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Goaltending call on Ugo

Except for the 3 blind mice in stripes, everybody in that building today knew that was a block, every announcer knew it was a block, the director of officials (gene chizik?) knew it was a clean block. Never seen so many reviews be missed as what we've seen this season.
Do you recall the game with UNC when the three blind mice went and reviewed a play and ended up calling a technical on Walter McCarty and he wasn’t even in the game?
 
Do you recall the game with UNC when the three blind mice went and reviewed a play and ended up calling a technical on Walter McCarty and he wasn’t even in the game?
Yes! Another Higgins, another Elite Eight vs UNC. I was heartbroken at that loss. I remember at the post-game press conference, Pitino saying he would do everything in his power to make sure “this never happens again.” And the next 2 (for him, 3 for UK) years we were in the Finals for our final game.
 
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I thought it was a clean block myself. Agree or disagree ? Sorry if this has been talked about but did not see any post on it.
It was clean, but it made up for the missed call where Reeves stepped out of bounds.
 
SEC officials always going the extra mile to make a point.

Not only do two wrongs not make a right, but 4 wrongs DEFINITELY still don't make a right. UT player fouls Reeves, Reeves steps out, block is then called a GT, and confirmed after review. Nice work by the SEC to further bolster a timeless, classic bit of wisdom.
 
SEC officials always going the extra mile to make a point.

Not only do two wrongs not make a right, but 4 wrongs DEFINITELY still don't make a right. UT player fouls Reeves, Reeves steps out, block is then called a GT, and confirmed after review. Nice work by the SEC to further bolster a timeless, classic bit of wisdom.
After the review too makes me furious.
 
I don't think you guys are understanding what I'm trying to say. The overhead camera angle is not a 100% overhead shot. It's a little behind the basket, so it's almost like an optical illusion when the ball looks 100% off the cylinder. The best comparison I can draw is this tweet, which was about a World Cup goal that review called good even though a certain camera angle looked like the ball was 100% out of bounds. If the camera is a little in front of the ball, it doesn't provide a true depiction of where the ball is.

At about 3 seconds in this video is a good depiction of where the overhead camera is, and it would look like the ball is completely on the other side of that line. But if you bring the camera 100% above the ball you can tell it's still over the line. This is the same thing that happens with over the basket cameras, they are not 100% accurate.

Cool video...Doesn't work here, that video is starting out low, the video we already have is, while not directly over, is pretty elevated. Even if you disagree with that, they have to go with what video they have, they can't make guesswork on non existent camera angles

 
I think it was a make up call for Reeves stepping out of bounds.
I agree- we could see watching at home that Reeves clearly stepped out of bounds (not sure how the officials missed that) and the block by Ugo was clearly a good block (not sure how the officials missed that)- officials seem to be getting worse and worse
 
Even Grant Hill said he thought it was a clean block, I thought it was a clean block to but Kentucky is never going to get that call on the road. What bothered me the most is how quick the the refs decided it was goal tending, it was going to be goal tending regardless.
 
I agree- we could see watching at home that Reeves clearly stepped out of bounds (not sure how the officials missed that) and the block by Ugo was clearly a good block (not sure how the officials missed that)- officials seem to be getting worse and worse

Missed calls/bad calls are very common. Missed calls/bad calls after watching the replay are inexcusable.
 
they have to go with what video they have, they can't make guesswork on non existent camera angles
Which is why they stuck with what they called on the court. This happens all the time in other sports. If the camera angle looks definitive but the angle is such that it cannot actually be definitive they stick with what the call was on the court or the field. It's well established that camera angle is a bit deceptive, so they stuck with the call on the court.
 
I watched a replay of the game. The refs were worse than you could typically expect for an SEC road screw job. Those guys have to be betting on games and playing with the spread. There has been a weird pattern of that this whole season.
 
Which is why they stuck with what they called on the court. This happens all the time in other sports. If the camera angle looks definitive but the angle is such that it cannot actually be definitive they stick with what the call was on the court or the field. It's well established that camera angle is a bit deceptive, so they stuck with the call on the court.
It has been said that the officials are going to call it goal tending/basket interference if is close BECAUSE they will then be able to review it. But, if they then go to the camera and determine that the angle MIGHT be misleading and there isn't enough evidence to overturn the call, the team that blocked the shot is automatically screwed.

The end result is that bad calls are confirmed. I've replayed the Ugo block many many times and looked at it from the different angles. Judging from the position of Ugo's hand I can no reason why this wasn't a block. If the ball were over the cylinder, Ugo's hand had to be closer to the rim than it was. It was simply a bad bad call.
 
It was clean, but it made up for the missed call where Reeves stepped out of bounds.

The problem is there shouldn't be a need for a makeup b/c while Reeves did step on the line, he was fouled when he initiated that drive. The defenders hand pushed the middle of Reeves chest, which is a clear foul.

So, it may have been a makeup call, but considering it should've been a penalty on both sides in real time (foul on TN, out of bounds on Reeves), there was no need for a makeup.
 
It has been said that the officials are going to call it goal tending/basket interference if is close BECAUSE they will then be able to review it. But, if they then go to the camera and determine that the angle MIGHT be misleading and there isn't enough evidence to overturn the call, the team that blocked the shot is automatically screwed.

The end result is that bad calls are confirmed. I've replayed the Ugo block many many times and looked at it from the different angles. Judging from the position of Ugo's hand I can no reason why this wasn't a block. If the ball were over the cylinder, Ugo's hand had to be closer to the rim than it was. It was simply a bad bad call.

Agree with this as well. I know camera angles can be tricky, but the laws of physics/geometry are pretty solid. IF the player's hand was straight up AND he contacts the ball without touching the cylinder, then there is no way the ball is in the cylinder. So, they don't have to ONLY look at the ball itself.

I understand those details cannot be determined in real time, but the replay certainly allows for that.
 
Been seeing the chase down block by Zion last night on SC all morning. SEC officials would have called it a goaltend.
 
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The problem is there shouldn't be a need for a makeup b/c while Reeves did step on the line, he was fouled when he initiated that drive. The defenders hand pushed the middle of Reeves chest, which is a clear foul.

So, it may have been a makeup call, but considering it should've been a penalty on both sides in real time (foul on TN, out of bounds on Reeves), there was no need for a makeup.
I see your point that he might have been fouled, but you not getting that call on the road. That is why I see it as a makeup call.
 
Which is why they stuck with what they called on the court. This happens all the time in other sports. If the camera angle looks definitive but the angle is such that it cannot actually be definitive they stick with what the call was on the court or the field. It's well established that camera angle is a bit deceptive, so they stuck with the call on the court.
The shot was blocked. At no point was Ugo's hand above the cylinder in any angle view. That makes it impossible for the ball to be above the cylinder at any point. The ball was going up.
 
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