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Has Murray's Committment Signaled to Future Recruits That Cal is "Back"?

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I know some on the board have pointed to the fact that the platoon system tarnished some of the shine off of UK for the elites . . . quite the opposite of what we've grown accustomed to the last few seasons. In your opinion, since Cal didn't run the board this last signing period, was this the necessary addition you'd been waiting (hoping?) for to reestablish bragging rights, or were you always in the "We'd be 'The Best' without Murray too" camp?
 
Can't hurt. Murray might also be able to get in Maker's ear if he has a great UK experience
 
Signaled that Cal is back??? Where did he ever go?
So he missed on a few recruits, he still ended up with the #1 recruiting class didn't he? Or am I missing something?
You would have a point if we lost all those recruits to other top programs but that's not what happened.
 
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It's not going to shut up negative recruiting. Our rivals will just go after something else to talk smack on us about to recruits.

It does provide a buzz for a while since we landed a big time recruit. That will fade as we get into late summer. Buzz will start back up when we start kicking azz next season. ;)
 
WE HAVE THE #1 CLASS.... AGAIN!!!

Yeah some of the kids made weird choices this year, and there is a lot that goes into those choices so we may never know what caused the misses. However even the best of schools/coaches have down years where they drop to (heaven help us) 5th or 6th in recruiting.

So are we saying that if we aren't ranked #1 or #2 EVERY SINGLE YEAR that Cal has lost it? As a fan base we are so spoiled. Threads like this frustrate me.
 
I heard some up and coming recruits talking at an AAU game earlier today..

Recruit 1 "Did you know Coach Cal has like 5 or 6 straight #1 recruiting classes?"

Recruit 2 "How lame!"

Jamal Murray "I'm committing to the university of Kentucky."

Recruit 1 & 2 "WOW, CAL IS AWESOME!!!"
 
Murray or no Murray, all the ill effects of negative recruiting due to the platoon system would have been completely washed away by Friday morning, when the world would have woken up to four former UK players landing lottery pick contracts on limited playing time in their college careers. Now we just get Murray AND that. And it's so freaking sweet I can't even stand it.
 
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KYtotheCore said:
I know some on the board have pointed to the fact that the platoon system tarnished some of the shine off of UK for the elites . . . quite the opposite of what we've grown accustomed to the last few seasons. In your opinion, since Cal didn't run the board this last signing period, was this the necessary addition you'd been waiting (hoping?) for to reestablish bragging rights, or were you always in the "We'd be 'The Best' without Murray too" camp?
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is cal back??? Are you sniffing airplane glue? uk was one of las vegas's three favorites to win it all even before murray announced today. i think cal is right where we expected him to be.
 
blubo said:
is cal back??? Are you sniffing airplane glue? uk was one of las vegas's three favorites to win it all even before murray announced today. i think cal is right where we expected him to be.
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Actually, I never said I thought he went anywhere. I asked your opinion. The title of the thread was based on the last month or so of reading this board.
 
I know what you meant.

This certainly helps stop the bleeding, whatever the reason was for it; however, it will not stop the negative recruiting and I'm sure the NBA will keep calling.
 
KYtotheCore said:
Actually, I never said I thought he went anywhere. I asked your opinion. The title of the thread was based on the last month or so of reading this board.
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i know, i didn't mean the criticism to be directed at you alone. i just can't find any justification at even addressing the notion that anyone could think cal has lost an edge after putting together a number two class (before today) that's one of the favorites to win a nc.
 
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blubo said:
i know, i didn't mean the criticism to be directed at you alone. i just can't find any justification at even addressing the notion that anyone could think cal has lost an edge after putting together a number two class (before today) that's one of the favorites to win a nc.
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Gotcha . . . I haven't perceived he ever lost his touch but man it was hard watching all those other caps being put on after the last few signing classes. Glad to see another bright spot today.
 
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blubo said:
i know, i didn't mean the criticism to be directed at you alone. i just can't find any justification at even addressing the notion that anyone could think cal has lost an edge after putting together a number two class (before today) that's one of the favorites to win a nc.
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eh.....that's hyperbole.

Some were just noticing that Cal lost more recruits in one late signing period than he's lost since his early memphis days. No ones been saying he's lost an edge, just noticing the obvious. It's just an observation that's relative to his past performance at UK. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
brdmn22 said:
Does airplane glue give you a good high? If so, where can I get it?
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.S&C. said:
eh.....that's hyperbole.

Some were just noticing that Cal lost more recruits in one late signing period than he's lost since his early memphis days. No ones been saying he's lost an edge, just noticing the obvious. It's just an observation that's relative to his past performance at UK. Nothing more, nothing less.
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I think Cal and the staff just targeted some players in the spring that clearly wanted no part of being at UK.It takes a special player that is willing to sacrifice for the betterment of the team.What most don't realize is that you can accomplish everything you want at UK and be NBA draft picks still be a part of something special by accepting the team concept.While we "missed " out on some 5 star players in the spring,I think we will be very pleased with the team we will see this upcoming season.
 
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I know what you meant.

This certainly helps stop the bleeding, whatever the reason was for it; however, it will not stop the negative recruiting and I'm sure the NBA will keep calling.
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Hopefully it helps but back when Cuz and Wall was coming in, their big question was can the best players at their position play as a team and Cal showed it could work. Later the question came can you play 10 really good players and make them happy, and again Cal made it work. The only difference between the first team and the last team was playing time, and that seemed to the deciding factor for players in this year's class of recruits. But going back to the problems of the first team is trying to find good players to come off the bench because its a need. Solving last year team's problems, the best have to get the minutes which means when you get a couple of the best, the others are worried that they lose minutes. Recruiting seems easier then this but after this season its seems really hard to maintain.
 
I think it signals that no matter how many guys turn us down and how questionable things were looking, you can still count on Cal to pull a rabbit out of his hat and make everything alright. I think this helps quiet down the worrying "trend" of having UK make the final cut-- perhaps for added publicity-- only for the recruit to go elsewhere. UK is still a cool choice, and the more NBA success our guys have the cooler we're going to get.

Of course we got very lucky that there was a player of Murray's caliber available to reclassify at the last minute, but sometimes all you need is a little luck and perfect timing. This has to be particularly deflating for our rivals who thought there was a chance we might take a few steps back next season since we wouldn't be as deep. Heh, nope, we're still going to be right there in the list of true contenders from start to finish. This is a team built to win in March and April.
 
KYtotheCore said:
I know some on the board have pointed to the fact that the platoon system tarnished some of the shine off of UK for the elites . . . quite the opposite of what we've grown accustomed to the last few seasons. In your opinion, since Cal didn't run the board this last signing period, was this the necessary addition you'd been waiting (hoping?) for to reestablish bragging rights, or were you always in the "We'd be 'The Best' without Murray too" camp?
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Back from where..........anyone who questions Coach is not right. He has had the top recruiting classes since he has been here. The best part about it is every team has had a different makeup, different styles, different kinds of skills. Can't wait to see how he puts this group together and the style of play. Another exciting season to come.
 
Cal was, is and will continue to be "THE MAN" when it comes to recruiting!!! NEVER count him out even up into the summer! Those other kids that went elsewhere will now learn the hard way that going anywhere other than UK is a HUGE mistake!!
 
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KYtotheCore said:
Gotcha . . . I haven't perceived he ever lost his touch but man it was hard watching all those other caps being put on after the last few signing classes. Glad to see another bright spot today.
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I know what you were asking but let's just see how good a season this guys that put on other caps have and then we will see just how good Cal will recruit in 2016.
 
Basically Murray replaces the spots that Newman/Brown were recruited for from the beginning. If one of those 2 guys were here...Murray would not be and this is the strength of Cal...When he does miss on a kid, he is quickly able to get in on another highly rated kid

- Doron Lamb when we missed on Will Barton
- Brandon Knight when we missed on Kyrie Irving
- Terrence Jones when we missed on CJ Leslie
- Devin Booker when we missed on James Blackmon/Stanley Johnson
- Enes Kanter when we missed on a ton of bigs in that class (Dejuan Coleman, Adriene Payne)
- Ullis when we missed on Muddily
- etc...

About the only spot we didn't fill at all was a big/banger type of inside player...Zimmerman and Diallo we never did get a plan B for. Maybe Wynard reclassifying will do just that. But all in all, Cal casts a wide net which helps him have a helluva roster even when missing quite a bit is apparent.
 
Lol...He was never gone.

He was just having a bad run of luck for a few months in recruiting. That does not equate to being gone or being out of the limelight. What the Murray commitment does signal as that no recruit is safe when Cal locks in on him (of course, most coaches already know this). So, no matter how late Cal gets in on a recruitment, if he wants a kid, and puts the full press on him, there's at least a GOOD chance that Kentucky will be a finalist for the kids destination.
 
Sithlyone said:
WE HAVE THE #1 CLASS.... AGAIN!!!

Yeah some of the kids made weird choices this year, and there is a lot that goes into those choices so we may never know what caused the misses. However even the best of schools/coaches have down years where they drop to (heaven help us) 5th or 6th in recruiting.

So are we saying that if we aren't ranked #1 or #2 EVERY SINGLE YEAR that Cal has lost it? As a fan base we are so spoiled. Threads like this frustrate me.
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Yeap.
 
Cal never went anywhere. I think all the late misses were just a combo of things. One thing I mentioned in another thread was the returning of some 5 stars to UK. I think that took a hit for Cal bc he is known as a one and done. I think what will help is what has always help Cal since he arrived, getting guys to the pros and guys drafted higher than expected when they arrive on campus. If Booker gets drafted top 10 tonight, that will help UK. Booker wasn't even considered a one and done. Even through KAT was being considered #1 before he even lazily walked on campus, he was not in Dec and here Cal is going to likely have the #1 pick again.

What can you say? The past two seasons UK hasn't had a bunch of guys go pro. It's good for UK in the short term but I think it took a hit with several recruits coupled with a little fear of another platoon system. Last year's platoon was built from returning guys after everyone had committed. It's easier to get guys to buy in once they are already here. It's not that easy to talk guys into coming here if other top guys haven't decided either and they play the same position. Brown was the only one that didn't fit into that category. Murray was the last on the list. He knows he's going to start and play and nobody else can come in and fill his position. You couldn't always say that for the other 5 or 6 guys.
 
Nah, but it does show that Murray truly got the full Cal treatment and it worked.
 
KYtotheCore said:
I know some on the board have pointed to the fact that the platoon system tarnished some of the shine off of UK for the elites . . . quite the opposite of what we've grown accustomed to the last few seasons. In your opinion, since Cal didn't run the board this last signing period, was this the necessary addition you'd been waiting (hoping?) for to reestablish bragging rights, or were you always in the "We'd be 'The Best' without Murray too" camp?
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Recruits weren't choosing other schools because they thought there was a problem with Cal. they chose them because they were better fits for what they wanted to do. You give recruits too much credit. They don't pay attention to the same stupid crap that message board people pay attention to. They don't have some running ticker in their brain of hits and misses.
 
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