How does TN get receivers so wide open?

[bigblueinsanity]

Talented receivers, isolation routes, tempo

They definitely don't run isolation routes. They literally run like 3 or 4 route combos. The main one is the switch concept with twins. If deep safety bites, they throw over the top and the guy is wide open.

If everyone stays home, the route turns into a hard comeback then you have to tackle.

I have no idea what they do that makes it so enticing for the deep safety to jump that inside route; but they get it all the time. That leaves the outside route wiiiiide open. Tempo helps but it's something else they're doing that baits safeties.

Even when you shut all that down, you still have to tackle that hard come back while watching for QB run. So even on downs you win, they still get 2-3 yards.

It isn't a complicated offense at all. It's just difficult to stop. Based on last season, seems the best might be just play man and force them to beat you with contested deep throws. It avoids all the zone mix ups and the wide open easy tds

 

[Magilla Gorillla]

 

[White Wolf]

To me the key to beating UT is actually being able to stop the run with 5 or 6 in the box. You have to take away their play action. It’s what Pitt did in the 2nd half and what UGA did all game

It certainly didn't hurt Pitt that UT had 3 TOs in the 2nd half and Hooker was a bit flat, missing some open receivers, but yes, agree, if you can stop the run with 5 in the box your chances of slowing the offense. Crowd noise helps too. Those 7-8 false starts/illegal procedures penalties against UGA kept the offense continuously behind the chains, which negatively impacts what any offense wants to do.

 

[NewWorldKat]

Tennessee brings in Seldon (who may play some RB too but I believe ends up at WR replacing Bru McCoy after next season). 220 lbs dude with 4.4 speed. Nathan Leacock who is 6-3, 200 lbs with high 4.3 low 4.4 speed. Heupel wants to find size and speed for his outside guys. Hard to defend both. They’ll add 6-5 WR from Oregon, Donte Thornton tomorrow. Kelsey Pope and Heupel are on a war path.

 

[satcheluk]

I’d bet on Heupel replacing both pretty soundly.

It'd be hard to bet against them with this years' result, but Hooker was an outlier in accuracy for a pass heavy tempo system. The typical range for accuracy in those systems is 55-60%, with 60%+ being exceptional and Hooker was pushing 70%. Methinks that'll be hard to replicate. Here are the results before he arrived at UT:
2020 Dillon Gabriel 248-of-413 60%, 3,570 passing yards
2019 Dillon Gabriel 236-of-398 59%, 3,653 passing yards
2018 Mckenzie Milton 171-of-289 59%, 2,663 passing yards
2017 Drew Lock 242-of-419 57%, 3,964 passing yards
2016 Drew Lock 237-of-434 54%, 3,399 passing yards
2015 Kent Myers 121-of-199 60%, 1,593 passing yards
Then Hooker:
2021 206 of 303 68%, 2,945 passing yds
2022 229 of 329 69%, 3,135 yds

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[Grumpyolddawg]

It certainly didn't hurt Pitt that UT had 3 TOs in the 2nd half and Hooker was a bit flat, missing some open receivers, but yes, agree, if you can stop the run with 5 in the box your chances of slowing the offense. Crowd noise helps too. Those 7-8 false starts/illegal procedures penalties against UGA kept the offense continuously behind the chains, which negatively impacts what any offense wants to do.

If it hadn't rained vols would have done better, if your aunt had testicle she would be your uncle. Quit coming up with excuse after excuse Kirby and company shut the vols down. Will do it again in 23 if Chumlee doesn't adapt.

 

[White Wolf]

If it hadn't rained vols would have done better, if your aunt had testicle she would be your uncle.

Ooh, how witty.

Quit coming up with excuse after excuse Kirby and company shut the vols down. Will do it again in 23 if Chumlee doesn't adapt.

UGA was the better team. I said that before and after the game. But whether you want to acknowledge it or not, your home crowd impacted the UT offense, which is a credit to that crowd. Same as the UT home crowd affected the Bama offense by causing a similar # of false start/illegal procedure penalties. It puts an offense continually behind the chains, and continually having to overcome that against a D as good as the UGA D is asking a lot of any offense.

And yes, I think UT will do better in '23. And there is evidence for that. For one, UGA won't have that home crowd. Does that mean I think UT will win? Of course not. But I do believe UT won't be contiually starting with 1st and 15, or seeing 3rd and 1-2 become 3rd and 6-7. You just can't continually self-destruct against a D like UGA's.

Secondly, both LSU and tOSU scored at will against the UGA D on a neutral field, I am confident the UT offense would as well. Obviously that doesn't mean UT will win, not unless the UT D continues to improve, but I am confident it will be a much better showing in '23 than that crap show in Athens.

 

[dallasg23]

Their deep routes typically put mean pressure on safeties. Especially when they run that scissor look out of twins like someone mentioned. The inside guy runs the wheel and the outside runs that post and it seems like the safety takes the post every time. Then you add the cross or a fade on the opposite side and it just stretches the zone so much that somebody is always open. Couple that with their ability to win up front 1v1 in the run game.

 

[NewWorldKat]

It'd be hard to bet against them with this years' result, but Hooker was an outlier in accuracy for a pass heavy tempo system. The typical range for accuracy in those systems is 55-60%, with 60%+ being exceptional and Hooker was pushing 70%. Methinks that'll be hard to replicate. Here are the results before he arrived at UT:
2020 Dillon Gabriel 248-of-413 60%, 3,570 passing yards
2019 Dillon Gabriel 236-of-398 59%, 3,653 passing yards
2018 Mckenzie Milton 171-of-289 59%, 2,663 passing yards
2017 Drew Lock 242-of-419 57%, 3,964 passing yards
2016 Drew Lock 237-of-434 54%, 3,399 passing yards
2015 Kent Myers 121-of-199 60%, 1,593 passing yards
Then Hooker:
2021 206 of 303 68%, 2,945 passing yds
2022 229 of 329 69%, 3,135 yds

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Milton’s in the high 60s too right now. The more open your WRs are, the easier it is to pass.

 

[NewWorldKat]

If it hadn't rained vols would have done better, if your aunt had testicle she would be your uncle. Quit coming up with excuse after excuse Kirby and company shut the vols down. Will do it again in 23 if Chumlee doesn't adapt.

1 team, at their home, in the rain shut down our offense and kept us below 31 points. Multiple teams, some running similar offenses, when you were neutral site or on the road, broke 30 on UGAs defense. Better hope Carson Beck is better than Stetson or might get outpaced here pretty soon.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

Ooh, how witty.

UGA was the better team. I said that before and after the game. But whether you want to acknowledge it or not, your home crowd impacted the UT offense, which is a credit to that crowd. Same as the UT home crowd affected the Bama offense by causing a similar # of false start/illegal procedure penalties. It puts an offense continually behind the chains, and continually having to overcome that against a D as good as the UGA D is asking a lot of any offense.

And yes, I think UT will do better in '23. And there is evidence for that. For one, UGA won't have that home crowd. Does that mean I think UT will win? Of course not. But I do believe UT won't be contiually starting with 1st and 15, or seeing 3rd and 1-2 become 3rd and 6-7. You just can't continually self-destruct against a D like UGA's.

Secondly, both LSU and tOSU scored at will against the UGA D on a neutral field, I am confident the UT offense would as well. Obviously that doesn't mean UT will win, not unless the UT D continues to improve, but I am confident it will be a much better showing in '23 than that crap show in Athens.

Neither of those run a high school passing offense at hyper speed. Excuse after excuse is all I have heard from vol vans.

What if it rains in Knoxville, vols seem to be a fair weather team?

 

[White Wolf]

Neither of those run a high school passing offense at hyper speed. Excuse after excuse is all I have heard from vol vans.

What if it rains in Knoxville, vols seem to be a fair weather team?

Try again. UT played Vandy in a pouring rain the entire game and put up 56.

 

[NewWorldKat]

Neither of those run a high school passing offense at hyper speed. Excuse after excuse is all I have heard from vol vans.

What if it rains in Knoxville, vols seem to be a fair weather team?

You don’t know offenses then. Find me a HS running Heupels offense and I’ll find you 10 running Days.

 

[Tenn_Tiger]

They still allowed 38 points and Hooker didn’t play for 40% of the game. The defense didn’t show up. UK will never have an offense than can take advantage of that.

Hooker got hurt late 3rd or early 4th quarter.

 

[satcheluk]

Milton’s in the high 60s too right now. The more open your WRs are, the easier it is to pass.

He threw 82 passes. Completed 53, for a 64% percentage, which is lower than any of Hooker's last three seasons. Didn't look to see who he played like mop up duty against low level competition etc.

 

[NewWorldKat]

He threw 82 passes. Completed 53, for a 64% percentage, which is lower than any of Hooker's last three seasons. Didn't look to see who he played like mop up duty against low level competition etc.

Most came in the last two games of the season. One of which was a top 20 defense and he went off for 3 TDs and no picks. Wild what playing with the first team will do for ya. Not to mention his yards per attempt are a 12. Pray to God he doesn’t get up above 65% next season.

 

[Eccain01]

It certainly didn't hurt Pitt that UT had 3 TOs in the 2nd half and Hooker was a bit flat, missing some open receivers, but yes, agree, if you can stop the run with 5 in the box your chances of slowing the offense. Crowd noise helps too. Those 7-8 false starts/illegal procedures penalties against UGA kept the offense continuously behind the chains, which negatively impacts what any offense wants to do.

Well Pitts the one that forced them into those turnovers it’s not like Tennessee gave them the ball lol

 

[NewWorldKat]

Well Pitts the one that forced them into those turnovers it’s not like Tennessee gave them the ball lol

Well luckily, only one team we faced all year had a better defense than Pitt.

 

[White Wolf]

Well Pitts the one that forced them into those turnovers it’s not like Tennessee gave them the ball lol

Even if true, irrelevant to the point, which was that Pitt's defensive scheme shut down the UT offense in the 2nd half. LOL. But one of those fumbles for sure was an unforced fumble by the punt return man, which put Pitt in great position to tie the game and force OT, and also cost UT a possession. Can't remember the other 2 fumbles other than one was a fumble by Wright, ine of the RBs.

 

[3632]

it still comes down to getting qb pressure. It’s counterintuitive because most teams think ‘play it safe and keep everything in front’ etc but you have to make them throw it before they want to. UGA can do it with their front 4 but other teams have to make the choice and they tend to play conservatively instead of aggressively and that isn’t really the way to combat it.

 

[NewWorldKat]

it still comes down to getting qb pressure. It’s counterintuitive because most teams think ‘play it safe and keep everything in front’ etc but you have to make them throw it before they want to. UGA can do it with their front 4 but other teams have to make the choice and they tend to play conservatively instead of aggressively and that isn’t really the way to combat it.

Clemson tried to play like that.

 

[UKBrassowTipIN]

Boy I see all the Vol fans are all tore up about calling a gimmick offense a gimmick. Probably the best lou rant ever.

 

[cathouse]

The key to controlling Vols offense is to match up your best dbs on their best receivers regardless of whether they line up at x,y,z, slot, rb, or te.

And then get enough pressure on QB to force him to get rid of the ball before wr have time to run to open space downfield.

Heupel takes advantage of mismatches because of structured unflexible defenses.

 

[NewWorldKat]

The key to controlling Vols offense is to match up your best dbs on their best receivers regardless of whether they line up at x,y,z, slot, rb, or te.

And then get enough pressure on QB to force him to get rid of the ball before wr have time to run to open space downfield.

Heupel takes advantage of mismatches because of structured unflexible defenses.

Tennessee had 4 different receivers put up a 100 yard game. 2 put up multiple 100 yard games and they didn’t even throw it a ton. Plug one hole. They’ll bust out another.

 

[cathouse]

Tennessee had 4 different receivers put up a 100 yard game. 2 put up multiple 100 yard games and they didn’t even throw it a ton. Plug one hole. They’ll bust out another.

Awesome.
And ZERO -0- Vol receivers with 100 yards receiving against Georgia or South Carolina.
Remind me the outcome of those two games.

Oh yeah, Vols LOST both of those games, but I am sure you don't have a clue why you lost.

Here's a little hint. Georgia and USC were able to cover your superstar WRs with man coverage which allowed the D-line to get pressure on your QB.

Congratulations on taking our place as the SECOND best team in the East.

Get used to playing for second place. Kirby and Georgia isn't going anywhere for a while.

 

[NewWorldKat]

Awesome.
And ZERO -0- Vol receivers with 100 yards receiving against Georgia or South Carolina.
Remind me the outcome of those two games.

Oh yeah, Vols LOST both of those games, but I am sure you don't have a clue why you lost.

Here's a little hint. Georgia and USC were able to cover your superstar WRs with man coverage which allowed the D-line to get pressure on your QB.

Congratulations on taking our place as the SECOND best team in the East.

Get used to playing for second place. Kirby and Georgia isn't going anywhere for a while.

Sorry for what I said earlier. Kirby will not see this and send you a gift basket. You do know UGA is an opponent and a rival right? Never have a seen a fanbase so content on being another teams punching bag because they think one of UGAs posters are nice. Get you a junkyard account and see the trash they talk about y’all over there.

 

[cathouse]

Sorry for what I said earlier. Kirby will not see this and send you a gift basket. You do know UGA is an opponent and a rival right? Never have a seen a fanbase so content on being another teams punching bag because they think one of UGAs posters are nice. Get you a junkyard account and see the trash they talk about y’all over there.

1. Yes, I know Georgia is a rival.
2. I don't go to other rivals' boards for validation of my own team.
3. @Grumpyolddawg is a long-time poster here who actually talks football, is mostly respectful of OUR team, even though he has absolutely no reason to be, based on their dominance of us on the field, and doesn't come with the trash talk like the majority of Vol fans do on OUR site.
4. If you think me or any other UK fan is content with our program losing to Georgia or Tennessee or any other SEC foe, then you obviously don't read many of the posts on here.
5. Most UK football fans are realist and welcome discussion of strengths and weaknesses of not only our team but other teams as well. We often use stats and game results to do just that.
5. When facts and figures are given that don't support your narrative of the Vols being the greatest team in the world, you get angry and go down and dirty every single time.
6. Using the type language that you used in a post to another man is not very smart of you, and it speaks a lot about who you are as a person and your personal character as a human being.
7. I accept your apology but do not wish to engage with you anymore on this board. The mods should make you change your username.

I for one don't want other fans to come to this board and read your nasty posts and allow them to think that you are a Wildcat fan with the username like NewWorldKat.

I know you think that is clever and allows you to post crap that you would get banned for on your own site and you take advantage of our Mods who are very lenient with posters from other teams.

I respect what Kirby has done since taking over as HC at Georgia, and you should too, but you just can't, because you are a Vol fan. And you just can't figure out why the Vols are the most hated team and fanbase in the SEC. Respecting someone doesn't mean you are in love with them or that you are "expecting a Christmas gift basket" from them. If you would learn to respect your opponent when they have earned that respect, but that is not the Vol way.

Not sure how old you are, but you certainly need to grow up mentally, whatever age you are.

Have a nice day.

 

[White Wolf]

Awesome.
And ZERO -0- Vol receivers with 100 yards receiving against Georgia or South Carolina.
Remind me the outcome of those two games.

Oh yeah, Vols LOST both of those games, but I am sure you don't have a clue why you lost.

Here's a little hint. Georgia and USC were able to cover your superstar WRs with man coverage which allowed the D-line to get pressure on your QB.

UT scored 38 pts on 152 rushing yds and 355 passing yds. Other than the 2 wide open deep receivers Hooker missed on, the offense wasn't the real problem against SC.

 

[NewWorldKat]

UT scored 38 pts on 152 rushing yds and 355 passing yds. Other than the 2 wide open deep receivers Hooker missed on, the offense wasn't the real problem against SC.

Nah man. Tennessee fans don’t know football. 500 yards of offense and 38 points is bad. Didn’t you hear.

 

[cathouse]

Nah man. Tennessee fans don’t know football. 500 yards of offense and 38 points is bad. Didn’t you hear.

When it results in an L to a team you were heavily favored to beat, then it obviously wasn't " good enough".

The Vols choked in the biggest game of the decade, probably two decades, and it cost you a trip to the playoffs.

Spin it any way you want, but Georgia and USC dbs prevented your offense from winning those games and your defense couldn't hold serve either.

Great year for the Vols. Congratulations.

 

[White Wolf]

The Vols choked in the biggest game of the decade, probably two decades, and it cost you a trip to the playoffs.

Spin it any way you want, but Georgia and USC dbs prevented your offense from winning those games and your defense couldn't hold serve either.

Great year for the Vols. Congratulations.

I can't argue with that, but while the offense certainly wasn't at its peak that night, it was the defense that crapped the bed...for 60 minutes.

 

[NewWorldKat]

When it results in an L to a team you were heavily favored to beat, then it obviously wasn't " good enough".

The Vols choked in the biggest game of the decade, probably two decades, and it cost you a trip to the playoffs.

Spin it any way you want, but Georgia and USC dbs prevented your offense from winning those games and your defense couldn't hold serve either.

Great year for the Vols. Congratulations.

Cool. Tennessee fans don’t deny that. Defense sucked. They didn’t show up. Had off the field stuff going down. It woke something in them. Obviously they’re not screwing around anymore. Beasley is the leader of this defense now and he was knocking heads off in Miami. Crap. You’re a UK fan. Let me explain. Miami is where the Orange Bowl is. It’s a big time NY6 bowl. They’ve allowed 1 TD and 14 total points since USC. It’d be like me looking at y’all losing to us in 21 after scoring 40+ points and saying “That was on the offense.” You’d call me an idiot. Now look in the mirror.

 

[cathouse]

Cool. Tennessee fans don’t deny that. Defense sucked. They didn’t show up. Had off the field stuff going down. It woke something in them. Obviously they’re not screwing around anymore. Beasley is the leader of this defense now and he was knocking heads off in Miami. Crap. You’re a UK fan. Let me explain. Miami is where the Orange Bowl is. It’s a big time NY6 bowl. They’ve allowed 1 TD and 14 total points since USC. It’d be like me looking at y’all losing to us in 21 after scoring 40+ points and saying “That was on the offense.” You’d call me an idiot. Now look in the mirror.

If Vol fans don't think the offense had anything to do with the 60 USC scored you don't know football.

I don't have to look in the mirror to know you're an idiot.

End of conversation with you.
Ignore is your best friend. I'm going to use it, so post away. I won't see any of your BS.

 

[NewWorldKat]

If Vol fans don't think the offense had anything to do with the 60 USC scored you don't know football.

I don't have to look in the mirror to know you're an idiot.

End of conversation with you.
Ignore is your best friend. I'm going to use it, so post away. I won't see any of your BS.

Thank God. It’ll limit my need to argue with someone who would rather get shut out in Nashville and pretend to have a good defense. Out here acting dominant with your pitiful offense that scores 1 point more than your defense allows. Cry about our WRs some more. We will make sure NPA sends you some more bums.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

Try again. UT played Vandy in a pouring rain the entire game and put up 56.

I wasn't the one using rain as an excuse, but now you are saying rain doesn't effect UT when playing Vandy?

 

[White Wolf]

I wasn't the one using rain as an excuse,

No one did. You said UT's "high school offense was a fairweather offense" that couldn't operate in the rain. I don't blame you pretending to forget it. It was a baseless statement.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

You don’t know offenses then. Find me a HS running Heupels offense and I’ll find you 10 running Days.

His route tree is hs stuff, the speed and the spread is wider but it isn't complicated. Kirby has shut it down both seasons, 30 points in 2 games and 7 in garbage time this year. HS all over Georgia are running the same rout trees the vols are, just not the pace are gaps. You do understand rout trees and numbers right?

 

[NewWorldKat]

His route tree is hs stuff, the speed and the spread is wider but it isn't complicated. Kirby has shut it down both seasons, 30 points in 2 games and 7 in garbage time this year. HS all over Georgia are running the same rout trees the vols are, just not the pace are gaps. You do understand rout trees and numbers right?

Cool. He’s the only one and he’s literally got the most talented defense in America. If I took 13 shots at a target and I hit the bull eyes 12 of them, no one would call me a bad shot. But congrats UK fans. GimpyOldDog here cracked the case. Just sign 7 top 3 classes in a row and have 3 DCs and a DC for a HC and you can keep us out of your end zone.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

Cool. He’s the only one and he’s literally got the most talented defense in America. If I took 13 shots at a target and I hit the bull eyes 12 of them, no one would call me a bad shot. But congrats UK fans. GimpyOldDog here cracked the case. Just sign 7 top 3 classes in a row and have 3 DCs and a DC for a HC and you can keep us out of your end zone.

No. They would call you a choker. You can call me the same thing Chumlee calls Kirby. Daddy.

 

[NewWorldKat]

No. They would call you a choker. You can call me the same thing Chumlee calls Kirby. Daddy.

Won a Natty and Tennessee is still your superbowl.