

It is a complex issue, but other SEC teams seem to be handling the balancing act well. Auburn, Alabama, Tennessee and the Mississippi schools are definitely not shortchanging one sport for the other. Kentucky should not either.

The inherit unbalance in NIL is purely numbers.
85 vs 15. Simple. At issue is who the contributors are willing to give monies to.
The most essential part of a football offense at every level: the line. The least recognized or paid: you got it.

Donator to basketball are not as often donator to football, so any idea of robbing Peter to pay Paul is irrelevant.

For tru parties sake, football and basketball should operate using the pro guideline which starts and ends with the salary cap. Players should also receive NIL based on performance, not projection. No player should receive a dime other than withdrawal against projected base salary until season end.

I think what you are saying was the intent, then a couple of schools took it to induce player to come to their school and we now have this mess. Thanks vols and ATM.

 

[CaptainBoogerBuns]

You mean cheering for the sports that are currently in season being played by the University they support while keeping tabs on recruiting or the minimal off-season headlines for the out of season sport ? Yeah, that’s pretty standard

Yeah like tOSU or Alabama?

 

[dvillecatfan]

Basketball board different...mad over a T-shirt. 150+ comments over a T-shirt...not a uniform, but a T-shirt...they talking bout a T-shirt.

 

[billoliver40]

Basketball board different...mad over a T-shirt. 150+ comments over a T-shirt...not a uniform, but a T-shirt...they talking bout a T-shirt.

You know that is absolutely a fair statement.
Just to point out there's only a dozen basketball players to ride herd on but I've yet to see reports of any of them getting an ice cream while the game was on...even if in a T shirt and street clothes.

 

[truebluewildcat]

Football doesn’t affect basketball and vice versa.

Coaching hires, staffing, talent evaluation, development, style/scheme, Xs Os…adapting/evolving with modern times…or lack thereof do.

Historically UK has made better decisions in basketball.

Not many programs would let HOF title winning coaches walk. We do.

Not many decent let alone great football programs let .500 coaches hang around. We do.

 

[sieken]

Football doesn’t affect basketball and vice versa.

Coaching hires, staffing, talent evaluation, development, style/scheme, Xs Os…adapting/evolving with modern times…or lack thereof do.

Historically UK has made better decisions in basketball.

Not many programs would let HOF title winning coaches walk. We do.

Not many decent let alone great football programs let .500 coaches hang around. We do.

I don’t disagree. I would only add, raising the floor of expectations and becoming more than a doormat is important to the longevity of football as well. Stoops has done that over his tenure here, thus the loyalty from MB.

 

[satcheluk]

The Elephant in the Room: our NIL donations need to step it up.

Not a popular opinion bc football is king…but I’d rather go all in on maintaining the basketball superiority as the greatest program in history then to try to luck into a good season every 10 years in football just to make the 16 team field and get beat in the first or 2nd game. Try to do...

kentucky.forums.rivals.com

We lose a basketball game, and these "fans" use it as aan opportunity to bash football. This Son of Saul guy takes the cake.

NIL, as much as I hate it, is for real and we need money spent on our biggest money maker

Thanks for the update. If you hadn't posted it here, I never would have seen it. It's funny because I love our basketball team, but I don't really love the sport enough to watch other teams. I watch every UK game, go to every Final Four and some of the showcase classics in the fall and I watch 90% of all games in the tournament, but I can't remember how many years it has been since I've consumed a basketball article or message board post. I don't even go to House of Blue because I find so many basketball only fans who are idiots to communicate with, so I choose to avoid contact. Football is the best sport on earth and I will happily go to random HS games and KY is probably the only state in the US that has more basketball fans the football. It's an aberration that is hard to comprehend.

 

[satcheluk]

Tag me if you want to call it out.

I’ve been on this board for 20 years. I post religiously during football season as well . I walked on at UK for football and was a practice dummy for a season. I’ve given sweat to the program. It’s why I said I know it isn’t a popular opinion.

Facts are facts. In this new age (as it is currently not considering any future salary cap type changes), hard decisions are going to have to be made by small market programs if you don’t have a mega donor base. We can be average in both and hope to maintain top 30 in both sports or we can put an emphasis on our traditionally superior program that is the University’s flagship, that is the more affordable sport due to less roster positions which means the smaller pot of money goes further and is easier for a small market/donor base to keep up w the big money schools.

Nobody is claiming to want to bankrupt the football program. But we can maintain our 7-8 wins which is over achieving historically and still hope for a “everything clicks” season once in awhile with the right systems and player development (Josh Allen, Cobb, CRod, Benny Snell etc were all developed 3 star types)…we aren’t going to outbid the historical powerhouses in our league anyways…not enough to build a whole 2 deep roster at the level to become a football power.

So unless you’d rather be a 10-25 program in football and get outbid for the top recruits in basketball by Carolina, Kansas, Duke, etc when 2-3 guys can be the difference in a title team or just a solid top 25 E8 program. Then that’s your prerogative. I’d rather make sure the sport we’ve historically been on top of is still the pinnacle and can financially compete with anyone and then make sure football is adequately competitive as well. It essentially comes down to where you want to move an additional 5-10% that’s earmarked football over to basketball rn. Not half the budget or something crazy

False premise. The basketball NIL is a few million. Take out the BYU aberration and the top teams are spending about $3mm(P5 avg is less than $1mm total for the entire team!) for their entire team and basketball players avg about 40% more in NIL pay than football players even with that discrepancy. Plus the way Pope recruits, he will not be loading up on 1 and done high paid mercenaries. Football pays the bills for every team other than MBB, so let MBB feed itself and invest in football like it's the daddy, which it is.

 

[Cat_Man_Blue]

Thanks for the update. If you hadn't posted it here, I never would have seen it. It's funny because I love our basketball team, but I don't really love the sport. I watch every UK game, go to every Final Four and some of the showcase classics in the fall and I watch 90% of all games in the tournament, but I can't remember how many years it has been since I've consumed a basketball article or message board post. I don't even go to House of Blue because I find so many basketball only fans who are idiots to communicate with, so I choose to avoid contact. Football is the best sport on earth and I will happily go to random HS games and KY is probably the only state in the US that has more basketball fans the football. It's an aberration that is hard to comprehend.

I feel the same way. I can watch a college football game that UK is not playing in, but I won't watch a basketball game that UK is not playing in. I enjoy watchin UK basketball, but if UK hadn't been so good over the years I probably wouldn't have got into basketball at all

When I give to NIL, I direct the funds to go to football only. It's not that I don't want UK basketball do well, I just feel that football needs all the help it can get.

 

[bthaunert]

Football doesn’t affect basketball and vice versa.

Coaching hires, staffing, talent evaluation, development, style/scheme, Xs Os…adapting/evolving with modern times…or lack thereof do.

Historically UK has made better decisions in basketball.

Not many programs would let HOF title winning coaches walk. We do.

Not many decent let alone great football programs let .500 coaches hang around. We do.

I would have agreed with your first sentence previously, but with a smaller donor base than a lot of P4 programs, where the NIL money is directed will 100% have an impact on both programs. Stoops was able to pull in some donors who traditionally gave more to basketball, because of his personal approach and Cal alienating himself from some of them. Now that Pope is on board, that relationship with the donors will be very strong imo. I think it could potentially impact where some of the NIL money is focused, which could positively impact one program for the detriment of the other.