Hendon Hooker vs Will Levis through 4 games.

[Girthang]

Hooker benefits from playing in a gimmicky offense that pads a bunch of stats. Put Hooker in a pro style offense and he wouldn’t have half the stats he has. Levis is a far better QB, there’s a reason scouts are drooling over him. Stick Levis in that hurry up, spread offense and he would put up ungodly numbers.

I don't see it as a "gimmicky" offense, since it puts up numbers on almost every team they face. I do know that hooker struggled against US In whatever offense they ran at VT, but we also limited their TOP with Lynn Bowden running up and down both sides of them.

Now, if Stoops and White find a way to shut down this UT offense or just keep them out of the end zone as much, however many games from now that is, then I will agree that it is gimmicky

 

[WyleECoyote]

Then you really have to make a decision. Do you want to him to hang in the pocket to make the big plays down field, the ones that need 3-4 seconds to develop? Or do you want him to bail to try to pick up yardage running the ball? Most have been clamoring for big plays in the passing game...

Right now good teams are playing gap discipline to try to prevent it. They're strategically bringing the house like NIU did and maintaining lanes of attack to try to limit his scrambling. We need to keep teams off balance of course to prevent them stacking the box or dropping deep, but we have to decide on and perfect a blocking scheme (or two).

You likely know all this already, and I'm not saying it well because of lack of time

My comment wasn't that I want Will scrambling more, my comment was more about people saying the coaches don't want to run him for fear of injury. Well if hes gonna be taking hits just standing in the pocket waiting on stuff to develop, I'd rather take the hits while he's gaining yardage instead of losing it. Ideally, I'd rather we just protect him better and hit the pass plays and not have him taking ANY hits, but if he's gonna get hit 8-10 times, I'd rather some of them be for passing yardage.

 

[WyleECoyote]

I don't see it as a "gimmicky" offense, since it puts up numbers on almost every team they face. I do know that hooker struggled against US In whatever offense they ran at VT, but we also limited their TOP with Lynn Bowden running up and down both sides of them.

Now, if Stoops and White find a way to shut down this UT offense or just keep them out of the end zone as much, however many games from now that is, then I will agree that it is gimmicky

Tempo in and of itself is a gimmick, but not all gimmicks are created equally, some have merit others do not. Tempo has to have merit or teams wouldn't do it so often.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

I don't see it as a "gimmicky" offense, since it puts up numbers on almost every team they face. I do know that hooker struggled against US In whatever offense they ran at VT, but we also limited their TOP with Lynn Bowden running up and down both sides of them.

Now, if Stoops and White find a way to shut down this UT offense or just keep them out of the end zone as much, however many games from now that is, then I will agree that it is gimmicky

Like any offense, from the wishbone to the HUNH offense the defense has to play disciplined. With the wishbone the defender assigned to the dive man had to take him, same for QB and pitch man. Against UT and their version of the HUNH, the defender has to hustle to his position after making a play, not posing or pounding his chest because the vols will snap it before he is in position for a big gain or TD.

 

[Bluegrass79]

10 bucks says Will Levis has at least 50 yards rushing in this game. I believe they have avoided running the ball with Levis on purpose. Just for this damn game.
Because they could have ran the ball with Levis alot more alot more! Nope. They let him throw it. But watch against Ole Miss. He'll be a battering ram like against Louisville.
They just needed Rodriguez back. Now the full offense will come to bear.

As far as the thread I respect Hooker. I need to see the complete season to see who's better.
They're both going to be playing in the NFL that's for damn sure.
Different types of quarterback. Harder to tell.
Levis should have the numbers edge because of his receivers by the end of the season. Key, Robinson, Brown are draftable receiver talent so far this year.

 

[Girthang]

Tempo in and of itself is a gimmick, but not all gimmicks are created equally, some have merit others do not. Tempo has to have merit or teams wouldn't do it so often.

I don't see tempo as a gimmick. I think it's a tool. Preventing subs, keeping the D off balance and tired, keeping them from relaying calls in quickly enough... It has its advantages. If a team sucks at running tempo and uses it anyway, then it becomes just a gimmick. Kind of like the "air raid"

 

[Bluegrass79]

I don't see tempo as a gimmick. I think it's a tool. Preventing subs, keeping the D off balance and tired, keeping them from relaying calls in quickly enough... It has its advantages. If a team sucks at running tempo and uses it anyway, then it becomes just a gimmick. Kind of like the "air raid"

I think preventing subs is cheating. And dangerous for the player injury.

Matter of fact I would make 'no huddle' only 2 minutes and under. Ever.

A strict no huddle offense I think should be illegal but hey if it worked all the time everybody would be using it.

But to me I think no huddle hurry up offense "all the time" makes me feel like Aaron Rodgers and him trying to get people off sides and get a free play so everybody's off balance and he gets a touchdown pass. Its not right.
"Cheap football" suits the color orange pretty good 🍊

 

[Girthang]

I think preventing subs is cheating. And dangerous for the player injury.

Matter of fact I would make 'no huddle' only 2 minutes and under. Ever

It doesn't "prevent subs," but it makes other teams reluctant to sub because they could snap the ball before they're in position. "Preventing subs" is a figure of speech.

Football is dangerous.

It's not cheating to go no huddle or uptempo. It's well within the rules. In fact, they have bent the rules to stop teams from snapping the ball too quickly many times. If you don't want to get to the line right away, don't play football. If you aren't in good enough shape to do so, GET IN BETTER SHAPE.

You have so many seconds to snap the ball. There's no rule that says you have to wait x number of seconds before you snap it. Never has been.

 

[Bluegrass79]

It doesn't "prevent subs," but it makes other teams reluctant to sub because they could snap the ball before they're in position. "Preventing subs" is a figure of speech.

Football is dangerous.

It's not cheating to go no huddle or uptempo. It's well within the rules. In fact, they have bent the rules to stop teams from snapping the ball too quickly many times. If you don't want to get to the line right away, don't play football. If you aren't in good enough shape to do so, GET IN BETTER SHAPE.

You have so many seconds to snap the ball. There's no rule that says you have to wait x number of seconds before you snap it. Never has been.

I guess that's what they make timeouts for. You can stop any quick playing with the time out.

But you literally see teams trying to play so fast that guys can't get out. Trying to catch 12 on the field and all that kind of shit is cheap football to me

 

[White Wolf]

Levis should have the numbers edge because of his receivers by the end of the season. Key, Robinson, Brown are draftable receiver talent so far this year.

This should be true for Hooker as well with Tillman, McCoy, and Hyatt, who have each already had 100+ yards receiving games already this season. And possibly Keyton as well if he continues to play like he did in the UF game, though when Tillman returns someone's PT will shrink some.

 

[SECCountry75]

When Lynn Bowden's Kentucky team beat Virginia Tech in the 2019 Belk Bowl, I was not impressed with Hendon Hooker.

Now I think Hooker is possibly the best Qback in the SEC, maybe even as talented and aggressive as BYoung. This goes to show that young players learn and get better with time. Sometimes a lot better, like Hooker. It is worth stressing, because it is common for some of our fans to judge and give up on young players before they get their learning opportunities. Darius West and Jordan Wright have been examples. Now I am concerned La'Vell Wright may be receiving a similar premature judgment.

 

[fabcat]

Like any offense, from the wishbone to the HUNH offense the defense has to play disciplined. With the wishbone the defender assigned to the dive man had to take him, same for QB and pitch man. Against UT and their version of the HUNH, the defender has to hustle to his position after making a play, not posing or pounding his chest because the vols will snap it before he is in position for a big gain or TD.

Yeah against Tenn you have to get lined up fast. Once you get lined up right it’s just playing football. Where they get teams is when they don’t get lined up right. They’re out of place and lose leverage. Also, they spread their #2 on the numbers and number 1 between numbers and sideline. It’s unconventional how far they spread you. As a defense you have to be focused and disciplined. Keep them behind the chains and it will slow them down.

 

[bluecoon1]

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Hooker beat Pitt on the road which is more impressive than any win UK has this year especially if Florida finishes 6-6 or 7-5.

Doesn’t mean Levis winning big road games won’t flip the script for him but also have to keep in mind competition too. Two MAC schools, FCS team, and possible an average Florida team make the team grade incomplete to many.

Pitt should have lost at home to a pedestrian WVU team that would finish in the bottom third of the SEC at best. Not taking anything away from Hooker because he’s a really good QB but Pitt is not a great team and would lose to UF.

 

[yoshukai]

Since there is all this Heisman hype for Hendon Hooker apparently, I looked at Levis's stats and compared them.

Hooker 71.7% Completion, 1193 yards passing, 8 TD, sacked 8 times, 175 yards rushing, 3 TD, 0 INT

Levis 67.5% Completion. 1185 yards passing, 10 TD, sacked 16 times, -37 yards rushing, 2 TD, 4 INT

So Levis has 1 more total TD, and sacks have taken his rushing yardage away, but Levis and Hooker are very even otherwise in numbers.

Several of the sacks are on Will , however.

 

[YaketySax]

Pitt should have lost at home to a pedestrian WVU team that would finish in the bottom third of the SEC at best. Not taking anything away from Hooker because he’s a really good QB but Pitt is not a great team and would lose to UF.

Maybe but as far as resumes go Pitt is 3-1 and ranked 24th and Florida is 2-2. Resumes don't get ranked on what should have happened but what did actually happen.

 

[bluecoon1]

Maybe but as far as resumes go Pitt is 3-1 and ranked 24th and Florida is 2-2. Resumes don't get ranked on what should have happened but what did actually happen.

I understand but besides WVU they beat Western Illinois and Rhode Island so I think Florida has the better resume with a win over Utah and keeping it close against the #8 and #9 teams in the nation.

 

[Bluegrass79]

1 thing NFL scouts know about Levis. He can throw the ball decent enough while getting pressure in his face . A lots of times the NFL has no idea what's going to happen when they throw a rookie quarterback out there and guys are rushing at him.
They also got feel really good about his durability. Levis could play 15 years. He has the frame to last.
Some dudes have been destroyed mentally in the preseason before they ever even played a damn game.