Agreed, some would rather lose 48-45 than win 14-7.
Gran being considered for Georgia OC
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I see you didn't care for being reminded of a instate and as you say choke job. I have been respectful here for years, and we may very well choke it away again the next 3-4 years, but we will be there.
It’s interesting how real football minds appreciate Gran.
I don’t have any time for style complainers after a 10 win season.
And that is the guy (Stoops) who actually had a plan and built toward this year and beyond. I don’t know what you have planned in your life that has worked nearly as well as what Stoops achieved this year. So, my default is to go with the guy who has actually proved his worth.
Special teams play, defense and offense are why we are 10-3. I love what the players said about the last drive that killed the clock. While Snell was Snellicious, the players informed that they used different blocking schemes on that drive. It was probably the difference that caught Penn State off guard and secured that game. Fans can post ignorant comments on a message board. I will stick with Gran.
And, 10 wins is awesome. Crying for a change after the first 10 win season in 41 years is unmitigated stupidity.
And, 10 wins is awesome. Crying for a change after the first 10 win season in 41 years is unmitigated stupidity.
Now who has them in a wad? I never said he was infallible, I know it was a bad call, but you felt the need to remind me again, and by your reaction you aren thrilled at getting reminded of your coaches mistakes. Like I said, maybe we choke again in 19, but we will get the chance.
I felt the need to tell someone, NOT YOU, that he wasn't infallible when they claimed Eddie Gran must be good because Kirby Smart wanted him. You felt the need to be butthurt. It wasnt a shot at him, I was just saying he isnt infallible.
Gran is a damn good coach, good recruiter and has won 24 games the last 3 years, with some limitations in pitch and catch talent and frankly, the head coach has wanted a certain type of game called. If Georgia offers, you gotta take, it's a Natty waiting to happen, but I would hate to lose Gran, we have only seen maybe 50% of his offense so far.
From Seth Emerson at The Athletic:
Smart could also look outside the program: He wanted to talk to Dan Enos three years ago but was denied by Arkansas. Does he try to pry Enos before he’s officially elevated to be Alabama’s offensive coordinator? Does he look at Kentucky’s Eddie Gran, mentioned by multiple outlets as a possibility? Gran is a good recruiter, especially in Florida, and Smart wants good recruiters, so that makes sense.
Smart could also look outside the program: He wanted to talk to Dan Enos three years ago but was denied by Arkansas. Does he try to pry Enos before he’s officially elevated to be Alabama’s offensive coordinator? Does he look at Kentucky’s Eddie Gran, mentioned by multiple outlets as a possibility? Gran is a good recruiter, especially in Florida, and Smart wants good recruiters, so that makes sense.
In all likelihood it wouldn't be any different. We ranked about 100 out of 120 teams in offense. Not sure it's getting much worse than that. But again this is Stoops and I'm not buying the this is what it takes to win part. Stoops could hire Mumme as an OC and have Peyton Manning at QB with Jerry Rice and Randy Moss at WR and he would still struggle to get 120 yards passing.
Haha. Sounds like what they used to say about Dean Smith; "the only person who ever slowed MJ down."
Honestly think we have one in Gilmore and it is going to be interesting with Allen.
He probably won’t get hired just because who knows and the odds are against any one person - but I promise you that If he is our OC when a run doesn’t work then he should’ve thrown it and if a pass doesn’t work he should’ve ran it.
Some accept mediocrity and wonder why we're historically so bad.
What the hell are you talking about? I was referencing the fake punt in the UGA-Bama SEC Championship game. I'm talking about Kirby Smart not being infallible.
He's an awful OC, UGA saw that first hand. There's zero chance they offer him a job as OC.
LOL
The first day of a new history - 10-3!!! Best record in 41 years and that was not by beating a bunch of scrubs. We beat more ranked teams in one year than we have in a long long time.
In fact, mediocrity existed when we threw the ball all over the field and had people praising our passing game. I would prefer not to go back.
Good point and excellent point. In 1977 we won ten games. That was an excellent team and went undefeated in the SEC. But our passing game was not as good as this years team. We won games with a running, powerful QB and the best defense in the SEC. Our passing game was pretty much non existent..
I was there for most games ,home and away, in 1977,and can tell you first hand, the defense and the power running game won 10 games! Not fancy passing, not that a good passing game is a great complement to an offense, but the foundation to winning football is, strong defense and running attack. Interesting,we had neither for a long time, and didn’t win many games! Coincidence ?
Well Missouri's genius play callers forgot to get a first down against us in the second half
For Gran to be considered a candidate, first it would have to mean that UGA, Kirby Smart, was seriously considering and interested in Him..
Just because his name is mentioned by someone doesn’t mean he is actually a candidate for the position...
The fact will come out one way or the other if he is or if he ever was a candidate for UGA...
With that said, it is a fact that 10 wins is great and extraordinary but also a fact that the UK offense had back to back seasons finishing extremely badly in total offensive statistics....
Just because his name is mentioned by someone doesn’t mean he is actually a candidate for the position...
The fact will come out one way or the other if he is or if he ever was a candidate for UGA...
With that said, it is a fact that 10 wins is great and extraordinary but also a fact that the UK offense had back to back seasons finishing extremely badly in total offensive statistics....
Fans are not head coaches, athletic directors or general managers that must do those evaluations and have the power and responsibilities to make changes where needed. As the saying goes...Stay in your lane. All contemplated changes have to be weighed against the possible alternatives. Fans calling/wishing for someone to leave/be fired have no responsibility for the changes that follow. Beyond that, you have zero knowledge of the command and control that exists within the organization. If Mark Stoops requires that Eddie Gran be conservative in his play calling and your gripe is with conservative play calling then replacing Eddie Gran isn't going to change that dynamic.
I'm all about continuous process improvement. I have managed departments for more than half my life and we are always self-evaluating and looking for ways to do things better. I know where the strong and weak links are in my organization, I know where the decisions are made and who is responsible for those decisions. Without that knowledge any suggestions for changes are simply blindfolded shots at a dartboard.
My question to you is how do you know who is responsible for the calls that you don't like?
Gran with Fromme would be interesting IMO, just a different set of offensive athletes. Think they would have those crazy yards passing like he did up in Cincinnati 
It's hard to argue that we're in the best position as a program since forever with Gran on staff. However, our offense has been piss poor for years. We've had three offensive coordinators since Stoops took over. Each one has had issues with the offense being productive. The constant 3 and outs. The constant pocket collapses and QB getting sacked - a lot of times due to the opposing defense loading up and daring us to throw knowing we can't throw it. It's so frustrating to watch.
I don't know what the solution is. I'll leave that to better football minds but if 3 different offensive coordinators can't put even a half way decent offense in place, then just by process of elimination, it may not be the coordinator. Is it the head coach? Is it the players? Is it all of the above? Why do these coordinators come to Kentucky with reputations of having productive offenses and not produce as we expected?
I do know for a fact that we have yet to have a great QB under Stoops. That problem needs to get fixed or we'll definitely just see more of the same. We need a QB that can accurately throw it and not quit under pressure. Johnson had a lot of heart but he wasn't a great QB. Sometimes heart trumps talent and he was a great example of that. Without a great QB, we're one dimensional and easy to defend.
I think we were very fortunate to go 10-3 this year with as bad an offense as we had. If it wasn't for our run game, that wouldn't have happened. But having such an imbalanced team where the offense is constantly coming off the field quickly only tires out the great defense we tend to have. At some point we have to have balance. When and if that occurs, i believe UK can be a constant contender in the SEC and have years like this one more frequently.
I don't know what the solution is. I'll leave that to better football minds but if 3 different offensive coordinators can't put even a half way decent offense in place, then just by process of elimination, it may not be the coordinator. Is it the head coach? Is it the players? Is it all of the above? Why do these coordinators come to Kentucky with reputations of having productive offenses and not produce as we expected?
I do know for a fact that we have yet to have a great QB under Stoops. That problem needs to get fixed or we'll definitely just see more of the same. We need a QB that can accurately throw it and not quit under pressure. Johnson had a lot of heart but he wasn't a great QB. Sometimes heart trumps talent and he was a great example of that. Without a great QB, we're one dimensional and easy to defend.
I think we were very fortunate to go 10-3 this year with as bad an offense as we had. If it wasn't for our run game, that wouldn't have happened. But having such an imbalanced team where the offense is constantly coming off the field quickly only tires out the great defense we tend to have. At some point we have to have balance. When and if that occurs, i believe UK can be a constant contender in the SEC and have years like this one more frequently.
Grumpolddawg:
Please excuse any rude posters you encounter here. As you know, in all segments of society, some people engage their mouths/keyboards BEFORE their brains.
Your posts here have been nothing but consistently respectful and I for one look forward to your comments as you provide us a different perspective from a fellow SEC East Division member and from a university that's ranked among the top 20 publics in the country.
Keep on posting sir.
My problem is not Passing vs Rushing nor conservative vs aggressive.
My problem is arguing "Well we were a run and ball control offense" when we were ranked 40th in rush and not in the top 50 in time of possession. So the two things we supposedly were good to great at, we were barely just okay in. Nor were we very good on 3rd down conversions. One would think, with a great ground game and a ball-control style offense we would be decent on 3rd down conversions. We weren't in the top 50.
My problem is saying "We don't have the talent to pass" when we had one of the most accurate QBs in CFB, a top tier TE to boot, and Bowden who is one of the more dynamic talents in CFB.
Now, call me crazy but an accurate QB, really talented TE, and a dynamic perimeter talent like Bowden would lead one to believe that the passing game had the talent and potential to be a bit more than what it was. The fact that UK was 116th seems to indicate that game planning, and play calling played a little bit bigger role in the lackluster passing game and overall dismal offense. It's either an outright refusal to pass when passing is warranted, an inability to draw up the right play, or both.
That poor 3rd down conversion percentage seems to indicate an overall lack of situational awareness. If you're not converting on 3rd down with an all-time SEC RB, a top tier TE, a dynamic talent like Bowden, and QB who is not only amongst the most accurate in the nation but mobile as well, then that seems to be more of a reflection on play calling than available talent. Flat out, run or pass, the right plays are not being called.
I don't need to be an insider or have any knowledge of the inner workings of the team as far as coaching relationships go to know what's going on on the field. I see it every game and in the stats.
If Mark Stoops wants to be a run first, ball control offense. Great, he and Eddie need to greatly improve that because the team was not very good in key running and ball control statistics/indicators.
I don't know who's responsible for the calls, and I don't care. I'm saying they need to improve.
Generally speaking, a balanced offense has proven to be successful at all levels. A 40th ranked ground game needs more than a 116th ranked passing game to compliment and even improve it.
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Mumme came to UK in 96 when Tim Couch was a sophomore; therefore he did not bring him in, he inherited him and had him through 99. After which Mumme's record began to slip badly. GO CATS!!
I like our coaching staff. I like that they are building a solid foundation on offense and defense, and don't have to rebuild every year. The offense is behind the defense at this point; however, when I look at the talent they are bringing in on offense; the expected growth of T. Wilson; the returning OL; the returning RBs; and the improvement I expect to see at WR (would love to see Lee sign with us), I am excited. - Regardless of the stats. GO CATS!!
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