Oh my. Wow.Ask and it shall be given to you. Vertical axis is global temperature change. Horizontal axis is time.
The graph below is for CO2/temps from various Antarctic ice cores. Advancing ice is reflected in the angular downstrokes -- it takes a long time for ice to accumulate and advance. Warming speed is reflected by the near vertical upstrokes. When the atmosphere warms it does so in a hurry. Upper vertical axis is marked in ppm of CO2. Lower vertical is temp change in Celsius. Horizontal axis is time. This is the record for the previous 800.000 years. I'm not sure what year this was published but atmospheric CO2 is at 418 ppm today so this graph is very recent. One of the easy things to miss is that our increase in atmospheric CO2 is more than twice the increase the planet sees during glacial advance and retreat. The graph's horizontal is ticked in 10,000 year increments so the slight angle of previous increases in CO2 actually represents a span of many thousands of years. In contrast, the leap from 280 to 418 is around 150 years. Just to give you a feel for the preposterous speed of the change. Another thing that is so obvious it might be missed is how tightly temperature and atmospheric CO2 are bound together. The two move together like old fashioned dancers.
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Thinking about this the other day. I've seen things online that show just how much "shade" can be a factor in keeping a house cool. A house under several trees makes a huge difference than a house without those trees.
So I kind of wonder if there wouldn't be some use/market for man-made structures that can shield a house from the sun. Say 3 posts with some membrane connecting all 3. Could be a tent-like material, could be something reflective, with the purpose of shielding the house from the sun. Take it a step further, it could have some automation to adjust itself to where the sun is positioned. The home in question might not need to rely on AC for a few extra hours a day. It might not need AC at all for the early or late summer months.
Idk maybe that's more work than it's worth.. but I kind of feel we should be doing more with the concept of sun shading.
So I kind of wonder if there wouldn't be some use/market for man-made structures that can shield a house from the sun. Say 3 posts with some membrane connecting all 3. Could be a tent-like material, could be something reflective, with the purpose of shielding the house from the sun. Take it a step further, it could have some automation to adjust itself to where the sun is positioned. The home in question might not need to rely on AC for a few extra hours a day. It might not need AC at all for the early or late summer months.
Idk maybe that's more work than it's worth.. but I kind of feel we should be doing more with the concept of sun shading.
Shortly before I moved out on my own, my parents rented a 19th century house. In the attic was a whole house fan. A great big fan whose blades seemed to be around 6' across. It was housed in a wire cage which was attached to a framework of metal pipes. The cage was there to protect people and pets who got near it. There were louvers in the 2nd floor ceiling that opened or closed when you turned the fan on or off. My brother and I were given the attic room because if you were male in that house, you were simply expected to make do. Etc,
Anyway, when that fan was on, it was cool enough -- even on the 3rd floor -- to endure Kentucky summers in relative comfort. I don't have the raw numbers, but I bet it used a small fraction of typical A/C systems.
One of the funny bits about that fan is to see what happened on the 1st floor when it got turned on: newspapers lifted off tables, the table cloth fluttered, and open doors would shut a bit. It has been almost 60 years, but I think it had two speeds and there was a whump-whump annoying noise at low speed. So, to get to sleep you needed to have it on high. I had much more hair in those days and it would fluff out a bit in the draft like Albert Einstein's.
Goddamnit fellas, how many times does it take for you to understand the simple fact that no one gives a shit unless everyone is willing to play by the same rules which is obvious they aren’t and so that being said, unless you find a better way, we’d rather go down being the titanic than hop on a smaller vessel that has Chinese ownership.Ask and it shall be given to you. Vertical axis is global temperature change. Horizontal axis is time.
The graph below is for CO2/temps from various Antarctic ice cores. Advancing ice is reflected in the angular downstrokes -- it takes a long time for ice to accumulate and advance. Warming speed is reflected by the near vertical upstrokes. When the atmosphere warms it does so in a hurry. Upper vertical axis is marked in ppm of CO2. Lower vertical is temp change in Celsius. Horizontal axis is time. This is the record for the previous 800.000 years. I'm not sure what year this was published but atmospheric CO2 is at 418 ppm today so this graph is very recent. One of the easy things to miss is that our increase in atmospheric CO2 is more than twice the increase the planet sees during glacial advance and retreat. The graph's horizontal is ticked in 10,000 year increments so the slight angle of previous increases in CO2 actually represents a span of many thousands of years. In contrast, the leap from 280 to 418 is around 150 years. Just to give you a feel for the preposterous speed of the change. Another thing that is so obvious it might be missed is how tightly temperature and atmospheric CO2 are bound together. The two move together like old fashioned dancers.
Capiche?
That made me laugh. I like your style, but I don’t agree with your reasoning. Why? Because it’s not true. China and India are investing in renewable energy. Europe is leading the way
Mines filled with slave children in the Congo.
Australias Great Barrier Reef has more coral than ever measured there despite bleaching events. Florida’s coral is going through a bleaching but it’s loss is due to stony coral disease.
-It’s definitely not “almost all of its coral”
I know that for a fact.
@Kingseve1
-China and India also literally just dump toxic waste and plastic into the ocean with no filtration so please spare me the “investment” they’re making, it’s pennies in the water fountain, man.
It’s so there are headlines people can say “see look china IS doing something!” Next headline china builds 170+ new coal plants or whatever but you got the headline that you need so who cares about the coal plants, right?
I’d prefer America live it’s life like I try and live mine. I’d rather live 1 day a Lion than 1000 days a sheep.
I know that for a fact.
@Kingseve1
-China and India also literally just dump toxic waste and plastic into the ocean with no filtration so please spare me the “investment” they’re making, it’s pennies in the water fountain, man.
It’s so there are headlines people can say “see look china IS doing something!” Next headline china builds 170+ new coal plants or whatever but you got the headline that you need so who cares about the coal plants, right?
I’d prefer America live it’s life like I try and live mine. I’d rather live 1 day a Lion than 1000 days a sheep.
Dudeeee I just moved into a house with one of those. If you fell into this thing.. oh boy.
From my understanding, the way ours is setup.. it was to pull air into the attic and shoot it out the attic fan/window. And when we tested it with our realtor, we found it was actually used to pull fresh air in. When this thing was turned on, even the furthest away bedroom windows, you'd feel the air pulling in from the outside. Perfect for cool summer nights.
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No the politicians want you to turn up your AC, drive electric cars, ride a bike if you can and every other energy saving method you can think while they drive around in their armored SUV's getting 10 MPG and fly in Private jets everywhere they go.
Unless it's untrue, I've seen reports that China builds a new coal plant a week. Give me a break on this ccp gives a Sugar Honey Ice Tea about this supposed CC. Their goal is World Dominance and that includes America. Unfortunately, we have an administration and cdp that is more than willing to bow down to them and KA$$ .
I'm just humorless Joe Friday. I was asked for data and I provided it. I've long believed that we're doomed. One from column A. Two from column B.
Capisce.
No, but the world includes a mile from my house. You can't run headlines like the world is on fire when many parts of the US are well below average temps and have been much of the summer.
Can't let facts get in the way of a good panic porn headline
Damn. I had tickets booked for a vacation to Neptune, but -300 is my absolute limit.
US = 1.867% of the globe. And most of the country is having record heat.
Cities in South America: 100 degrees in their winter
I really don't understand "La la la I can't hear you"
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You're the epitome of that. Only parts of the US are higher. Others are lower. If there was truly warming, everything would be hotter by the day, but it isnt.
No matter how you twist and turn; that simple point is fatal to the entire movement.
We had some of the coldest days this past winter in some parts of the country. Dec. 22 was a huge drop to the coldest it has been since the 70s. If a similar warming event occurred over the summer, it would be posted about in this thread and attributed to warming. These events are not worth commenting upon, yet they are repeatedly.
Currently 83 degrees in Louisville.
Goddamnit fellas, how many times does it take for you to understand the simple fact that no one gives a shit unless everyone is willing to play by the same rules which is obvious they aren’t and so that being said, unless you find a better way, we’d rather go down being the titanic than hop on a smaller vessel that has Chinese ownership.
Capiche?
I’ll keep posting this on these questions. It’s easy to point out problems, provide solutions that are equitable to the countries they affect most or STFU. Until then we HONESTLY don’t give a shit and zero you post that isn’t a solution is going to change anyone’s mind.
Do you understand the “Lalalala” now?
I’m never facetious and violent at the same time bruh, one or the other.
1998 was the year that bleaching hit the hardest. Reefs proved resilient and have rebounded in a lot of the world. My wife's niece got to go to the Great Barrier Reef a few years ago. Her pictures showed a mix but the amount of bony white was disturbing.
I strongly suspect that reefs will bleach again this year unless -- and I don't even pretend to have knowledge of this -- the rebound after 1998 was led by a species of coral more resistant to heat.
But, hey, playing Russian Roulette with the environment is cheap and the damage is always somewhere else.
Always joked that it would be hilarious to find out our contribution to the atmosphere and planet actually helped keep things stable and habitable. Well… may be some truth to that?
Someone else posted it as well but the GBR had the most growth this year than it has in like 40 years.
Even Chile is in on the CC Hoax…paid for by BIG Renewable.
A general view of the Chilean capital under a heavy layer of smog during a winter day, in Santiago, Chile, July 27, 2023.
Ivan Alvarado | Reuters
An unprecedented winter heatwave is sweeping across a large chunk of South America, with temperatures forecast to exceed 40 degrees Celsius (104 Fahrenheit) in southwestern Brazil in the coming days.
It comes as part of a recent trend of extreme heat stretching across the globe, with the month of July poised to be recognized as the world’s hottest in history.
Unlike the extraordinary temperatures recently recorded during the northern hemisphere’s summer season, however, countries including Argentina, Chile, Paraguay and Brazil are supposed to be experiencing temperatures associated with the middle of winter.
Scientists say the winter heat is being fueled by the climate emergency and the El Niño phenomenon. El Niño is a naturally occuring climate pattern that contributes to higher temperatures across the globe.
Argentina’s capital city of Buenos Aires on Tuesday registered temperatures of 30 degrees Celsius, in what the country’s weather service said reflected the hottest start to early August in 117 years of data.
Temperatures are typically around 15 degrees Celsius in Buenos Aires at this time of year, and have not exceeded 30 degrees Celsius in winter since 2014.
“Climate change is not a distant scenario,” Argentina’s national weather service said in a Facebook post earlier this week. ”[It] is here and it is urgent to act.”
The southern part of the continent has suffered the worst of the winter heat in recent days, with temperatures expectedto remain at abnormally high levels in early August.
Climatologist Maximiliano Herrera says South America’s scorching heat represents one of the most “extreme events the world has ever seen” and one that is “rewriting all [climatic] books.”
“Numbers speak for themselves. And it will get worse,” Herrera said Thursday via the X platform, formerly known as Twitter.
Temperatures on Thursday hit 39.7 degrees Celsius at Paraguay’s Vallemi airport, surpassing an all-time high recorded in July.
In Chile, the mountain town of Vicuna on Tuesday registered a national record as temperatures reached 38.7 degrees Celsius.
Chile’s national weather agency said several weather stations nationwide recorded temperatures over 35 degrees Celsius at the start of the month.
Meanwhile, in Brazil, temperatures soared to over 38 degrees Celsius last week.
A study published last month found that the heatwaves baking vast swathes of North America, Europe and Asia in July would have been “virtually impossible” without the human-induced climate crisis. Scientists say the extreme weather sweeping across the globe reaffirms the urgency of cutting greenhouse gas emissions as quickly and deeply as possible.
- An unprecedented winter heatwave is sweeping across a large chunk of South America, with temperatures forecast to exceed 40 degrees Celsius (104 Fahrenheit) in southwestern Brazil in the coming days.
- Climatologist Maximiliano Herrera says South America’s scorching heat represents one of the most “extreme events the world has ever seen” and one that is “rewriting all [climatic] books.”
- “Numbers speak for themselves. And it will get worse,” Herrera said Thursday via the X platform, formerly known as Twitter.
A general view of the Chilean capital under a heavy layer of smog during a winter day, in Santiago, Chile, July 27, 2023.
Ivan Alvarado | Reuters
An unprecedented winter heatwave is sweeping across a large chunk of South America, with temperatures forecast to exceed 40 degrees Celsius (104 Fahrenheit) in southwestern Brazil in the coming days.
It comes as part of a recent trend of extreme heat stretching across the globe, with the month of July poised to be recognized as the world’s hottest in history.
Unlike the extraordinary temperatures recently recorded during the northern hemisphere’s summer season, however, countries including Argentina, Chile, Paraguay and Brazil are supposed to be experiencing temperatures associated with the middle of winter.
Scientists say the winter heat is being fueled by the climate emergency and the El Niño phenomenon. El Niño is a naturally occuring climate pattern that contributes to higher temperatures across the globe.
Argentina’s capital city of Buenos Aires on Tuesday registered temperatures of 30 degrees Celsius, in what the country’s weather service said reflected the hottest start to early August in 117 years of data.
Temperatures are typically around 15 degrees Celsius in Buenos Aires at this time of year, and have not exceeded 30 degrees Celsius in winter since 2014.
“Climate change is not a distant scenario,” Argentina’s national weather service said in a Facebook post earlier this week. ”[It] is here and it is urgent to act.”
The southern part of the continent has suffered the worst of the winter heat in recent days, with temperatures expectedto remain at abnormally high levels in early August.
Climatologist Maximiliano Herrera says South America’s scorching heat represents one of the most “extreme events the world has ever seen” and one that is “rewriting all [climatic] books.”
“Numbers speak for themselves. And it will get worse,” Herrera said Thursday via the X platform, formerly known as Twitter.
‘Virtually impossible’
In Paraguay, the country’s weather service said temperatures would likely reach a maximum of 38 degrees Celsius on Friday, with the hot weather expected to stick around through the weekend.Temperatures on Thursday hit 39.7 degrees Celsius at Paraguay’s Vallemi airport, surpassing an all-time high recorded in July.
In Chile, the mountain town of Vicuna on Tuesday registered a national record as temperatures reached 38.7 degrees Celsius.
Chile’s national weather agency said several weather stations nationwide recorded temperatures over 35 degrees Celsius at the start of the month.
Meanwhile, in Brazil, temperatures soared to over 38 degrees Celsius last week.
A study published last month found that the heatwaves baking vast swathes of North America, Europe and Asia in July would have been “virtually impossible” without the human-induced climate crisis. Scientists say the extreme weather sweeping across the globe reaffirms the urgency of cutting greenhouse gas emissions as quickly and deeply as possible.
Goddamnit fellas, how many times does it take for you to understand the simple fact that no one gives a shit unless everyone is willing to play by the same rules which is obvious they aren’t and so that being said, unless you find a better way, we’d rather go down being the titanic than hop on a smaller vessel that has Chinese ownership.Even Chile is in on the CC Hoax…paid for by BIG Renewable.
- An unprecedented winter heatwave is sweeping across a large chunk of South America, with temperatures forecast to exceed 40 degrees Celsius (104 Fahrenheit) in southwestern Brazil in the coming days.
- Climatologist Maximiliano Herrera says South America’s scorching heat represents one of the most “extreme events the world has ever seen” and one that is “rewriting all [climatic] books.”
- “Numbers speak for themselves. And it will get worse,” Herrera said Thursday via the X platform, formerly known as Twitter.
A general view of the Chilean capital under a heavy layer of smog during a winter day, in Santiago, Chile, July 27, 2023.
Ivan Alvarado | Reuters
An unprecedented winter heatwave is sweeping across a large chunk of South America, with temperatures forecast to exceed 40 degrees Celsius (104 Fahrenheit) in southwestern Brazil in the coming days.
It comes as part of a recent trend of extreme heat stretching across the globe, with the month of July poised to be recognized as the world’s hottest in history.
Unlike the extraordinary temperatures recently recorded during the northern hemisphere’s summer season, however, countries including Argentina, Chile, Paraguay and Brazil are supposed to be experiencing temperatures associated with the middle of winter.
Scientists say the winter heat is being fueled by the climate emergency and the El Niño phenomenon. El Niño is a naturally occuring climate pattern that contributes to higher temperatures across the globe.
Argentina’s capital city of Buenos Aires on Tuesday registered temperatures of 30 degrees Celsius, in what the country’s weather service said reflected the hottest start to early August in 117 years of data.
Temperatures are typically around 15 degrees Celsius in Buenos Aires at this time of year, and have not exceeded 30 degrees Celsius in winter since 2014.
“Climate change is not a distant scenario,” Argentina’s national weather service said in a Facebook post earlier this week. ”[It] is here and it is urgent to act.”
The southern part of the continent has suffered the worst of the winter heat in recent days, with temperatures expectedto remain at abnormally high levels in early August.
Climatologist Maximiliano Herrera says South America’s scorching heat represents one of the most “extreme events the world has ever seen” and one that is “rewriting all [climatic] books.”
“Numbers speak for themselves. And it will get worse,” Herrera said Thursday via the X platform, formerly known as Twitter.
‘Virtually impossible’
In Paraguay, the country’s weather service said temperatures would likely reach a maximum of 38 degrees Celsius on Friday, with the hot weather expected to stick around through the weekend.
Temperatures on Thursday hit 39.7 degrees Celsius at Paraguay’s Vallemi airport, surpassing an all-time high recorded in July.
In Chile, the mountain town of Vicuna on Tuesday registered a national record as temperatures reached 38.7 degrees Celsius.
Chile’s national weather agency said several weather stations nationwide recorded temperatures over 35 degrees Celsius at the start of the month.
Meanwhile, in Brazil, temperatures soared to over 38 degrees Celsius last week.
A study published last month found that the heatwaves baking vast swathes of North America, Europe and Asia in July would have been “virtually impossible” without the human-induced climate crisis. Scientists say the extreme weather sweeping across the globe reaffirms the urgency of cutting greenhouse gas emissions as quickly and deeply as possible.
Capiche?
I’ll keep posting this on these questions. It’s easy to point out problems, provide solutions that are equitable to the countries they affect most or STFU. Until then we HONESTLY don’t give a shit and zero you post that isn’t a solution is going to change anyone’s mind.
You’re not looking very hard. India, Egyptian, and Chinese renewable investment is very much underway.
Are you predicting china’s annual emissions drop anytime soon? In what year do you predict that China will see a decrease in CO2 emissions? Seeing that it is “very much underway” and all.
India is world's 3rd largest consumer of electricity and world's 3rd largest renewable energy producer with 40% of energy capacity installed in the year 2022 coming from renewable sources. Ernst & Young's 2021 Renewable Energy Country Attractiveness Index ranked India 3rd behind USA and China. Wikipedia
