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I come in peace, and I respectfully have a question

I'm neither a Kentucky nor a Duke fan, but from my perspective the thing about working officials is respect and confirmation bias. If an official respects someone as a good coach, the coach "working him" will cause the official to second-guess himself just a bit, the little bit that makes it effective.

But the same behavior by a coach they don't respect will just come off as whiny. At best they'll tune the coach out; at worst they'll go looking for a reason to T up the coach.

I have no idea where Mark Pope falls in that, but I can imagine that Nate Oats is probably a lot more effective at working officials than his first year in the league, even if he hasn't changed a thing.

I mean just the familiarity with the refs and learning how different ones respond to being “worked” is huge as well. Coaches have to be good at understanding how to push buttons and communicate with different people to be effective and I would imagine it’s no different for the refs. Just another challenge if you’re a first year coach in a new league.
 
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Welcome Duke Blu,
Just speculation but I believe Make You “Hurl”Ly and K are/were equally obnoxious.

The difference is K acted calm and mostly cool on the bench while he was spewing out his vitriol on the refs. Hurley is a psychopath and his antics do not occur occasionally but are his norm. I cannot believe that he gets more calls in his favor because of his craziness. . Showing up the officials to the entire arena does not equate to favorable calls.

I think the vast majority of UK fans love Coach Pope and we are fortunate that Hurley did not come to Lexington!
 
Used to live over on Tobacco Rd. Coach K had as foul a mouth as any coach to ever walk the sideline. Coach K WAS Bobby K, with one great exception. K was smart enough to know where the camera was and aware enough to care about public perception. The General didn't or couldn't control himself when the microphone went hot.
 
I am obviously a Duke fan and I grew up in NJ, came close to going to St Anthony’s to play basketball. I say all of that to say, I clearly have a bunch of bias and may not be the best at providing an opinion on what I want to ask. But who better than UK fans for this?

Was K every bit as bad as Danny Hurley (even Bobby sometimes) in terms of working the refs?

I know K worked the refs and I know K substantially got some favoritism. I can admit that. But was K as brutal as Danny is perceived in your opinion?
I have an honest question for you. Do you ever question if having freshman dominating teams is the right model to run in today’s game? I tend to think coach K would have won more championships if he hadn’t adopted Cals one&done model . There has only been 1 top ten freshman on a national championship winning team since 2015 . Thoughts ?
 
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Pretty much off-topic, but with my team set to visit Lloyd Noble next weekend I was thinking about my favorite instance of, err, I suppose you could say working the refs. From 1989:



I love how Ed Hightower's arms show up in the frame, making a "T" a few millseconds later as Tubbs walks back. No idea how many calls OU got later that night but the clip shows that they went on to win, no doubt as a favorite. They were pretty dominant that year.
 
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No matter how Coach K was, I have huge respect even as a die hard UK fan after how he spoke to and about our team after the god help us shot Laettner made.
 
I have an honest question for you. Do you ever question if having freshman dominating teams is the right model to run in today’s game? I tend to think coach K would have won more championships if he hadn’t adopted Cals one&done model . There has only been 1 top ten freshman on a national championship winning team since 2015 . Thoughts ?
I agree 100%. With that said, it is VERY HARD to win it all, freshman or not. I am not so sure K would have won more to be honest. My ideal constructed team is what we have now, and had in the year Kyrie played but got hurt and to some degree, the team that did win it in 2015. Sure, the freshmen played a significant role but there were upper classmen who complimented some of the stud freshmen perfectly. Have to be realistic. Things will never be the way they were with studs sticking around for multiple years. Grant Hill stayed all four years. Think about how crazy that is in today's terms. He was essentially what Cooper Flagg is today. Anyway, I don't have many regrets with K and Duke.
 
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Pretty much nailed it
This has been and is a clever and fun thread about two foul mouth winning coaches. Let us think back 6 months about how we wanted Hurley and he was the coach our AD had to throw $$$$ at to ensure he was our coach. If this had happened and Hurley was wearing a blue blazer with UK on the front, would he be still a POS or would we say he is OUR POS. Just curious. Personally, I am glad he is NOT our POS. Pope 100 times better forUK.
 
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He’s a despicable human. He proved it loud and clear when a lowly staffer tried to hand him a clipboard and he knocked it out of their hand and onto the floor. He further proved it when they had a whole ceremony to honor his career and he pouted the entire time because UNC had just beaten him (again).
The thing that get's me about his retirement was that he could have done like Roy and just stepped away at the end of the season. However, he announced it a full year in advance so he could be adored and slobbered all over by the media every game for his last season. It was like in his mind it was his last "gift" to college basketball and it's fans to be able to see him in their gym one last time. Such an egotistical thing to do.
 
The thing that get's me about his retirement was that he could have done like Roy and just stepped away at the end of the season. However, he announced it a full year in advance so he could be adored and slobbered all over by the media every game for his last season. It was like in his mind it was his last "gift" to college basketball and it's fans to be able to see him in their gym one last time. Such an egotistical thing to do.
Of course. He lives for that stuff. Biggest ego I’ve ever seen in college basketball.

The night he lectured the kid from the opposing team in the handshake line was one of the most disgusting things I’ve ever seen. So over the top, narcissistic displays by a coach. Kid should have laughed in his face. Basically the same thing as Hurley saying what he said. How dare you do that to me??!!
 
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This has been and is a clever and fun thread about two foul mouth winning coaches. Let us think back 6 months about how we wanted Hurley and he was the coach our AD had to throw $$$$ at to ensure he was our coach. If this had happened and Hurley was wearing a blue blazer with UK on the front, would he be still a POS or would we say he is OUR POS. Just curious. Personally, I am glad he is NOT our POS. Pope 100 times better forUK.
We critisized BCG the second he ripped a sideline reporter for asking a question and we ripped him for the "this is not the university of Jodie Meeks" comment.

We ripped Cal for his "this is the greatest night in UK history" comment in 2010 and we ripped Cal for many other comments he made throughout his tenure, which I won't go into now.

So, I am very confident in saying we would not be happy with Hurley's tantrums and comments if he was doing that here.
 
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This has been and is a clever and fun thread about two foul mouth winning coaches. Let us think back 6 months about how we wanted Hurley and he was the coach our AD had to throw $$$$ at to ensure he was our coach. If this had happened and Hurley was wearing a blue blazer with UK on the front, would he be still a POS or would we say he is OUR POS. Just curious. Personally, I am glad he is NOT our POS. Pope 100 times better forUK.
He wasn't my first choice or even my 2nd or 3rd. Prior to the last 2 seasons he has the same career win percentage as Tom Crean. I think UConn won in spite of him as much as it was because of him. It's kind of like we did in 2012 with Cal. Sometimes things fall in place at the right time and UConn has been pretty lucky in that sense. I mean had Kevin Ollie faced a team coached by anyone other than Cal he doesn't win a title either because... well he is Kevin Ollie. 😂
 
I am obviously a Duke fan and I grew up in NJ, came close to going to St Anthony’s to play basketball. I say all of that to say, I clearly have a bunch of bias and may not be the best at providing an opinion on what I want to ask. But who better than UK fans for this?

Was K every bit as bad as Danny Hurley (even Bobby sometimes) in terms of working the refs?

I know K worked the refs and I know K substantially got some favoritism. I can admit that. But was K as brutal as Danny is perceived in your opinion?
Welcome to our board again!

K in my opinion was more respected and feared than Hurley. After the 4 Corners Coach retired he become the face of the best college basketball conference . K was leader. The difference is he earned that in decades where Hurley is demanding that after half a decade.
The other difference is K survived and battled many Hurleys in his career:Jerry Tarkanian , Smith, Roy Williams , Gary Williams , Pitino, Calipari, Izzo, etc…

K was a workaholic and like to control everything related to basketball game on the court and off the court. To me K helped Duke even academically and if Duke has now a vast fan base that surpasses the alumnae is because of the basketball program and relationships that he build.

Because of his longevity K was sexy in the college basketball world when he marketed his Duke coaching methods on vhsl tape ( by the way but he stayed sexy in the espn era and also in the social media era. He was not an inventor like Rupp or Knight or Smith or Calipari but he surpass them all because of his work ethic and building a deliberate image as the face of college basketball. He is doing that still in his retirement to Duke’s benefit. Some of the things he does are undeniable excellent other things would have have the Duke program being sanctioned by NCAA or other law enforcement agencies.

I can tell you that a lot of the fear and respect come also because of his influence and work behind the scene. When Roger Ayers retires from referee he will a be a very good person to give you first hand details from officiating side about coach K since he worked many of the rivalry games vs UNC.

From perfecting existing basketball concepts and leadership, Coach K is the goat. From pure basketball mind I still believe Rupp was the most creative coach and the goat.

K got protected by the empire of influence he helped building and he chose correctly when, where, how many times and how to retire and even his successor to protect his legacy. Rupp cared more about his players and the Commonwealth than his own legacy and didn’t have the same protection and was forced to retire.

I am surprised that you put Hurley and K in the same conversation. That’s a joke. There are many coaches like Hurley. There are very few like Rupp, Knight. Wooden or K.
 
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He’s a despicable human. He proved it loud and clear when a lowly staffer tried to hand him a clipboard and he knocked it out of their hand and onto the floor. He further proved it when they had a whole ceremony to honor his career and he pouted the entire time because UNC had just beaten him (again).
I don't think I've ever cussed at the tv more in my life than watching that unfold! That ungrateful bastard told all his own fans to shut up and let him finish speaking!! He literally thought he was God at the end!
 
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A GOAT doesn’t lose to his arch rival three times in his farewell season. Or was it four, lol?
Note what I wrote :

From perfecting existing basketball concepts and leadership, Coach K is the goat. From pure basketball mind I still believe Rupp was the most creative coach and the goat.

I should add the K was also the goat from building relationships and influence.

Now losing to UnC is because he “grew up “ as a coach in Acc when Smith was running the tables, so UNC has been living rent free in K brain his whole career. In a sense Duke has always been UNC little brother , from results and fan base in the state of North Carolina. I know right now , things might be looking diffent, but give couple of decades and they will have the same type of rivalry that we have with U6.


As far hate of other fan base, against K it has not been because of his results, but because of his favoritism on whistle and behind the scene influence… ask Maryland , Arizona, NC State, UVA, or even JMU fans….

You see I didn’t mention Kentucky , Kansas or UnC or UCLA … we cannot be jealous of your results, we are in a different conversation .
 
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This has been and is a clever and fun thread about two foul mouth winning coaches. Let us think back 6 months about how we wanted Hurley and he was the coach our AD had to throw $$$$ at to ensure he was our coach. If this had happened and Hurley was wearing a blue blazer with UK on the front, would he be still a POS or would we say he is OUR POS. Just curious. Personally, I am glad he is NOT our POS. Pope 100 times better forUK.
Hurley would have been a Billy Clyde level mistake. Most were done with Cal for the last few years, Hurley's shelf life here would have been shorter. Maybe Hurley was smart enough to know his massive ego would not play here or maybe he just doesn't like UK(for whatever reason just be glad he was never here.)
 
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