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Hagans declares for the NBA draft

Timeframing makes a difference. If you look at just the last 4 years, Duke didn’t start going the one and done route until 2016, it looks much different. Most of the guys they lost went first round.

However, you're list of Duke players has some major issues for this discussion:

You listed Kyle Singler, Demarcus Nelson and Amile Jefferson, they left Duke after 4 years, they exhausted their eligibility, then tried their hand at the draft. I'm not sure why they are on your list, Duke didn’t "lose them to the GL"

Bolden left after his Junior year and let's be honest, he was terrible and had reached his ceiling. I think we can all agree on that.

Had to do some research on Czyz, he shouldn't be on your list either, he played 2 seasons for Duke (08-10), then he transferred to Nevada, where he played 2 more years, so he also exhausted his eligibility. Duke lost him to transfer, not the GL.

I'm not sure why Alex Murphy is on your list, he played at Duke for 2 years, transferred to Florida for 2 years, then played a 5th year at Northeastern. He also exhausted his college eligibility.

I guess maybe you didn't realize this, but we were talking about freshmen and Sophomores that left early for the GL. You got all the UK players correct, but most of the Duke guys you listed played 4 years in college before entering the draft.

Thanks, you helped me prove my point.
Interesting. Facts hurt your agenda and you try to change the discussion as usual. One thing is for sure you are flexible. When someone calls you out you come up with another position. Rubber man.
 
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I feel so sorry for you. You will never be happy. The only solution for you would be for Cal to quit recruiting the best players he can get. Your head is so hard it must be made of rock.

He badly needs to tell strangers on the internet how smart he thinks he is, day in day out. It’s beyond pathetic.
 
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I wish we had Barnes from UT. Wait, he’s never accomplished anything.

Roy Williams is great, we should’ve had him. How’s he doing the last couple of years?

Where’s Pitino?

Remember when Kevin Ollie was the next great coach? Where’s he?

Pearl is a great motivator. Didn’t he just finally crack the final four for the first time?

How are the Miller brothers doing?

Bill self is great! Besides the pay for play scandal and current investigation.

The Cards gave a great new coach. You know, the coach who isn’t even ranked in the top 25 next year?

Some of you don’t know how good we have it.
Be careful. Talking good about Cal will bring down the wrath of Kyjeff and UKfaninNC.
 
Interesting. Facts hurt your agenda and you try to change the discussion as usual. One thing is for sure you are flexible. When someone calls you out you come up with another position. Rubber man.
Reread my post. Most of the Duke players he listed went to the GL after 4 years of college. All the UK players he listed were freshmen or sophomores. Those are the facts buddy. Heck, two of those duke players were guys that transferred out of duke and played their remaining college years at other schools before going to the GL, AFTER they exhausted their eligibility.

Did you even read my post? It doesn't look like you did.
 
Be careful. Talking good about Cal will bring down the wrath of Kyjeff and UKfaninNC.
Nobody is asking for Cal to be replaced, I have said that about a hundred times on here, but keep on being ignorant.
 
I wish we had Barnes from UT. Wait, he’s never accomplished anything.

Roy Williams is great, we should’ve had him. How’s he doing the last couple of years?

Where’s Pitino?

Remember when Kevin Ollie was the next great coach? Where’s he?

Pearl is a great motivator. Didn’t he just finally crack the final four for the first time?

How are the Miller brothers doing?

Bill self is great! Besides the pay for play scandal and current investigation.

The Cards gave a great new coach. You know, the coach who isn’t even ranked in the top 25 next year?

Some of you don’t know how good we have it.
Who's asking for Cal to be fired and replaced? Call those posters out and we'll have it out with them. I haven't seen anyone asking to have Cal replaced.
 
Just complain and complain but I really don't mean what I say. I get it.
So you're saying I've said I want Cal replaced?

So, because I want guys to return to UK until they are legit first round picks, I'm the bad guy?

Hate me all you want, but if you want UK to win titles, something has to change. I'm making a fuss because next years team could be Cal's best, but that only happens if some key players return. If only Brooks returns, we're not a FF team. Apparently you are good with that. But that doesn't surprise me Focker, dudes that display 9th place ribbons aren’t used to winning.
 
Instead of refining his skills for the best program in the country, he opts to prematurely go pro & cost himself, most likely, millions of dollars while limiting his career to European basketball.
 
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I think Cal is trying to change the UK brand. This year's team had the best returning talent probably since 2015. You can't ask for more than what the Cats had returning this year. The problem this year was that the freshmen class simply wasn't good enough or ready enough to compete at a high level. Next year looks to be the opposite problem. The Cats need a year where it all comes together...returning experienced talent combined with 2-3 stud freshmen who are ready to contribute at a high level.
 
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I was least surprised by Ashton leaving; he had one foot out the door already. Maybe he'll start finishing and shooting a decent percentage from three. Maybe he won't but he'll still make 500K overseas. I personally think he needs another year, but it's his life.

As far as Juzang is concerned, just cut the BS, and say that you didn't think UK was a good fit. I still think he goes out West, but if he stays East, we know that he was full of it.
 
Gotta say when he committed a couple years ago, I was very excited. I will wish best of luck to any CAT who gives us a season or more, just wish things didn’t end the way they did. The “non suspension time off thing” and the Money thing just really made his end a lot different than it could have been.
I gave up getting excited about "super talented-sure thing" incoming freshmen after Shagari Alleyne.
 
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I wish Hagans nothin but the best. He gave everything he had to the team and wore himself to a nub by the end of the season. I don't think we have any idea how good he can be at the next level.

Wish they could have played the tournament. They could have beaten anyone!

Wish you all the success in the world, Ashton Hagans! Go give en hell
 
Gave everything he had so much that in his last game, he refused to re enter the game and chose to pout instead.
 
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