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Goaltending call on Ugo

I’m shocked they botched that. Did they not have the overhead angle to see?
They do, but the issue is the camera isn't directly above the basket. It's set back a bit so it can look like the ball is completely outside the cylinder while still being partly over it. My guess is due to this, they stood with the call on the court because they couldn't tell 100% if the ball was a little in the cylinder or not.
 
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They do, but the issue is the camera isn't directly above the basket. It's set back a bit so it can look like the ball is completely outside the cylinder while still being partly over it. My guess is due to this, they stood with the call on the court because they couldn't tell 100% if the ball was a little in the cylinder or not.
That’s what I assumed. If only they saw the view we saw at home it wouldn’t be a question
 
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That’s what I assumed. If only they saw the view we saw at home it wouldn’t be a question
The view we saw at home is what I'm talking about. That camera isn't directly above the hoop, so it's not 100% accurate. It's set back up on the backboard, so due to the angle a ball can look outside the cylinder from that angle, but a truly overhead view would show it inside.
 
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The view we saw at home is what I'm talking about. That camera isn't directly above the hoop, so it's not 100% accurate. It's set back up on the backboard, so due to the angle a ball can look outside the cylinder from that angle, but a truly overhead view would show it inside.
If they saw that and still couldn’t decide then they need their eyes checked.
 
Absolutely a clean block.

Drives me nuts- officials should have to do a press conference after the game as well and explain themselves. That was so egregious, and they even went to the monitor and STILL got it wrong.

Hope Cal send it into the conference and the official is reprimanded.
 
live, no one noticed it. after the goaltending however, they went straight to the monitor. there’s really no excuse to miss the call when the whole cbs crew said it was a block no matter how you interpret a possible goaltending.
My wife and I both noticed Reeve stepping out. We have enough calls go against us, I'll gladly take the refs missing one.

But I think they were going to uphold it no matter what. They realized they missed the Reeves stepping out of bounds call and were trying to give 1 back.

It was 100% a clean block.
 
I thought it was a clean block myself. Agree or disagree ? Sorry if this has been talked about but did not see any post on it.
Except for the 3 blind mice in stripes, everybody in that building today knew that was a block, every announcer knew it was a block, the director of officials (gene chizik?) knew it was a clean block. Never seen so many reviews be missed as what we've seen this season.
 
Clean block. Had to be a makeup call for them missing reeves stepping out of bounds on his drive to the basket a few plays earlier
They gave a make up call on that. Goaltend was just bullshit.



And Ziegler and one after Reed tripped was garbage. The make up call for Reeves out of bounds was given to Knecht quickly after. Block and the and one at the end were just terrible calls made with the home crowd.
 
I was a couple minutes behind live on my recording and fast forwarded through the review I was so certain it was goaltending.
 
Absolutely was a clean block! Not even close! Exactly 0% of the ball was as above the cylinder! ZERO!

I had the sound off and just saw the replay so I have question: Was the ball perhaps on the way down? It was clearly not in the cylinder but wouldn't it be goal tending if the ball were on the way down. In one angle of the replay, it appeared it might be going down. I'm just not sure.
 
They do, but the issue is the camera isn't directly above the basket. It's set back a bit so it can look like the ball is completely outside the cylinder while still being partly over it. My guess is due to this, they stood with the call on the court because they couldn't tell 100% if the ball was a little in the cylinder or not.
But that's also the problem, they automatically call anything close a goal tend bc its a review able call and can look at the monitor, so the indisputable evidence reasoning shouldn't work as they are calling everything one to begin with so they can look at it.

Just absolute bafoonery by this crew
 
I had the sound off and just saw the replay so I have question: Was the ball perhaps on the way down? It was clearly not in the cylinder but wouldn't it be goal tending if the ball were on the way down. In one angle of the replay, it appeared it might be going down. I'm just not sure.
Nope. Was on the way up.
 
They do, but the issue is the camera isn't directly above the basket. It's set back a bit so it can look like the ball is completely outside the cylinder while still being partly over it. My guess is due to this, they stood with the call on the court because they couldn't tell 100% if the ball was a little in the cylinder or not.
If they couldn’t they need to find another profession.
 
If they saw that and still couldn’t decide then they need their eyes checked.

If they couldn’t they need to find another profession.
I don't think you guys are understanding what I'm trying to say. The overhead camera angle is not a 100% overhead shot. It's a little behind the basket, so it's almost like an optical illusion when the ball looks 100% off the cylinder. The best comparison I can draw is this tweet, which was about a World Cup goal that review called good even though a certain camera angle looked like the ball was 100% out of bounds. If the camera is a little in front of the ball, it doesn't provide a true depiction of where the ball is.

At about 3 seconds in this video is a good depiction of where the overhead camera is, and it would look like the ball is completely on the other side of that line. But if you bring the camera 100% above the ball you can tell it's still over the line. This is the same thing that happens with over the basket cameras, they are not 100% accurate.

 
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I don't think you guys are understanding what I'm trying to say. The overhead camera angle is not a 100% overhead shot. It's a little behind the basket, so it's almost like an optical illusion when the ball looks 100% off the cylinder. The best comparison I can draw is this tweet, which was about a World Cup goal that review called good even though a certain camera angle looked like the ball was 100% out of bounds. If the camera is a little in front of the ball, it doesn't provide a true depiction of where the ball is.

At about 3 seconds in this video is a good depiction of where the overhead camera is, and it would look like the ball is completely on the other side of that line. But if you bring the camera 100% above the ball you can tell it's still over the line. This is the same thing that happens with over the basket cameras, they are not 100% accurate.

I understand. But geometry be damned, it looked clean. Insttead of listening to what their eyes were telling them they went with the assumption route. They botched the call
 
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