Here’s the ACC ,BIG, and SEC solution

[Catfanlou]

To avoid paying 52 million exit fee and to allow big ten to stay with AAU schools here is the solution.

Duke, Virginia, and Pittsburgh and Notre Dame ( not AAU but exception ) go to big Ten.

Miami,Florida State,Virginia Tech, and Clemson all go to SEC.

Since they have eight votes they simply vote to change the exit fee,

they each increase their yearly take by thirty million plus per year ( conservative )

problem solved .

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

To avoid paying 52 million exit fee and to allow big ten to stay with AAU schools here is the solution.

Duke, Virginia, and Pittsburgh and Notre Dame ( not AAU but exception ) go to big Ten.

Miami,Florida State,Virginia Tech, and Clemson all go to SEC.

Since they have eight votes they simply vote to change the exit fee,

they each increase their yearly take by thirty million plus per year ( conservative )

problem solved .

I don't fully understand the ACC's GOR, but someone her posted the exit fee isn't the issue. But any media monies they earn is also handed over to the ACC. That makes no sense to me but poster is clearly better informed on it than I am.

 

[UKWildcats1987]

To avoid paying 52 million exit fee and to allow big ten to stay with AAU schools here is the solution.

Duke, Virginia, and Pittsburgh and Notre Dame ( not AAU but exception ) go to big Ten.

Miami,Florida State,Virginia Tech, and Clemson all go to SEC.

Since they have eight votes they simply vote to change the exit fee,

they each increase their yearly take by thirty million plus per year ( conservative )

problem solved .

So we add 3 teams in 2 states we already have a blue print in...would think we would want to add a NC State to get NC for example.

Everytime I keep seeing we may be headed to a 20 team "conference" I cannot emphasize how much of a joke that will be, at least in football scheduling. The SEC wants to keep adding teams but it is afraid to go to 9 or more conference games.

 

[VT/UK Rondo]

VT won't go anywhere without UVA because of politics and all 3 NC schools are tied in with the research triangle. That's a hard sale right now that might not be worth the risk and cost. The SEC already has a media footprint in SC,GA,FL so who knows.
Maybe Miami based on their National following?

 

[Catfanlou]

It’s a money thing . If all of the top 40 football programs are tied up in two conferences it makes the the TV contracts a lot more valuable (and everybody else’s less valuable . ) playoffs also controlled by two leagues instead of 5 . It’s all about money,money,miney

 

[The Public Enemy]

I don't fully understand the ACC's GOR, but someone her posted the exit fee isn't the issue. But any media monies they earn is also handed over to the ACC. That makes no sense to me but poster is clearly better informed on it than I am.

The Athletic this morning went over it with Merger and Acquisition Lawyer Mark Wilhelm. That ACC GoR is a BEAST.

From the Article:

*It’s no accident that UCLA and USC will join the Big Ten in 2024. That is exactly when the Pac-12 grant of rights expires.

The ACC agreement Wilhelm had — which is linked below in this story — is the original grant of rights. He obtained it in 2014 through an open records request to the University of North Carolina while writing that journal article. The agreement he received appears to be the copy that then-UNC chancellor Holden Thorp signed and sent back to the conference. The document contained signature pages for each school’s CEO, which would allow the signed pages to be combined into one fully executed document. The agreement was drafted in 2013 just after Louisville announced it would join the league and Notre Dame joined in all sports except football. Members were nervous after the Big Ten poached charter member Maryland, and at the time, their desire to keep the league intact superseded any interest in future flexibility. They were scared of the league being pillaged, and they wanted stability. That original agreement ran through June 30, 2027. It was amended in 2016 when the ACC extended its media rights deal with Disney/ESPN. That most recent deal allowed for the creation of the ACC Network. Multiple sources who have seen both said the language in the agreements is similar.

The first would be for the school to simply leave the conference and leave its rights behind. This is likely a non-starter because without its rights, that school is of considerably less value to another league. The new league wouldn’t be allowed to sell that school’s rights to a network, which likely would put an end to any potential marriage.

The second option is for the school to sue to try to get the rights back. This also would be exceptionally risky. “That’s going to be incredibly expensive,” Wilhelm said, “and there is not a lot of certainty that a school is going to win.”

Hope the league dissolves and the grant of rights dissolves with it. In the ACC, that would require the majority of the members to want to leave. That seems unlikely. But what about the Big 12 and Oklahoma and Texas? The Pac-12 could respond to the loss of USC and UCLA by trying to scoop up Big 12 members. The leagues could merge and form an entirely new entity. If that happened, the Sooners and Longhorns could be free to go.

Staples: How would a school challenge a grant of rights? We asked a lawyer

There are four ways to challenge such a deal. Most of them involve a lot of money and patience.

theathletic.com

 

[lazydave841]

Maybe Miami based on their National following

Miami has fairweather fans to the extreme. They have one of the most impressive 20 year runs in CFB, but they don't bring anything to the table right now that the conferences are looking for.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

The Athletic this morning went over it with Merger and Acquisition Lawyer Mark Wilhelm. That ACC GoR is a BEAST.

From the Article:

*It’s no accident that UCLA and USC will join the Big Ten in 2024. That is exactly when the Pac-12 grant of rights expires.

The ACC agreement Wilhelm had — which is linked below in this story — is the original grant of rights. He obtained it in 2014 through an open records request to the University of North Carolina while writing that journal article. The agreement he received appears to be the copy that then-UNC chancellor Holden Thorp signed and sent back to the conference. The document contained signature pages for each school’s CEO, which would allow the signed pages to be combined into one fully executed document. The agreement was drafted in 2013 just after Louisville announced it would join the league and Notre Dame joined in all sports except football. Members were nervous after the Big Ten poached charter member Maryland, and at the time, their desire to keep the league intact superseded any interest in future flexibility. They were scared of the league being pillaged, and they wanted stability. That original agreement ran through June 30, 2027. It was amended in 2016 when the ACC extended its media rights deal with Disney/ESPN. That most recent deal allowed for the creation of the ACC Network. Multiple sources who have seen both said the language in the agreements is similar.

The first would be for the school to simply leave the conference and leave its rights behind. This is likely a non-starter because without its rights, that school is of considerably less value to another league. The new league wouldn’t be allowed to sell that school’s rights to a network, which likely would put an end to any potential marriage.

The second option is for the school to sue to try to get the rights back. This also would be exceptionally risky. “That’s going to be incredibly expensive,” Wilhelm said, “and there is not a lot of certainty that a school is going to win.”

Hope the league dissolves and the grant of rights dissolves with it. In the ACC, that would require the majority of the members to want to leave. That seems unlikely. But what about the Big 12 and Oklahoma and Texas? The Pac-12 could respond to the loss of USC and UCLA by trying to scoop up Big 12 members. The leagues could merge and form an entirely new entity. If that happened, the Sooners and Longhorns could be free to go.

Staples: How would a school challenge a grant of rights? We asked a lawyer

There are four ways to challenge such a deal. Most of them involve a lot of money and patience.

theathletic.com

Hard to believe schools agreed to that. But it's becoming pretty clear some attorneys are going to make some big bucks out of this.

Thanks for posting that.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

Miami has fairweather fans to the extreme. They have one of the most impressive 20 year runs in CFB, but they don't bring anything to the table right now that the conferences are looking for.

I don't think it's so much about what they bring athletically to the conference but gets the SEC in a major market.

 

[Cobb4uk]

I don't fully understand the ACC's GOR, but someone her posted the exit fee isn't the issue. But any media monies they earn is also handed over to the ACC. That makes no sense to me but poster is clearly better informed on it than I am.

Amazingly the GOR stays in effect until 2036. Does anyone see law suits coming?

 

[Cobb4uk]

To avoid paying 52 million exit fee and to allow big ten to stay with AAU schools here is the solution.

Duke, Virginia, and Pittsburgh and Notre Dame ( not AAU but exception ) go to big Ten.

Miami,Florida State,Virginia Tech, and Clemson all go to SEC.

Since they have eight votes they simply vote to change the exit fee,

they each increase their yearly take by thirty million plus per year ( conservative )

problem solved .

Money is the name of the game, in today's world. TV markets rule now, just look at the TV market at USC & UCLA, the Big 1 and little 9, as I used to cal them got the bell cow of markets. We may be surprised how all this works out. It would be interesting if the SEC and ACC combined in some fashion, that would so up the Soutern and East coast markets. IMO the NC, Va., and maybe Pitt in the Pa. market would be major. Ofcourse with Clemson being in SC is a no brainer and if that happened ND might look hard at the SEC. There are teams that the SEC wouldn't want to take, maybe those could combine with another conference. This is going to be a bumpy road for a while.

 

[JDHoss]

Miami has fairweather fans to the extreme. They have one of the most impressive 20 year runs in CFB, but they don't bring anything to the table right now that the conferences are looking for.

They have one of the worst fan bases in college football in terms of support. It creates a terrible atmosphere for home games when the visitors outnumber your already small home crowd.

 

[billue]

speaking of fans. what would be the over/under for fights when UT and Miami played every year. lol

 

[lazydave841]

I don't think it's so much about what they bring athletically to the conference but gets the SEC in a major market.

I'm pretty sure the SEC already has Miami market by virtue of UF Gators. Could be wrong though. I'm not super hip to the market game. I've seen it mentioned that Rutgers brought NYC market and the Scarlett Knights aren't in NY.

They have one of the worst fan bases in college football in terms of support. It creates a terrible atmosphere for home games when the visitors outnumber your already small home crowd.

Tearing down the old Orange Bowl and having an off stadium campus was terrible. It's a pro town at heart. A la Pittsburgh. They give fans fountain drinks as rewards for staying til the end.

 

[gojvc]

I don't think it's so much about what they bring athletically to the conference but gets the SEC in a major market.

If that’s all that matters then try to one-up the B1G to get UCLA and/or USC.

 

[Lamar Card]

To avoid paying 52 million exit fee and to allow big ten to stay with AAU schools here is the solution.

Duke, Virginia, and Pittsburgh and Notre Dame ( not AAU but exception ) go to big Ten.

Miami,Florida State,Virginia Tech, and Clemson all go to SEC.

Since they have eight votes they simply vote to change the exit fee,

they each increase their yearly take by thirty million plus per year ( conservative )

problem solved .

That is the exact scenario that the GOR is designed to prevent. The exit fee is not the road block. If a school leaves the ACC the GOR forfeits all media rights to the remaining ACC members until 2036. That is the poison pill.

 

[Lamar Card]

Hard to believe schools agreed to that. But it's becoming pretty clear some attorneys are going to make some big bucks out of this.

Thanks for posting that.

The schools agreed to it because the Tobacco Road schools wished to hold on to their positions of power in leading/ruling the ACC and at that time did not want to chance becoming second tier power members in the SEC or Big10. That thought may change, but the GOR is designed to prevent changing conferences.

 

[The Public Enemy]

That is the exact scenario that the GOR is designed to prevent. The exit fee is not the road block. If a chool leaves the ACC the GOR forfeits all media rights to the remaining ACC members until 2036. That is the poison pill.

Exactly ... that is the poison pill for the school leaving and the conference that might be gaining a school. It makes that school kind of worthless. This is the reason why Texas and Oklahoma are not in the SEC this year because they are tied to the Big XII Grant of Rights until 2025.

 

[JDHoss]

I'm pretty sure the SEC already has Miami market by virtue of UF Gators. Could be wrong though. I'm not super hip to the market game. I've seen it mentioned that Rutgers brought NYC market and the Scarlett Knights aren't in NY.


Tearing down the old Orange Bowl and having an off stadium campus was terrible. It's a pro town at heart. A la Pittsburgh. They give fans fountain drinks as rewards for staying til the end.

It's absolutely a pro sports town. We live in south Florida, and you'll see way more pro (mostly NFL) apparel, car tags, decals, and flags than you will college teams.

 

[bucsrule8872]

Couldn’t they circumvent the GoR if the entire league merged with another league?

What if the entire ACC joined the Big 10 or SEC?

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

I'm pretty sure the SEC already has Miami market by virtue of UF Gators. Could be wrong though. I'm not super hip to the market game. I've seen it mentioned that Rutgers brought NYC market and the Scarlett Knights aren't in NY.


Tearing down the old Orange Bowl and having an off stadium campus was terrible. It's a pro town at heart. A la Pittsburgh. They give fans fountain drinks as rewards for staying til the end.

I don't think the UF Market includes Miami. Miami like GT is a private school and many of its alumni are not even citizens. But not all. I have a friend who is a recent GT grad, valedictorian in fact. He got his first job through internship and began at 180k starting salary. But he couldn't tell you who the head coach at GT was, how many games they won or lost.

 

[College#19]

I listen to someone today that is a UNC Grad and he thinks the ACC is going to come out swinging. He seems convinced the ACC is going to go several of the PAC 12 schools and some of the Big12 schools.

 

[gojvc]

I listen to someone today that is a UNC Grad and he thinks the ACC is going to come out swinging. He seems convinced the ACC is going to go several of the PAC 12 schools and some of the Big12 schools.

Yeah but all of the good ones are taken.

 

[The Public Enemy]

Yeah but all of the good ones are taken.

At this point the ACC best play since we are “STUCK” with each other due to the GoR is to basically go after the interested Big XII/Pac 12 schools that have a low shot at a SEC/Big Ten invite. That means schools like Arizona, Arizona State, Iowa State, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Kansas State, TCU, West Virginia, Cincinnati, UCF, Utah and make a long shot play for Stanford, Oregon, Washington and Cal.

We are officially in the P2 era ... the ACC best play is to beat the Pac 12 and Big XII to be the best of the “Middle Level Managers” ... that is the ACC Competition.

 

[Perrin75]

ESPN has the TV contracts for both the SEC and the ACC. The ACC is locked in at a very affordable rate for a very long time. Why would they have any interest in seeing that Conference broken up? Why would they be willing to renegotiate with the SEC to have these teams earn more money, and to also see teams they currently control move over to FOX or Amazon or whomever it is that gets the Big 10 contract?

The ACC is locked, and I don't see anything unlocking it.

 

[BigRedMachineBigBlueNation]

To avoid paying 52 million exit fee and to allow big ten to stay with AAU schools here is the solution.

Duke, Virginia, and Pittsburgh and Notre Dame ( not AAU but exception ) go to big Ten.

Miami,Florida State,Virginia Tech, and Clemson all go to SEC.

Since they have eight votes they simply vote to change the exit fee,

they each increase their yearly take by thirty million plus per year ( conservative )

problem solved .

Can’t see UNC being left out

 

[Bluesnky]

ESPN has the TV contracts for both the SEC and the ACC. The ACC is locked in at a very affordable rate for a very long time. Why would they have any interest in seeing that Conference broken up? Why would they be willing to renegotiate with the SEC to have these teams earn more money, and to also see teams they currently control move over to FOX or Amazon or whomever it is that gets the Big 10 contract?

The ACC is locked, and I don't see anything unlocking it.

If the ACC went away and it’s best teams joined the SEC, that would be a great outcome for ESPN.

 

[Catfan in Tn.]

Phil Knight has preferred landing spot for Oregon in conference realignment

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www.on3.com

Phil Knight wants Oregon in the Big 10 or SEC.

 

[The-Hack]

If the ACC went away and it’s best teams joined the SEC, that would be a great outcome for ESPN.

The primary point of the prior poster is that Clemson and FSU games cost ESPN about half of what they will pay if Clemson and FSU join the conference.

If I’m ESPN, I think I can better afford the massive SEC contract if I have a profitable one on the side with a lesser conference.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

I listen to someone today that is a UNC Grad and he thinks the ACC is going to come out swinging. He seems convinced the ACC is going to go several of the PAC 12 schools and some of the Big12 schools.

I can't imagine anyone wanting any part of that ACC TV contract. I know Clemson fans want out, so do others, but I suspect Duke and UNC would Ike to keep it together.

 

[Magilla Gorillla]

To avoid paying 52 million exit fee and to allow big ten to stay with AAU schools here is the solution.

Duke, Virginia, and Pittsburgh and Notre Dame ( not AAU but exception ) go to big Ten.

Miami,Florida State,Virginia Tech, and Clemson all go to SEC.

Since they have eight votes they simply vote to change the exit fee,

they each increase their yearly take by thirty million plus per year ( conservative )

problem solved .

Current SEC members would take a paycut in this scenario. They would never go for this many redundant schools.

 

[jameslee32]

FSU and Clemson to the SEC is only a matter of time. I'd guess Miami gets left out. If the All Cheaters Conference can't keep the NC schools they are done. Hard to say what the B1G does since geography doesn't matter. Syracuse, Oregon and ND make the most sense perhaps.