Joker was bad, but Stoops is basically doing the same job papa brooks was doing. At least then there was a sense that we might break through. And there weren’t weekly on field discipline issues, the staff wasn’t being paid a kings ransom, there was no unearned arrogance, etc etc
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I love paw paw, but he never had an SEC winning record, never ended a season ranked, never beat UT or UF, never got us in a Bowl south of Birmingham/Memphis, and never got us a bowl date on New Year’s Day.
Stoops has done these things.
Thank you…some people act like Brooks is a better coach simply due to the narrative that he don’t have as much talent as Stoops did
But who cares about talent level….they both had basically the same job for a long stretch and Stoops was able to attract more talent …so credit to him
But to argue Stoops has a top 12 (Penn st) and Top 18 (Iowa) finish whereas Brooks best was outside top 25 8-5 music city bowl in 2007…people just don’t live in facts. Stoops finished 10-3 twice whereas Brooks best was 8-5
Those are different games so we will see how many we actually score and how many we actually need. We did not even need 24 against Miss St. We put up 21 in the first and had the game pretty much in hand midway through the 3rd, along with an injured Qb, it silly to extrapolate what the potential was had we needed it. Stoops played smart and locked down a much needed win.
Brooks was not here that long. You act like we shouldn’t see CMS compete with the elite in the league a decade into his tenure. Year 5 coming off probation Brooks was able to keep it close with Georgia (lost by 9), Florida (lost by 8) and UT (lost by 2) AND beat top ten teams in LSU/UL. When is the last time you even have stoops a chance against elite teams? We are over a decade in and he has resources and facilities brooks never dreamed of- we would not even be able to make the comparison of stoops was doing his job.
He didn’t get to face off with cratered out Tennessee and Florida programs. Stoops should have done much more with the hand he was dealt- it will never be this easy again and we squandered a couple of opportunities for nice seasons. Don’t forget he leaves wins on the table every year.
If mark stoops had to face the 2007 Florida team right now, what do you think the spread is? Florida -13.5? Can we keep them under 50?
The fellowship of the "pumpers' out in full force after another big victory against a ahit team whos poor coach died . Wait till next week, they will hide under a rock for a couple days and start spewing horse manure about "dis sec, it tough" and we can still beat usc and Lewisville, 10 million a year for anudder banjo bowl
Lol.
Brooks couldn’t.
Nor could many!
You say Brooks wasn’t here “that long.”
He was here for 8 seasons. His eighth, a 7-6 record with a loss in 26 degree weather in Nashville. By Stoops’ sixth season, 10-3, with a win in Orlando over a ranked Penn State in 86 degree whether.
Case Closed!!
So like beating top 10 Penn st in citrus
Or how about beating ranked Florida in the swamp 2018
Or how about blowing out ranked miss st in 2018
Or how about another top 15 ranked Iowa in citrus in 2021
Or how about top 20 Louisville and Lamar in 2016
Brooks was head man for seven years…so let’s not act like he didn’t have time to do what needed and the programs while solid was not flowing with talent as his recruiting was never amazing.
I don’t want to cut Brooks down as he was a solid coach but Stoops is simply a notch above I all ways. I would argue Stoops has probably done as much as he will get done and while not the level we hoped…he’s not awful and he’s certainly best we’ve been able to get in modern era. We could remove Stoops but it could get alot worse
Here's my view on Coach Stoops:
Has he vastly improved the UKFB program? Absolutely!
Has he coached UKFB to some monumental wins? Absolutely!
Has he stoked the fires of UKFB? Hell yes!
But...
When you're receiving 9+ MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR, you better put your BIG BOY pants on and go out there and earn it...because the NATIVES won't let you slide very long.
Coach Stoops...get to work on earning the FAT Paycheck!
For those wondering, I'm a Coach Stoops fan...but the trial period is over now.
Oh, and let me add, CMS has made it to where teams in the SEC have to pay attention to UKFB...but get to work Mark!
Has he vastly improved the UKFB program? Absolutely!
Has he coached UKFB to some monumental wins? Absolutely!
Has he stoked the fires of UKFB? Hell yes!
But...
When you're receiving 9+ MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR, you better put your BIG BOY pants on and go out there and earn it...because the NATIVES won't let you slide very long.
Coach Stoops...get to work on earning the FAT Paycheck!
For those wondering, I'm a Coach Stoops fan...but the trial period is over now.
Oh, and let me add, CMS has made it to where teams in the SEC have to pay attention to UKFB...but get to work Mark!
I agree completely. It's a credit to Stoops that a potential 7-5 finish is gonna be lambasted by most UK fans. I think if we finish 8 and 4 it's a good season considering the schedule but probably still leaving us all with a what if if they had been able to beat Missouri or UT.
As for the future with NIL it's only gonna get tougher in the SEC.
U6 is 4-0 vs already bowl eligible teams while UK is 0-3 being outscored 122-61.
I agree, 8-4 should heal some wounds...but WHAT IF...
Stoops needs to clear the what ifs.
I don’t want us to lose. I’m a passionate fan. Just don’t think Bama is a good matchup for us.
The teams UK has lost to would all have beaten UL as well… agree?
The teams UL beat.. save maybe ND… I’m very confident UK would have beaten.
We can beat UL and still feel very confident about that game.
The people that are ok with the losses and pump sunshine and spread toxic positivity are the ones that want us to lose. They all are secret UT and Bama fans most likely. Almost like they love the status quo of uk fb suckin hind teet!
He also only coached for half the time and didn’t have near the resources that Stoops has been given.
Can't say l honestly agree with you because l don't spend time watching u6, but the four they have beaten were beaten pretty handly. I would throw out Georgia, but the rest l don't know.
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Threads like these are just breeding grounds for everyone's singular, individual version of "I'm better than you because I believe _________."
Nobody shoots their own wounded like UK fans.
Nobody shoots their own wounded like UK fans.
So you think MSU deserves to be in this conversation for revelance? UT, Georgia and Missouri outscored UK 122-61 That's a rough average of 40-20. If you're counting on 24 even having UK close I'm afraid you're going to be very disappointed.
I’m 31 years old and Rich Brooks had the best UK team of my lifetime and that was in 2007.
That team from top the bottom would destroy any Mark Stoops team. Stoops will NEVER beat not only a #1 team but an eventual national champion.
Knocked off top 10 Louisville and gave Florida everything they could handle and yes it was the good Urban Meyer Florida not Dan Mullen or Billy Napier Florida.
If not for injuries that team would’ve done something special. And Brooks was here for a lot less of time.
That team from top the bottom would destroy any Mark Stoops team. Stoops will NEVER beat not only a #1 team but an eventual national champion.
Knocked off top 10 Louisville and gave Florida everything they could handle and yes it was the good Urban Meyer Florida not Dan Mullen or Billy Napier Florida.
If not for injuries that team would’ve done something special. And Brooks was here for a lot less of time.
With FAR less financial support.
Perfect. Simply perfect summation of this entire board.
-I think it's cute that people think they can "demand excellence"... and somehow just through the force of their gargantuan will...it will happen.
-the cats have lost games to #1, #14 and #16. The effort against ga and mizz was atrocious... ewe t game was better effort wise, the first two offensive possessions killed them. The margin of error is still razor thin.
^I hate when my team loses. Stoops needs to do better.
-give me an example of an *sec* team that started at *zero* in regards to coaching/talent/admin support...that has done better than where uk is at now. It doesn't exist.
^again... improvement needs to happen. But not acknowledging how far UK has come is stupid.
-losers pointing west at city college as an example of anything are delusional. The ACC is a very bad conference... notre dame was living off "almost beating" ohio. Cats will win that game by 2 scores minimum.
-the cats have lost games to #1, #14 and #16. The effort against ga and mizz was atrocious... ewe t game was better effort wise, the first two offensive possessions killed them. The margin of error is still razor thin.
^I hate when my team loses. Stoops needs to do better.
-give me an example of an *sec* team that started at *zero* in regards to coaching/talent/admin support...that has done better than where uk is at now. It doesn't exist.
^again... improvement needs to happen. But not acknowledging how far UK has come is stupid.
-losers pointing west at city college as an example of anything are delusional. The ACC is a very bad conference... notre dame was living off "almost beating" ohio. Cats will win that game by 2 scores minimum.
-nope. We've won 7 or the last 8 or some such against mizzou.
^if you are talking about when they first entered the league and had a two year run... they had a guy named Pinkle who had been there for a decade + and had 3 big 12 division titles under his belt... meaning Mizzou had established football culture/success... then they disappeared after he left.
-are you contending that Ole Miss doesn't have a more robust football culture than UK.
^3 national titles a couple of mannings...and scads more support from their administration.
-all that said, mizzou hasn't done anything over the last 10 years that UK hasn't. Did Ole miss win the west and I missed it?
^what is making you hold them up as something to aspire to?
-I think some folks underestimate the damage Newton, Ivy, Curry and Joker did to the football program here.
^if you are talking about when they first entered the league and had a two year run... they had a guy named Pinkle who had been there for a decade + and had 3 big 12 division titles under his belt... meaning Mizzou had established football culture/success... then they disappeared after he left.
-are you contending that Ole Miss doesn't have a more robust football culture than UK.
^3 national titles a couple of mannings...and scads more support from their administration.
-all that said, mizzou hasn't done anything over the last 10 years that UK hasn't. Did Ole miss win the west and I missed it?
^what is making you hold them up as something to aspire to?
-I think some folks underestimate the damage Newton, Ivy, Curry and Joker did to the football program here.
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James Franklin took Vandy to 9-4 in year 2.
Lane Kiffin took Ole Miss to 10-3 in year 2.
Want me to keep going? That took me 11 seconds to find.
-Stoops has had two 10 win seasons.
-Hows Vandy doing now? It was a magical two year stretch. A little too much rape for me...but whatevs.
-yep 10-3...followed by 8-5, having a good year this year. Should we compare UK's recruiting base/historical investment in football to that of Ole Miss?
-listen... I'm all for you guys getting into your feelings and crying on a message board, it's what fans do.
^I get down a bit when the cats lose. But I like to deal in numbers/facts. To each their own.
-yes you may keep going if you wish.
-Hows Vandy doing now? It was a magical two year stretch. A little too much rape for me...but whatevs.
-yep 10-3...followed by 8-5, having a good year this year. Should we compare UK's recruiting base/historical investment in football to that of Ole Miss?
-listen... I'm all for you guys getting into your feelings and crying on a message board, it's what fans do.
^I get down a bit when the cats lose. But I like to deal in numbers/facts. To each their own.
-yes you may keep going if you wish.
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Ole Miss last championship was in 1962!!! LMAO
Go back and re-read your post. You said who’s better “now.” Missouri is better than we are “now.” In case you forgot, they just blew us out on our home field a few weeks ago.
So if Missouri and Ole Miss were already so relevant, that leaves only one other school we can compare UK to and that’s Vandy.
No Ole Miss didn’t win the West but did UK win the east? At least they compete with the Alabamas and LSU’s. We can’t even do that!
Congratulations man you’re 100% right. We are better than Vandy “now.” It must suck for them to be the worst team in the conference especially when we’re sitting so high up second to the bottom!
Fact...UK'S recruiting base is as large or larger within a 500 mile radius as Ole Miss. What many REFUSE to admit here is that Stoops OFFENSIVE PHILOSOPHY is his biggest block to taking another step and he continues to refuse to change it to meet today's game.
-mizzou was better *this* year... UK had won the 5 prior games, iirc. One win is not a trend.
-ole miss has a more significant cfb history/recruiting base. Is what it is.
-uga and ewe t are the only teams on uk's regular schedule that have an edge over the last 5 years. Scar, mizzou, fla, louisvile, vandy have been handled more often than not. They just broke serve at MSU to give UK the edge in that series as well.
-uga is uga... their recruiting base will be hard to overcome.
-ewe t... that's the one I hate.
-saying that vandy is the only team "looking up to uk" is an emotional response... patently false.
-ole miss has a more significant cfb history/recruiting base. Is what it is.
-uga and ewe t are the only teams on uk's regular schedule that have an edge over the last 5 years. Scar, mizzou, fla, louisvile, vandy have been handled more often than not. They just broke serve at MSU to give UK the edge in that series as well.
-uga is uga... their recruiting base will be hard to overcome.
-ewe t... that's the one I hate.
-saying that vandy is the only team "looking up to uk" is an emotional response... patently false.
-KY has an 8% African American population. Mississippi has a 38% African American population.
^won't go in to why it matters..
But if you look at d1 cfb and NFL demographics, it matters.
You keep saying this and your making up crap as usual
Brooks 7 year …and joker HCIW was his idea
Stoops 11 years
You act like one coaches two years and the other 20 years
As far as resources….sure UK has spent more with Stoops but also let’s remember sec money is way up and I’d argue just about every schools spends more then they did 15 years ago.
Here is Stoops big impact over Brooks…he does not lose a ton to middle of the road teams like usc and mizzou and Vandy at the bottom. Brooks was consistently losing those games
-I somehow missed this nugget the first time.
Uga has one the last 2 natty's. In 22 uk played them tighter than everyone but ohio st. did in the semifinal. In 21 uk played them closer than everyone but clemson(they used to be pretty good)... and Bama went 1-1 with them...hammered them in the sec final and lost by 3 fewer points in the national championship than uk did.
^that's "competing".
-also uk smoked lsu last time they played, c'mon man.
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