I do think that is a legit point. There isn't going to be much of a home field advantage for either team in this instance. Granted there is still some. If given the choice I'd rather it be played in Commonwealth. However I'm not concerned about playing in their stadium. In every game we've played against UL the better team has won regardless of the location. Not necessarily the best preseason ranked team but the team that wound up being the best. The home field hasn't influenced any of the wins.
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I do think that is a legit point. There isn't going to be much of a home field advantage for either team in this instance. Granted there is still some. If given the choice I'd rather it be played in Commonwealth. However I'm not concerned about playing in their stadium. In every game we've played against UL the better team has won regardless of the location. Not necessarily the best preseason ranked team but the team that wound up being the best. The home field hasn't influenced any of the wins.
Georgia was just flat out better than we were. If we played them yearly and struggled to ever win, then your point would be valid.They lacked that edge when they played Georgia ........![[roll]](http://l.yimg.com/j/assets/img/emoticons/classic/roll.r191677.gif "roll [roll]")
I don't think UK will win but I will certainly come over and give congratulations if you do. You can hold me to that.
Fairly certain that last years Georgia team outside of Gurley and Chubb had less talent than many other DAWG teams during the Richt era. It dominated Louisville. Fairly certain Louisville would struggle to win every season against Georgia and would lose far more than win.
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our recruits under stoops are a few graduated jucos (2 are on pro rosters), a transfer (signed with steelers), and the rest are all still in school. now if you are giving bobby credit for developing charlie's players then thats fine but when you look at recruiting rankings you have to take into account the sheer # of juco's you are taking. those guys are only there for 2 years and then gone. all the past stuff means jack in this game. guys like boom, west, edwards, ware, baker, timmons, and several others were all guys that charlie wanted bad and for a good reason... they are freaking good football players. they dont care what happened past last year and all they know is they lost that one and they are gonna get it back this year. many of them are gonna play on sundays but they have to wait to get there and while you dont think they will just because they play for UK it doesn't mean that charlie strong thought that about them.
your D struggled against fast backs last year and we have 3 really fast backs on our team that will test if that has improved. our D may struggle to get sacks but your o-line may be terrible so just my opinion... our strengths play to weakness and your strengths dont really help on our "weakness".
I feel like I'm pretty objectionable about these things. I certainly think UL fans like Wildcard and TPE would back me up on that claim as well.
I think UK wins a close one this year for a few reasons.
1. UK almost won last year with an inferior team.
2. UK and UL are the closest in terms of talent in years. I really think the talent level is paper thin between the 2 programs. The reasons for that is UL lost alot of the talent Strong brought in while UK has brought in superior talent over the past few seasons.
3. UL's O-line is gonna be flat out atrocious. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'm nervous about how UK's o-line is gonna play out; and I would still take them over the line UL is gonna send out. If it was an earlier play date between the two teams, I would say UK could win handily. But I think UL will have their o-line playing as good as they can by the UK game. But that still won't be saying much.
4. UK's strength will be the offense. UL's strength will be the defense. But I don't think UL will be sending out a defense that will be like last years. Nor do I think they can send one out that will stop UK from putting up points.
On the other hand UL's offense (specifically the line) is gonna be their weakness. Whereas UK's will be their defense. I don't think UK will stop a lot of teams. But I think UL is gonna struggle to score on many.
Factor in home field advantage, and I give UK the slight edge.
I think UK wins a close one this year for a few reasons.
1. UK almost won last year with an inferior team.
2. UK and UL are the closest in terms of talent in years. I really think the talent level is paper thin between the 2 programs. The reasons for that is UL lost alot of the talent Strong brought in while UK has brought in superior talent over the past few seasons.
3. UL's O-line is gonna be flat out atrocious. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'm nervous about how UK's o-line is gonna play out; and I would still take them over the line UL is gonna send out. If it was an earlier play date between the two teams, I would say UK could win handily. But I think UL will have their o-line playing as good as they can by the UK game. But that still won't be saying much.
4. UK's strength will be the offense. UL's strength will be the defense. But I don't think UL will be sending out a defense that will be like last years. Nor do I think they can send one out that will stop UK from putting up points.
On the other hand UL's offense (specifically the line) is gonna be their weakness. Whereas UK's will be their defense. I don't think UK will stop a lot of teams. But I think UL is gonna struggle to score on many.
Factor in home field advantage, and I give UK the slight edge.
UL fans have such a warped idea of who they are as a program. They think we are so far beneath them that it would take devine intervention to beat them. They think they lose 11 pros and reload like they're Alabama.
UL is closer to a 7 win team than they are a 10 win team like some of them are predicting. Their depth is mostly gone. They lost something like 24 out of their two deep including 3 four year starters on the OL, 7 of their top 9 receivers, their best TE, and their entire secondary yet they think they are going to go on the road and beat a team that they only bested by 4 at home the year before, returns almost the entire team, that is circling the game before the season starts because you kept them out of postseason, that had a vastly superior offense/ground game/QB, and that is getting a major influx of talent from a redshirted top 20 recruiting class. Tell me again how UL plans to pull this off?
UL is closer to a 7 win team than they are a 10 win team like some of them are predicting. Their depth is mostly gone. They lost something like 24 out of their two deep including 3 four year starters on the OL, 7 of their top 9 receivers, their best TE, and their entire secondary yet they think they are going to go on the road and beat a team that they only bested by 4 at home the year before, returns almost the entire team, that is circling the game before the season starts because you kept them out of postseason, that had a vastly superior offense/ground game/QB, and that is getting a major influx of talent from a redshirted top 20 recruiting class. Tell me again how UL plans to pull this off?
I think any O line argument for either side is pointless right now. Both o lines will more than have the kinks worked out by game 12. The only way either O line hurts their team is if they are so hurt and banged up by week 12 they lack depth. I blieve QB play and defense will make the difference. The team that gets the better play out of those two will be the winner.
I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion the OLine and the Dline are the single to most crucial units on the entire team. The run game has also determined the winner almost every single year with the exception of last year. Your Oline has to block for those RBs. QB play will be important but that's affected by the quality of your Oline in a huge way. UL lacks any depth on its Oline before it takes the first snap of the season. UL is going to have a tough time when its inexperienced line with no depth is gassed at the end of the game and that's assuming they do have everyone healthy at the end of the year. If UL has any injuries on the Oline the season could get away from them fast.
It's important to have a good defense but how much will it help you if you have to hold every team under 20 to win? If your offense can't stay on the field your defense is going to get tired pretty fast. UL will have a pretty good defense but it won't be what it was last year. UK is going to be able to expose their weak secondary.
By the time the game rolls around, half of your team will have been arrested so that might be part of the reason.
I think that the teams will be very even in terms of talent...
I just believe that after 4 losses in a row to the Cards, UK will want it more and will have a HUGE advantage from the home crowd.
UofL's players and coaches don't REALLY respect UK...yet.
I just believe that after 4 losses in a row to the Cards, UK will want it more and will have a HUGE advantage from the home crowd.
UofL's players and coaches don't REALLY respect UK...yet.
and F$U....had lead late then give up like 21 straight....to lose at home...
Thats not what I meant about oline. I am saying that whatever problem either team may have should be worked out by game 12 unless its attrition/depth related. that is if either team has a line coach worth his salt. To be honest I know nothing about their oline or ours as far as what the coaches really think. I think the old "player x" is gone argument has been worn out. Theyve proven they can add new talent time and time again so Im not keen on that approach.
What Im looking for is for us to show progress. Rise up and beat them. Ill take a win anyway I can get it but I believe beating a Petrino coached team thats borderline top 25 or higher is much more satisfying than beating a Kragthorpe team that couldnt beat itself in a scriimmage. Im sure many of their fans feel the same way. I know my son and his crowd would rather beat a bowl bound UK team than a 2-4 win UK team.
And I still think from all Ive read here and across the web that this years game will come down to QB play and defense. The team that has the better D and gets better execution out of their QB will win. I understand the running game stat but Petrino isnt running the same offense he used to run, Strong was a ball control defensive coach (thats the coaches theve had for our last 8 losses to them) and Brooks was a ball control coach (thats the last 12 games when added to the Petrino/Strong years).
You now have Petrino running a spread and Dawson has a history of the same thing. I believe that Towles and (insert UL QB here) combined with their respective defenses will decide this years game. I also believe that this is one o fthose years where it being game one would have helped us more than them. But its not. Its the last game and we will see a finished product from both squads.
This post is why I think it will be a total blow out for UK
Wasn't it so fellow named Coach that put a pretty good azz kicking on them.
Pat will do as Tim did.
I think I'm fairly objective, but I think UK can (and probably will) win this game. I don't think it will be a blowout and I think UL will end the season with an overall better record (welcome to the ACC), but I think UL lost enough talent and UK will be enough improved that the Cats will pull out the victory. I also think this game being in CWS helps and it's likely UK will be fighting for bowl eligibility so they are going to give it everything they have. Also, it seems rivalry games are almost always close; because of that I give the advantage to Kentucky.
I'll bite.
-I don't think many here are predicting a "big win". Many UK fans think we will win, but very few would be 100% confident in it.
-Personally, I will have to see it to believe it. I don't understand UK fans who talk a lot of smack to UL about head-to-head results at this point, but to each his own.
-I agree with the UK poster who said that UL fans vastly overrate their own program, coaching staff, and pretty much every other aspect of your team. I don't celebrate moral victories, and derived no comfort from a 44-40 loss (if anything, it was painful as I feel that UK should have won). However, I think the game showed that there isn't much separating the two programs. The talent gap has either decreased or disappeared (or to listen to some here, it is now in UK's favor).
-I saw that an offshore bookmaker suggested that UK would currently be a slight favorite (referenced in the Bozich article), and I think one of the official vegas sports books had UL as a 1-2.5 favorite as of today.
I think this year's game is basically a toss-up, based on what we know right now, but I'm also sure that the perception will change once we have a chance to see both teams take the field.
Georgia Humiliated Loserville..It wasn't close Watch what Auburn does to Little Brother..
Statistically, UofL dominated that game last year. Louisville almost beat Louisville with those two lost fumbles. Louisville was a heavy favorite, and already bowl eligible. UK had all the incentive in this being their bowl game so to speak.
No one is taking into consideration that Petrinos "Year 2" teams always improves tremendously from the previous season. Especially on offense. It's a rivalry. So yes we "Louisville" can definitely lose. But it's more likely Louisville gets a blowout win than a loss.
No one is taking into consideration that Petrinos "Year 2" teams always improves tremendously from the previous season. Especially on offense. It's a rivalry. So yes we "Louisville" can definitely lose. But it's more likely Louisville gets a blowout win than a loss.
Speaking of be the "show me type", does this apply to Stoops also since he hasn't really shown much on the actual playing field?
UL dropped a wide open interception also and one of the qb's just happen to be a third stringer who torched us for +300 in less than three quarters.
We shouldn't hang our hats on our recent recruiting. Thats only a fraction of what its gonna take for us to be a consistent success in the coming years. UL has never had any great recruiting classes and no class they ever had would rank anything better than last in the sec.
Not hanging my hat on our recruiting. We still have to put the product onto the field. However, the UL fan was stating that our recruiting was similar to UL's and that they did better with this similar recruiting. I was pointing out that they have done better than us throughout the years in terms of having classes in the top 50. We're now getting those top 50 classes which should lead to us having more success.
@WestCatFanOne sounds a little trolley...5-6 posts in a row. I like the true UL fans who post as UL fans much better.
Us landing better classes will result in levels of improvement but that in no way will be a direct correlation to sucess. College football is much bigger than competing with UL. How are these recent classes stacking up against SEC teams?
You do realize that if kids at other schools did not get kicked out, your recruiting would really suffer.
Just stating my opinions. Sorry for not being the homer "rah rah" type of fan like yourself and a few others. While I love Stoops and everything he has done since coming, I still prefer to live in REALITY. Theres so many fans on here that spew so much garbage that some should be called out for it.
The REALITY is that we dont know much about them and they dont know much about us. You can't base the future of the program on a close game to your bitter rival. Dont let your optimistic blind you as a fan because you feel you are "DUE" after being bad for so long and losing against UL for four straight years. Petrino may be scum but he is far better and seasoned than Stoops at the moment. Until that changes and Stoops inches closer to that level of coaching these good recruiting classes mean very little to me.
The same QB that they relied on against Georgia, so that doesn't say much, now does it? He was clearly better than Bonnafon, and that's not up for debate.
To recent to tell. Let's field some of the players that they've developed in those classes, how about it hoss? Or are you under the impression that recruits can all waltz in, and play (and dominate) as true freshmen in the SEC. It's a process, don't be ignorant to that fact. To say that the talent hasn't drastically upgraded is a narrow minded statement, if that's what you're trying to say. The again, for the duration of the time that you've posted here, you've proven to be a narrow minded individual, so I'm not exactly surprised.
It seems abundantly obvious that you're a pessimist. I guarantee you, you would still complain if Kentucky went on to win the east.
Not trying to be pessimistic at all and Bonnafon isn't good to me, atleast not at QB. We would've been bowling had we not put him out the game.
I understand the improvement and upgrades in the talent Stoops has brought in. I have no beef with that at all because good talent is good talent period. My only concern is coaching from this point on. Case in point, last year when the staff boasted about the Neal Brown air raid offense and a majority of our fans took that and ran with it only to be one of the worst passing teams in all of football. The jury is still out on the coaching staffs ability to coach the players up. This year will be mostly Stoops recruits in his system so we will really see what this staff is really about outside of recruiting.
Homer rah rah? Lol...I have pointed out flaws in UK and some of the fans on here and their arguments...I have pointed out that UL dropped a pick 6 against us. I also call out opposing fans for homer views...you do not. You have spent this page basically arguing with UK fans and hyping UL. You have a low post total (not something I usually point out) but most of your posts have the same theme.
You tout Bobby Petrino's coaching and then say UK had one of the worst passing attacks in football last season...would it surprise you if UK passed for a higher completion percentage and only 20 less yards per game than your favorite guru?
UK has had plenty of problems...you love to point that out...have not seen you point out a positive for UK nor negative for UL. Just look at your posts.
The fact is... the most talented team has won the rivalry except maybe 3 times. UL was clearly more talented during the Bridgewater years and so they won... even when we more experienced and coming off 4 in a row.
Petrino Is a good coach but he's not Lombardi. He made some pretty dumb moves last year even ul fans would admit to. We had a good game plan for Bonnafon but didn't change when Bolin came in. Lets quit acting like he wasthe clear 3rd string guy though. They didn't know who was their best qb all year and the 3rd stringer started ahead of the 2nd stringer in the bowl game.
The talent difference isn't just in the ratings. If you look at offers and amount of jucos it looks better for the cats in the next few years. So we will be atleast AS talented as ul this but will likely be more talented for this year as well. ... but we do have to see if stoops can win 50/50 games and road games before we get too crazy.
If you're not trying to be pessimistic you aren't coming across that way. I realize that the jury is still out as you put it but our future looks the best I've ever seen and the recruiting is a big bright spot yet you pretty much blew it off in the last sentence of your post. You're certainly entitled to your opinion but you seem to hi light a lot of negatives and very few positives.
Im not here to point out the UL negatives and the UK positives because that's done in pretty much every thread on the Lair. Is there a problem with bringing something different than the popular opinion to the discussion. I just want Stoops to make me a believer in the wins column.
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