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I Have to Give Credit to All the Negative Posters!!

-KY has an 8% African American population. Mississippi has a 38% African American population.

^won't go in to why it matters..
But if you look at d1 cfb and NFL demographics, it matters.
UK at one time could only recruit Kentucky kids I think , but that was a long time ago. Go out 500 miles.
 
-Stoops has had two 10 win seasons.

-Hows Vandy doing now? It was a magical two year stretch. A little too much rape for me...but whatevs.

-yep 10-3...followed by 8-5, having a good year this year. Should we compare UK's recruiting base/historical investment in football to that of Ole Miss?

-listen... I'm all for you guys getting into your feelings and crying on a message board, it's what fans do.

^I get down a bit when the cats lose. But I like to deal in numbers/facts. To each their own.

-yes you may keep going if you wish.
You're moving the goalposts. I simply answered your absurd question. You tried to dismiss my evidence. Logical fallacy, bruh.
 
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UK at one time could only recruit Kentucky kids I think , but that was a long time ago. Go out 500 miles.


-uk does...and Ohio helps. But if you go 500 miles from Oxford the AA population % is significantly greater than 500 miles from Lexington. Is what it is.

^also, the further you get away from campus the competition increases.
 
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-I somehow missed this nugget the first time.

Uga has one the last 2 natty's. In 22 uk played them tighter than everyone but ohio st. did in the semifinal. In 21 uk played them closer than everyone but clemson(they used to be pretty good)... and Bama went 1-1 with them...hammered them in the sec final and lost by 3 fewer points in the national championship than uk did.

^that's "competing".

-also uk smoked lsu last time they played, c'mon man.

Why do people keep ignoring the Missouri uga game from 2022? Missouri played Georgia much closer than UK did last season.

Again, otherwise I agree. Lol promise I'm not picking at u.

And yeah, beating lsu 42 to 21 a mere 2 years ago is not a game UK fans should claim to not remember.
 
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He also only coached for half the time and didn’t have near the resources that Stoops has been given.
And also inherited a crippling probation. Looking back, it’s kind of amazing what Brooks did at UK. And that’s when Florida was rolling just like Georgia is now. He had the biggest win of my lifetime if a fan of over 40 years… LSU 2007

And he did it with terrible facilities.
 
-I somehow missed this nugget the first time.

Uga has one the last 2 natty's. In 22 uk played them tighter than everyone but ohio st. did in the semifinal. In 21 uk played them closer than everyone but clemson(they used to be pretty good)... and Bama went 1-1 with them...hammered them in the sec final and lost by 3 fewer points in the national championship than uk did.

^that's "competing".

-also uk smoked lsu last time they played, c'mon man.
Oh you’re talking about the 6-7 LSU team who fired their head coach like in the middle of the season? Don’t hold back on me now, let’s state all the facts and look at the whole picture. You c’mon man!
 
-uk does...and Ohio helps. But if you go 500 miles from Oxford the AA population % is significantly greater than 500 miles from Lexington. Is what it is.

^also, the further you get away from campus the competition increases.
Not sure if totally correct, but I think Schnellenburger said that half the population of the US is within 500 miles of Lexington. I stand to be corrected.
 
-be miserable if you wanna be miserable. Ignore the positive and focus on the negative.

^on that note I'm gonna refrain from clicking on "show ignored content"... go cats.
 
It is crying. I have seen many UK teams that fit the description you are laying on this team and you are extremely inaccurate or have a total lack of perspective. We all would love to improve even more but I don't believe constantly crapping on those actually doing all the work actually helps anything.
Sorry but how is saying the team has played rather poorly all year crying? Only harsh criticism I have given out (if you even consider this harsh) has been toward stoops and his ultra conservative coaching style.
 
Sorry but how is saying the team has played rather poorly all year crying? Only harsh criticism I have given out (if you even consider this harsh) has been toward stoops and his ultra conservative coaching style.
I'm with you here. I'm not an advocate of firing stoops or anything such. It's also ok to say it feels like we're stuck. But I also don't go along with the hyperbole gang that he's unduplicateable either.

Case in point, Kyle Tucker tweets that Ky had gone to 8 bowls between 85-2015...three of those seasons we didn't belong to Stoops in the math... but stoops has gone to 8 in a row. Going to 8 bowls in a row IS some degree of accomplishment but it is a misleading piece of info. in 1985, only 3 SEC teams made a bowl UGA, Bama, Auburn...1/3 of the league. There are now over 40 bowls and last season, 11 of 14 SEC teams went to a bowl where they are largely pre-contracted out as long as you get to 6 wins. In 06 when everybody went to 12 games we kicked off Indiana to have this low bar model to get to 6 so we get a bowl. To compare this current achievement to 1985 or honestly til 2006 where this new everybody gets into a bowl model began, it is hyperbole. Since 06 we've been to a bowl all but 5 seasons....3 of those with stoops.

The strongest argument for Stoops is his conference record. He has had 4 seasons of .500+ SEC football. Mumme had that in 2 of his 4 seasons although his end was disastrous and Brooks got one of those seasons in as he got things rebuilt. In fairness to Brooks, the conference slate he competed against was unquestionably superior to what stoops has faced and with few program tools to compete with on the recruiting trail. Stoops is a 'solid' coach, he's not Bear Bryant. We have adequate resources to compete now so it should come as no surprise that we compete better.
 
I’m generous I’ll give you two, Ole Miss and Missouri
My God!!

You can’t be serious.

When Stoops arrived we had a one win advantage over Vanderbilt in twelve decades of competition.

We had (and still have) a one-loss disadvantage against IU in more than 30 games played.

Vandy and IU are two of only three P5 programs with nary a 10 win season in their history.

When Stoops arrived programs named Kansas, Rutgers, Virginia, Illinois, Duke, Wake Forest, Oregon State, Washington State, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, and Mizzou and 51 other traditional P5 programs had won 10 or more games in a season since we last had in 1977.

We have scraped the bottom of the “Majors,” and P5 football for a decade longer than Stoops has lived!

Mizzou and Ole Miss have had far more success the 65 years prior to Stoops arrival.
 
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My God!!

You can’t be serious.

When Stoops arrived we had a one win advantage over Vanderbilt in twelve decades of competition.

We had (and still have) a one-loss disadvantage against IU in more than 30 games played.

Vandy and IU are two of only three P5 programs with nary a 10 win season in their history.

When Stoops arrived programs named Kansas, Rutgers, Virginia, Illinois, Duke, Wake Forest, Oregon State, Washington State, Temple, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, and Mizzou and 51 other P5 programs had won 10 or more games in a season since we last had in 1977.

We have scraped the bottom of the “Majors,” and P5 football for a decade longer than Stoops has lived!

Mizzou and Ole Miss have had far more success the 65 years prior to Stoops arrival.
Why are you yelling? Do you have a disproportionately inflated view of your own opinion?
 
All to the benefit of my near-illiterate critics!

Juxtaposing me with Homer . . . I’m not quite pompous enough ass to have done that, but thanks!!!!!
Well, to be fair, I always thought Homer overrated. He literally had no competition! But, he was blind.
 
Yes, folks, they told us that we had better expect and demand better of Coach Stoops and his team, or we were fueling mediocrity!

They courageously posted their thoughts under anonymous nicknames, and spoke of Stoops’ nine-million dollar contract at least ten-million times!

Yeah, verily, they Harped, Bitched and Moaned this program back onto the winning track!!!!

Surely, the astute complaints and observations of the likes of those with newly minted Cat sounding monikers were printed and shared throughout the football complex, making it clear that the natives were restless,

And mid-week, the Coaching staff and team had a collective epiphany:

WE MUST WIN IN STARKVILLE AS THOSE FANS WHOSE REAL NAMES WE WILL NEVER KNOW . . . SO DEMAND IT!!!

And even as it had been demanded, so it was produced on the football gridiron in Starkville, Mississippi!

Well done BBN! Please whine with reckless abandon this week as well.
 
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I've got my 2 tix for sale for the Bama game if you know anyone looking -- less than you can buy elsewhere
Bro, you got a Blue a lot Pass?

I’m phoning a friend for you!!

[He d/n need extra Bama tics, but is jonesing for a Blue Lot pass!]
 
Those are different games so we will see how many we actually score and how many we actually need. We did not even need 24 against Miss St. We put up 21 in the first and had the game pretty much in hand midway through the 3rd, along with an injured Qb, it silly to extrapolate what the potential was had we needed it. Stoops played smart and locked down a much needed win.
Convinced Yet...it's about OFFENSE folks. We've been outscored 211-83 in our 4 losses. Wake the hell up!
 
Yes, folks, they told us that we had better expect and demand better of Coach Stoops and his team, or we were fueling mediocrity!

They courageously posted their thoughts under anonymous nicknames, and spoke of Stoops’ nine-million dollar contract at least ten-million times!

Yeah, verily, they Harped, Bitched and Moaned this program back onto the winning track!!!!

Surely, the astute complaints and observations of the likes of those with newly minted Cat sounding monikers were printed and shared throughout the football complex, making it clear that the natives were restless,

And mid-week, the Coaching staff and team had a collective epiphany:

WE MUST WIN IN STARKVILLE AS THOSE FANS WHOSE REAL NAMES WE WILL NEVER KNOW . . . SO DEMAND IT!!!

And even as it had been demanded, so it was produced on the football gridiron in Starkville, Mississippi!
How is that Miss State win looking now? Texas A&M beat the same team 51-10 yesterday and then fired their coach.
 
Convinced Yet...it's about OFFENSE folks. We've been outscored 211-83 in our 4 losses. Wake the hell up!
Your math is off. Opponents scored 171, not 211, and we scored 82, not 83. Regardless, I'd say the issue is giving up an average of OVER 42 POINTS PER GAME in our losses. If it's all about offense, then tell me why by doubling our points scored, we'd still have collectively fewer points across all 4 games than our opponents, 171-164?
 
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But you like long, overly worded narratives. Obviously.

I’m 31 years old and Rich Brooks had the best UK team of my lifetime and that was in 2007.

That team from top the bottom would destroy any Mark Stoops team. Stoops will NEVER beat not only a #1 team but an eventual national champion.

Knocked off top 10 Louisville and gave Florida everything they could handle and yes it was the good Urban Meyer Florida not Dan Mullen or Billy Napier Florida.

If not for injuries that team would’ve done something special. And Brooks was here for a lot less of time.
That 2007 Rich Brooks team had 14 players that made an NFL roster.
Most of them were starters who played multiple years in the NFL.

All were DEVELOPED by RB and staff. No superstar recruits. Especially, no 5 star recruits.

CMS does not compare to RB in game preparation, player discipline, game management, situational awareness, clock management, or the ability to motivate his team and have them ready to play from the opening kickoff until the horn sounds to end the game.

No comparison.
 
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That 2007 Rich Brooks team had 14 players that made an NFL roster.
Most of them were starters who played multiple years in the NFL.

All were DEVELOPED by RB and staff. No superstar recruits. Especially, no 5 star recruits.

CMS does not compare to RB in game preparation, player discipline, game management, situational awareness, clock management, or the ability to motivate his team and have them ready to play from the opening kickoff until the horn sounds to end the game.

No comparison.
Imagine if CRB and his staff could have gotten the financial support this one does!
 
I'm with you here. I'm not an advocate of firing stoops or anything such. It's also ok to say it feels like we're stuck. But I also don't go along with the hyperbole gang that he's unduplicateable either.

Case in point, Kyle Tucker tweets that Ky had gone to 8 bowls between 85-2015...three of those seasons we didn't belong to Stoops in the math... but stoops has gone to 8 in a row. Going to 8 bowls in a row IS some degree of accomplishment but it is a misleading piece of info. in 1985, only 3 SEC teams made a bowl UGA, Bama, Auburn...1/3 of the league.

I don't know where you are just getting a third but half the SEC went to a bowl of the 18 bowls that were in existence in 1985.
LSU- Liberty Bowl
Georgia- Sun Bowl
Alabama- Aloha Bowl
Auburn Cotton Bowl
Tennessee-Sugar Bowl

And five went the year before (incl. UK) and six went the year after. We could not finish in the top half of the league to save our life plus there was only six SEC games and we weren't exactly competitive in our non-conference games either. In modern football I can only think of four seasons before Stoops where we even qualified from a wins standpoint but got no bowl invite and (1977 and 2002) were because of probation and Claiborne had a 6-5 and a 5-5-1 that did not get a bowl invite.. So I consider 8 straight bowls to be a pretty significant achievement.

All that being said, I'm not happy with the way this season and last have gone and I feel like we're at some sort of crossroads. I'm not ready to say it's time to move on but it's gotten a little stale and I worry about our identity going from emphasizing toughness and physicality is morphing into trash talking and lack of discipline and players that.don't know the difference.
 
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Imagine if CRB and his staff could have gotten the financial support this one does!
Yeah, he was a great coach and better guy imo, the guy deserved more support but made the most out of what he had. My conspiracy theory is he handed the program over to Joker knowing it would tank therefore forcing the admin to actually invest in the program. Sounds dumb and I say a lot of dumb things but that was definitely the lowest point of modern UK football. “Call me when we’re 2-10” is painted on the side of my barn.
 
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