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Giles down to final five. Kentucky included.
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Look I can't stand K as much as the next guy, but a guy who has won 5 NC is no trick pony...He is the best coach in the country and is going to beat Cal at his own game...
I agree with every thing you said minus the last comment. You think it's guaranteed he can beat Cal in any recruit? That's crazy talk.
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He may hold on to being the 1st pick instead of slipping to 3rd if he picks UK.
Duke has a lot of guys in the league, as many number one picks as UK, a number of all stars, and a lot of top level picks. Doubt that playing at Duke had any impact on Jahs draft position... More likely just being a traditional big in a landscape that doesn't seem to value them as much.
If Giles comes to Duke, I guess we'll see. Jayson Tatum didn't seem to worry. Neither did Jah, Tyus, or Justise. Things seemed to work out for them on many levels... Jah was a finalist for NPOY, won a national title, was the third overall pick in the NBA draft, and is one of the most dominant scorers and rebounders in summer league while being predicted to be a centerpiece of his team. While I know draft order is the big thing at UK now, I think Oak did pretty well for himself overall.
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Let me guess... you think that if Okafor had gone to Kentucky, that he would have magically been a great defender and 80% free throw shooter and gone #1 in the draft. You're one of those morons who thinks there's a magic potion at Kentucky that "develops" players. My god you're an idiot.
Okafor was the first freshman in ACC history to win Player of the Year in the conference and he was a consensus 1st team All-American. To suggest that Duke didn't do something right with his "development" (and we didn't even "develop" him anyway, he was already that good... something UK fans refuse to admit about their players) is absolutely asinine and ridiculous.
The NBA has changed and they value more versatile big men and guards as opposed to traditional centers. That's all it is. The fact that Okafor was the 3rd pick says nothing about Duke's ability to showcase or develop players, and anyone with half of a brain could realize that. It's all about how the game of basketball has changed.
And just to let y'all know, Kentucky has a 0% chance to land Harry Giles. So just kick back and relax and watch the NC schools fight over him.
Uhhh... if Giles goes to Duke, it would be VERY unlikely that anyone else would have the top class. How often do two of the top three, and two REALLY outrageous talents at that, go to the same school and someone else gets the top class?
UK very well could end up with the top class.
I was mainly referring to how ridiculous it was that one fan in this thread suggested that Giles' stock would drop if he goes to Duke, like Okafor's stock "dropped" from #1 to #3. The fact that Okafor dropped to #3 had nothing to do with how he was used and showcased at Duke, it is simply because of how the NBA game is changing.
I'm sure Kentucky fans would defend their guy if he was a consensus 1st team All-American (Towns was not a 1st team AA) and the first freshman player of the year in conference history (Towns was not SEC POY). Towns had a great season and I actually agreed with him being the #1 pick. I would have taken Towns. But for someone to suggest that Duke didn't do a good job of showcasing Okafor is just ridiculous.
I know y'all can't really wrap your minds around a whole lot, but it actually makes you look MORE intelligent if you're honest with yourself instead of rationalizing why everything UK is good and why everything else is bad. That's not being a "bad fan" if you give Duke props and say that Giles would do fine anywhere. That's being a good fan and showing that you have some intellectual capacity to be impartial and honest with yourself. Good lord.
This is the 100% truth, and anyone who doesn't believe this is kidding themselves. Y'all DO NOT have a magic potion at Kentucky. There IS NOT a magic potion at Duke either. The vast majority of these guys would be a superstar and a 1-and-done lottery pick REGARDLESS of where they go to school. This applies to Giles. This applies to nearly every consensus top 5-10 prospect.
Get it through your heads, people. Stop acting like y'all "develop" these players. None of us who get 1-and-done players develop them. We just don't screw them up. Be honest with yourselves.
Not doing us Duke fans any favors on this board being that snarky, Horvath.
Jerry Eaves was talking about him the other day, and while he praised him a lot, he thinks Giles is a bit overrated. Broke down his game, which showed he has seen him quite a bit and said he wasn't really stellar in any category.
I will tell you right now that playing for Cal does increase a kids draft stock. I'll use some of your players to show you that. Okafor and Winslow this year. Towns was great before UK, but Cal made him do what he had not been doing, play down low and get better at defense and thus he jumped Okafor in the draft. Okafor would have been benched he had not played D under Cal. Now Winslow, drops all the way to 10. No way that kid does that with Cal, not from what I saw out of him. Hell, Cal got MKG who can't shoot drafted 2nd and I'll tell you right now that I think Winslow has more potential than MKG. Me saying that just pissed off UK fans too, but Winslow looked like a top pick to me, and Cal would have sold the NBA on him and K doesn't do that. Austin Rivers another example, number 1 player out of high school and I don't even know where he ended up being drafted.
Winslow wasn't projected to be OAD. While I think he should have gone in the top-5 picks this season, I'm sure #10 suits him just fine, considering he gets to play for a solid Miami Heat squad as opposed to the likes of the terrible 76ers, the dysfunctional Nuggets, or the Pistons/Magic.
My point is that if a player had performed like that for Cal he would have sold him to so many teams. I'm not saying K didn't help, but I don't think anyone helps their players as much as Cal does. I don't know how Winslow would have performed under Cal, but I think it would have been the same since Cal pushes defense but I do know come draft time and the player Winslow ended up being he would have been top 5.
It depends on the player mainly. there's no universal rule about how a players draft stock will change under a certain coach. The twins and Dakari's stock fell under coach Cal while Booker and WCS's rose.
Also Anthony Davis was the number one player out of high school that year, not Austin Rivers. Rivals was the only source that had Rivers at #1 and some had him lower than MKG.
No they weren't. Okafor had been ranked #1 ever since I can remember and he slid to #3 by going to Duke. Towns was ranked #9 by espn and rose all the way to the first pick in the draft. Towns wasn't being talked about as the #1 pick until the season started to end.
ESPN also had Wall at #6, yet he was always going to be the #1 pick. Every mock draft had Towns in the top three.
Okafor wasn't #1 because he went to Duke? Come on man, that's ludicrous, considering he ended up being a First Team AA, runner up for the Wooden Award, and the first freshman to be named ACC Player of the Year.
Here's an idea. Stay the hell off this board if you can't do so without calling UK fans morons or idiots.
You don't *know* a lot of what you say you do. Given that you said in a post above that Cal would have sat Jahlil Okafor, I would take what you say with a grain of salt.
Okafor didn't drop because he went to Duke. Duke is an elite program and they produce great players. It could, however, legitimately be said that Towns was boosted to the #1 pick by the way Cal used and developed him. He came in as a versatile big man who could shoot and was already a good defender. Cal, however, taught him enough post moves for NBA scouts to see how much potential he really had.
I see Giles as a power forward version of Okafor. Blue chip player, already very polished and will almost surely go top 3 wherever he goes. It's possible someone will show crazy potential and go before him. But a coach would have to sorely misuse him and hold him back to be anything but a top 3 pick. And coach K ain't gonna do that.
I see Giles as a power forward version of Okafor. Blue chip player, already very polished and will almost surely go top 3 wherever he goes. It's possible someone will show crazy potential and go before him. But a coach would have to sorely misuse him and hold him back to be anything but a top 3 pick. And coach K ain't gonna do that.
