If we didn't like it when we were accused of cheating by those who couldn't compete with Cal, is it now ok to call those who are out-recruiting UK cheats? We can't have it both ways.
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I fear that Calipari won't land Cook or Edwards.
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The last time I looked it was the coach who is making millions not the so called "Worst fans UK has had (in my 75+ years as a Fan)." Therefore, there is nothing wrong with fans expecting Cal to earn his salary just as Cal expects his players to earn playing time. Maybe when Cal leaves you will go too so that you can be surrounded by better fans. While you are on the way out the door just remember it is the interest in the program by those "Worst fans UK has had (in my 75+ years as a Fan)." that allows Cal to make his millions. Maybe you and Cal should think about that.
That is Baloney. Cal did not SELL it to us.
HE DID IT. Reversed the Billy G disaster in ONE season.
But don't change my comments above: we have become the is WORST fans in my lifetime.
And I am an expert on that.
I was here before your Mom and Dad were born (likely).
Cal IS earning his pay. Not your definition (obviously).
Typical...
Well Cal has 4 FF in 12 seasons (1 canceled tourney).
So even if previous coaches took 3-4 years to build a contender and did that over and over again they may go to 3-4 over a 12 year period...maybe.
Reality is UK went to 13 FF before Cal, in 70 seasons. One FF every 5.3 years. However, 8 of those 13FF were achieved in a total of just 16 total tries (Rupp '42-51 and Pitino/Smith '92-'98).
Without those runs above, UK went to just 5 in 54 seasons.
The whole point is what Cal did here early was historic in reference to UK basketball and FF. His run between '11-'15 was remarkable and also frustrating as we should have won at least 1 more title.
I can see both perspectives and agree Cal let some stuff slip...no doubt.
Hoping he turns it around as something certainly seems to be changing around UKBB.
We all want more titles and more FF's.
That’s the problem, brother. We should have at least one more title, probably 2 more. Cal’s stubbornness and unwillingness to change up strategy is what really burns my ass and where the disconnect with many UK fans lies IMO. In other words, it was preventable. Instead, he allowed duke to back into two titles that should’ve came back to Lexington.
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He was a pretend elite forward who did nothing well. It’s amazing that anyone had him ranked top 5 let alone top 100 to me.
He might get a top notch player, but as in the past, he won't be one that fits Cal's system whatever the hell that is.
Kentucky basketball is like a graduate school decision. Might be your dream university but there is a much better option for other reasons and you have to end up somewhere else at another grad school because of it.
I don’t know why but it seems to be the case.
I don’t know why but it seems to be the case.
You are a self-proclaimed expert on what makes a good fan? WOW!! Your standards are so low for Cal that he earns his pay by just hanging around as the coach. We should all feel blessed. Based on your low standards for Cal, all players should get equal playing time just for being on the team. Why should they have to produce?
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The best thing about uk basketball is it's fans- The worst thing about uk basketball is its fans
Here's what those guys shot from three:
Tatum: 34%
Isaacs: 34%
Bridges: 38%
Wiggins: 34%
Muhammed: 38%
Barton: 30%
Zion: 34%
Reddish: 33%
Barrett: 31%
Jalen Johnson: 44%
Stanley Johnson: 37%
Brown: 29%
Ingram: 41%
Parker: 36%
Winslow: 42%
That's a 36% three point average amongst those guys.
I'd take that, especially when it means landing a kid who's 6'7"ish and rangy as they come, and who you can also turn into a defensive mismatch.
Yes, because going 9-16 one year, and losing in the first round to peacocks just screams worthy of being the highest paid college basketball coach in the country.
He lost them, period. But if it makes you feel better you believe what you want
Surely to God, you have better things to fear than this. You need to get a life. It’s a frigging game.
I don't see how you can sleep at night. And then you also have to worry about the sky falling.
For it to be just a frigging game, as you put it, there sure is a hell of a lot of money that gets shelled out on it.
Don't worry about my nerves, they are fine.
Worry about something that might happen, worry about the sky falling. Ot Cal forgetting how to recruit AND coach.
We have had several that looked the part and were ranked high in high school. Some did well here while others , for whatever reason did not. I can name Boston, Clarke, K. Johnson and Wenyen Gabriel off the top of my head. None were as productive as MKG but they were as highly ranked as the players you are fearful of missing on.
I am doing you a favor by telling you to stop arguing with the guy. He talks facts and common sense. You have nothing going for you unless you count ill will toward Cal a positive. Seriously, he makes you sound silly.
Keldon was athletic as hell, but wasn't a good shooter and he disappeared a lot.
I was hoping he would have stayed one more year, because we only got to see flashes of how great he could have been, but that's what happens with the one-and-done culture.
Why would keldon of stayed? He was a first round pick in the pre NIL era, which basically means you should go to the draft 10/10 times.
Well. He’s done well in the league. Blame the NBA. It is what it is. I mean look at what Booker has done. No college can compete with that. The problem is every kid thinks he’s that. And no coach can tell them other wise. Especially when serpents are in their ear.
Rupp and Hall never pimped UK out to the NBA draft the way Cal has.
If Cal prioritized UK the way those other 2 guys did, you wouldn't see so many fans down on him.
His results have been in a steep decline and it has put a huge dent in UK's historic numbers. We've lost too many important streaks/leads the last few years. How many more things are you guys going to make excuses for before you realize the game has changed and Cal isn't able to adapt to it.
Also, how many times did Rupp or Hall go 9-16? Did they have the talent Cal has had? Did they talk down to the fans when they screwed up? Did they ever lose to teams like Richmond, Evensville, Robert Morris, or Saint Peters?
Cal made his own bed and he either fixes it, or the kitchen will get hotter.
You're acting like there's no reason to be down on Cal. Ya gotta be kidding me.
He hasn’t helped his case since the SP loss either. He has avoided the fanbase and will only do interviews with guys that give him soft questions to answer. He's been a bit of a punk the last 2 years if I'm being honest. This university and the BBN have made him very rich, we deserve better.
You already posted this view once, and now again?
I saw your opinion the first time. It was as worthless the first go-round as it was the second. You can post it a third time if you'd like, but I can assure you I'll still think your view on this matter is without value.
Wasn’t he picked like last in the first round? Have you seen him play in the NBA (I really don't know, I don't care about the NBA).
But I said I hoped he would have stayed, I didn't say he should have.
I choose to blame it on the guy that prioritizes the draft instead of UK's success, but again, I never said Keldon SHOULD have stayed, I said "hoped".
I have seen him play. He’s solid. He’s not Curry or Durant. But very few are. He’s a solid role player make bank.
You mean the guy that skipped this year. Again, I’m still pissed at Cal. But maybe he’s pulling his head out betwixt his cheeks.
Again, what started one and done? The League.
Most of college basketballs woes have been cause by two things. The NBA and the NCAA. No more. No less. Look at this years draft. Only ONE player in the Top 15 that made it to the title game. That’s it. Three of them in the FF. Cal is not at fault for the state of college ball. Granted, he shares blame in it and especially for the struggles at UK; those are solely his to bear. But if you want the reason why kids leave, it’s because college doesn’t offer what the league can. Now with NIL it’s closer. But it’s still not the same.
Sadly for Hardy, he will be the example of why to choose a good school and not just jump to the G-League.
And we made Billy Clyde pretty rich, even made him richer by doing his contract on a piece of scrap paper.
Or was it toilet paper?
You just have to look at the teams that are winning titles. Those programs prioritize college accolades and building teams by developing players over a period of many years, that’s what wins titles in college.
Also, Tbf, the NBA wasn’t the same thing then as it is today, towards then end of Hall’s tenure maybe but nothing like it was during Rick and Tubbys time.
He never should have been given the job at UK and Cal never should have been given a lifetime deal.
We’re about to have our most experienced team in Cal’s tenure.
We will see how that works out.
KU prioritizes cheating. So does UNC. The only honest titles here lately have been Novas.
