Fox and Monk info courtesy of Giles

[bucsrule8872]

Ulis height issue huh?
Tell me that when he is locking down your best guard and hitting daggers and dropping dimes.

Yeah, I can't understand how Ulis is not going to get drafted because of his size, while Mason is only two inches taller and essentially plays SG (Graham is the primary PG- that's straight from a KU fan) and he is a first round lock according to KU fans.

Makes no sense.

 

[kentucky_wildcat_#1]

Ulis is more likely to leave than Mason. 5'8 PG is still a more attractive prospect than a 5'10 SG.

I think Selden and Briscoe both leave. Briscoe wants to be OAD and will take off even if he is second round.

Mykhailiuk could go back home to play.

In the end, I think Mason and Graham return. KU is going to be pretty solid with Graham, Mason, Greene, Bragg, and Bolden (I think he signs with KU) as their starters. Lots of experience.

UK likely gets Fox, at least. Monk goes to UK or Arkansas.

You mean to tell me this KU fan is worried about Ulis's height when Mason is only 5'10? Wow! I was thinking Mason was 6'1ish. If he's really only 5'10, i'll take Ulis's potential over Mason in the nba every single time. At least Ulis understands the fact he's a point guard and has to lead. Mason is Iverson without the talent. I think you're right KU will be solid with that group, but here lately, solid is all KU can hope for. When you return a bunch of decent guards, you will turn out to be a decent team and nothing more. When KU starts landing elite guards again, we will see KU back in the final four with us. If Mason is 5'10, no way in he11 that kid has more NBA potential than Briscoe. Briscoe is a big physical guard with the frame to take contact. That will be more valuable than a 5'10 shooting guard.

 

[jrpross]

Lord, I hope it works out that way. Those 2 would be the best guard tandem in the country and they know it. They'd be thunder and lightning. Batman and robin! Thelma and Louise!........Well, maybe not Thelma and Louise......

 

[Jkwo]

They choked because of inexperience. I think Fox/Monk would be talented enough in college for Kentucky to win it all. I also think they are inexperienced enough that they might "choke" a la Rose/CDR.

Confirmation bias.

Go look at Cal's teams in the tournament from the beginning til now. Go look at the box score of their final game.

Everyone is nervous in the Final Four. That's a given. And UK is at the F4 constantly. But our upperclassmen consistently see the same or usually a bigger hit from their normal performance than did our freshmen.

Go look at who came through for us in the 2010 E8, 2011 final four, the 2012 championship, the 2014 championship game, the 2015 F4 game, hell even the Robert Morris NIT game.

The best 2-4 players were ALWAYS freshmen in those games - and it's not like UK hasn't had unbelievable upperclassmen in that time. Junior Patterson, Senior Darius Miller, Soph Terrence Jones and Doron Lamb, Junior WCS, etc.

Hyper Elite freshmen who are used to playing the very best in AAU tourneys don't choke any more than upperclassmen. That narrative just doesn't jive with the numbers. At least not at UK.

 

[gracetoyou]

They choked because of inexperience. I think Fox/Monk would be talented enough in college for Kentucky to win it all. I also think they are inexperienced enough that they might "choke" a la Rose/CDR.

Let's face it...a missed free throw & a lucky shot by Chalmers

 

[KnowsAllTellsAll]

Ulis height issue huh?
Tell me that when he is locking down your best guard and hitting daggers and dropping dimes.

That will absolutely not happen.

 

[KnowsAllTellsAll]

You mean to tell me this KU fan is worried about Ulis's height when Mason is only 5'10? Wow! I was thinking Mason was 6'1ish. If he's really only 5'10, i'll take Ulis's potential over Mason in the nba every single time. At least Ulis understands the fact he's a point guard and has to lead. Mason is Iverson without the talent. I think you're right KU will be solid with that group, but here lately, solid is all KU can hope for. When you return a bunch of decent guards, you will turn out to be a decent team and nothing more. When KU starts landing elite guards again, we will see KU back in the final four with us. If Mason is 5'10, no way in he11 that kid has more NBA potential than Briscoe. Briscoe is a big physical guard with the frame to take contact. That will be more valuable than a 5'10 shooting guard.

Ulis/Mason - both may leave. Neither will get drafted. Both will play professionally.

Graham will be the starting point guard for KU this year.

 

[kentucky_wildcat_#1]

You know, i would rather choke in the final four/national championship than choke in the second round like KU has been doing a lot lately with their experienced guards. I have seen junior/senior guards miss free throws to lose tourney games. You take a kid that is a junior that hasn't made the final four before, he won't have experience and is just as likely to miss a free throw than a freshman that also hasn't been to a final four before. We take talent over experience every single year here at Kentucky and with Cal's results, i would never dare to argue with his method.

 

[mebeblue2]

what is your excuse for KU choking in so many NCAAT's

Ulis will 100% be drafted (barring injury)
i highly doubt Mason will be drafted

 

[ulismyman]

Can i just enjoy my favorite player Ulis without worrying about going to pros...5, 8" guards dont go pro...Calvin Mitphy not walkin thru that door

 

[WildMoon]

One thing KU fan knows is how to choke.

The bias hilarity from KU fan is funnnyyyyyyy

 

[Fitch44]

They choked because of inexperience. I think Fox/Monk would be talented enough in college for Kentucky to win it all. I also think they are inexperienced enough that they might "choke" a la Rose/CDR.

They missed free throws. That simple.
If they choked due to inexperience what excuse do you have when juniors and seniors on Kansas miss free throws or costly turnovers?

 

[SilentsAreGolden]

Best gif ever.

 

[SilentsAreGolden]

Ulis is more likely to leave than Mason. 5'8 PG is still a more attractive prospect than a 5'10 SG.

Mykhailiuk could go back home to play.

I remember when Svi committed and I looked at some clips of his. First thing I noticed right away was the competition he was going against was not on the level of top high schools in the US. That, and the fact that he was so young when he got to KU told me he was unlikely to do anything his freshman season and that turned out to be the case. I don't claim any great scouting ability though, it was pretty easy to call.

 

[UKCATSFREAK]

Ulis - height issue.
Briscoe - can't shoot, won't be able to overpower defenders, was ball dominant in high school, will have to show he can create for others. I think it will take him time to develop these skills, but he can be an NBA player in a couple of years.
Murray - one and done talent then off to the NBA.

I think Selden has a shot at getting drafted this year. He's always shown glimpses, he has just been inconsistent. Many of the UConn and Louisville points who were short 2g got drafted. So can Mason.

While Briscoe may not be consider a dead eye shooter or a pure shooter, saying he can't shoot is not true. He shot 35% from 3, 50% from 2, and 72% from the line. Now, that's not setting the nets on fire from shooting, although 50% is pretty damn good for a guard, those are respectable stats and far from saying he can't shoot. I think Briscoe will surprise you this year.

 

[ThroughBlue]

They missed free throws. That simple.
If they choked due to inexperience what excuse do you have when juniors and seniors on Kansas miss free throws or costly turnovers?

Running out of time

 

[mustnotsleepnow]

They choked because of inexperience. I think Fox/Monk would be talented enough in college for Kentucky to win it all. I also think they are inexperienced enough that they might "choke" a la Rose/CDR.

You're only saying that because it fits your narrative.

Plenty of upperclassmen have missed free throws in important moments.

I'm just glad Teague, Davis, Wiltjer and MKG didn't let their inexperience get in the way of hoisting that championship trophy as the experienced Kansas players got dressed in the locker room.

 

[wildcatsboston1984]

Kansas fans should be well versed in choking given their Jayhawks are experts at choking in the second round. Rock Chalk has practically made it an art form.

 

[1war]

You're only saying that because it fits your narrative.

Plenty of upperclassmen have missed free throws in important moments.

I'm just glad Teague, Davis, Wiltjer and MKG didn't let their inexperience get in the way of hoisting that championship trophy as the experienced Kansas players got dressed in the locker room.

CDR was a junior and went 1-4 at the line in crunch time, that's not an inexperienced player.

 

[mustnotsleepnow]

Exactly.

 

[buckkiller]

Kansas fans talking about choking MMMWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAH A team loaded with freshman make it to a FF yeah that is a real.big choke job morons! You might want to look at selfs NCAA resume before you start talking choking !! DUR DUH DUR Pppfffffff. Lil step brother bout as bad as L1cwhore

 

[RondoBaller21]

Fox and monk are uk bound and there's nothing this kansas turd can do about it.

 

[bucsrule8872]

Everyone wants to talk about how much talent Cal had with Rose and CDR, but KU was the absolutely most talented team of the two, top to bottom.

Rush was an incredible talent out of HS. He was underrated by some because of academic issues. Charmers, Collins, and Robinson were elite guys. Arthur was a top 10 guy. The other guys weren't scrubs either. Their 8th man was Aldrich and he was a top 10 player, IIRC. And they were experienced.

Memphis, outside of the aforementioned Rose, did not have that level of elite talent and definitely did not have the depth of talent.

I disagree with people who say that Memphis was the most talented team by a mile and choked it away. Clearly not true.

 

[Poetax]

Selden and Mason are more likely to enter the draft than Ulis and Briscoe. Don't care where Briscoe is at on mock drafts now, once he plays, he'll fall out of the mocks. Also, Svi if he lives up to the hype has a chance to go too.

Can someone tell me if Zagoria is a Kentucky alumn? His website completely panders to the Kentucky fanbase.

You come all the way over here to cry about Zagoria? Do you have a life?

 

[KnowsAllTellsAll]

Wait a minute. I did not throw out the term "choke" a UK fan did. I just used it in my response to keep the discussion parallel. And every team has their upsets in the tournament like Duke and Arizona and North Carolina getting sent home early and Kentucky missing the NCAA and losing to RM in the NIT. Kansas may be in what Kentucky would consider a drought, given your recent success advancing so far in the tourney, but we were in the title game just 3 years ago. How many programs would love to say that?

 

[KnowsAllTellsAll]

You're only saying that because it fits your narrative.

Plenty of upperclassmen have missed free throws in important moments.

I'm just glad Teague, Davis, Wiltjer and MKG didn't let their inexperience get in the way of hoisting that championship trophy as the experienced Kansas players got dressed in the locker room.

Should I use an example that doesn't fit my narrative? Are you saying an upperclassman is less likely to miss a clutch free throw than a freshman?

 

[mustnotsleepnow]

Should I use an example that doesn't fit my narrative? Are you saying an upperclassman is less likely to miss a clutch free throw than a freshman?

I'm saying I don't think there is a direct correlation between experience and making late game free throws.

This is just something people like to throw out there but don't have any data to back it up.

 

[RondoBaller21]

Briscoe is better than any gaurd on kansas's team. You will see once the ku gaurds choke like they always do.

 

[ralphdaltonfan]

Malik Monk, De'Aaron Fox could team up in college

Some interesting info about the two and also interesting that the info comes from Giles.

Fox has been recruiting for UK for some time--he was done for you guys once he got offered.

Monk has loved UK and was/is the guy that Cal has been preaching "positionless" basketball to sell fact he and Fox are interchangeable. (which btw they are)

Giles is seeing the group UK is putting together for next year and it's appealing. Will that be enough to overcome his bromance of Jayson Tatum? Unlikely. However it's impressive as he knows he'd not be relegated to paint--which is why he's so big on team he plays for having 5's in place--UK has Humphries/Wynyard and it's why they have stayed with Bolden......best thing for UK is if Bolden goes to KU over Duke imo. Maybe it won't matter--but Giles wants to be used like Julius Randle and face the hoop/play on wing a lot.

 

[Jkwo]

Should I use an example that doesn't fit my narrative? Are you saying an upperclassman is less likely to miss a clutch free throw than a freshman?

The point is that every year, the majority of teams lose their last game of the season on clanked shots by non freshmen (not saying that non freshmen are worse, just that most of the players in at the end of tourney games happen to not be freshmen). When that happens, as it does for every team but one, people like you don't find it particularly noteworthy - it's just a part of the game. Sometimes you make it, sometimes you don't - and it is tougher late in games with tough opponents.

But when it happens to freshmen, then suddenly people like you rush to make the observation that it occurred primarily because the kid was a freshman.. even though there's no concrete reason to think that's the case, particularly when you're talking about the kind of kids who've already played at the Nike world hoop summit, or in the olympic qualifiers like Murray, etc.

When you see how ridiculously successful Cal has been, it's obviously just a rationalizing tactic that people use to take UK down a peg in their minds (same as when rival fans say that Cal is mediocre at Xs and Os, they want to take him down a peg with all of his wild success on the court).

 

[Ghettobird]

Fox has been recruiting for UK for some time--he was done for you guys once he got offered.

Monk has loved UK and was/is the guy that Cal has been preaching "positionless" basketball to sell fact he and Fox are interchangeable. (which btw they are)

Giles is seeing the group UK is putting together for next year and it's appealing. Will that be enough to overcome his bromance of Jayson Tatum? Unlikely. However it's impressive as he knows he'd not be relegated to paint--which is why he's so big on team he plays for having 5's in place--UK has Humphries/Wynyard and it's why they have stayed with Bolden......best thing for UK is if Bolden goes to KU over Duke imo. Maybe it won't matter--but Giles wants to be used like Julius Randle and face the hoop/play on wing a lot.

Giles will not be used like that at Duke, no possible way.

 

[Aike]

Wait a minute. I did not throw out the term "choke" a UK fan did. I just used it in my response to keep the discussion parallel. And every team has their upsets in the tournament like Duke and Arizona and North Carolina getting sent home early and Kentucky missing the NCAA and losing to RM in the NIT. Kansas may be in what Kentucky would consider a drought, given your recent success advancing so far in the tourney, but we were in the title game just 3 years ago. How many programs would love to say that?

Kentucky missed the tourney after their best player was lost for the season.

Then we went on the road to play RM, because we didn't want to be bothered to find a venue, and clearly were not invested in the outcome.

But I love it that rival fans have that to cling to when looking for UK choke jobs.

 

[Willy4UK]

Giles will not be used like that at Duke, no possible way.

Yep. Giles will start out with the accolades and as the season gets longer, others will pass him up in improvement. He may be so good that no one will pass him up overall, but you'll see other players make much bigger improvements to their game than Giles will do for his game, if he goes to Duke.

Giles will basically be rebounding for Duke's 3-point shooting. He'll easily avg a double double.

 

[hoggwildcat]

They missed free throws. That simple.
If they choked due to inexperience what excuse do you have when juniors and seniors on Kansas miss free throws or costly turnovers?

It was not choking, Memphis was a bad free throw shooting team, like 62%. If I am not mistaken, if Memphis would have won, they would have the lowest free throw shooting % team in history to win the championship.

 

[UKCATSFREAK]

Confirmation bias.

Go look at Cal's teams in the tournament from the beginning til now. Go look at the box score of their final game.

Everyone is nervous in the Final Four. That's a given. And UK is at the F4 constantly. But our upperclassmen consistently see the same or usually a bigger hit from their normal performance than did our freshmen.

Go look at who came through for us in the 2010 E8, 2011 final four, the 2012 championship, the 2014 championship game, the 2015 F4 game, hell even the Robert Morris NIT game.

The best 2-4 players were ALWAYS freshmen in those games - and it's not like UK hasn't had unbelievable upperclassmen in that time. Junior Patterson, Senior Darius Miller, Soph Terrence Jones and Doron Lamb, Junior WCS, etc.

Hyper Elite freshmen who are used to playing the very best in AAU tourneys don't choke any more than upperclassmen. That narrative just doesn't jive with the numbers. At least not at UK.

Great points! Great post!

 

[1war]

It was not choking, Memphis was a bad free throw shooting team, like 62%. If I am not mistaken, if Memphis would have won, they would have the lowest free throw shooting % team in history to win the championship.

They were a poor free throw shooting team throughout the season , but they were much better in the tournament. Their last six free throws were shot by CDR 1-4 and Rose 1-2, both 72% free throw shooters on the season (best on the team). CDR was a junior so inexperience had nothing to do with it as the Kansas fan was trying to say.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

I actually love it that Kansas fans STILL come around here at this point. We haven't lost to you under Cal, we beat you for the title, we absolutely waxed you last year, We have beaten you in recruiting in every recent year, the current year, and none of that looks to be changing.

You're like a battered woman, still coming back after all these years.

 

[martinsm30]

The KU fans are hoping it's their year to finally beat us. I think that 32 point beat down has really gotten to them when stacked on everything else.

 

[Aike]

I actually love it that Kansas fans STILL come around here at this point. We haven't lost to you under Cal, we beat you for the title, we absolutely waxed you last year, We have beating you in recruiting in every recent year, the current year, and none of that looks to be changing.

You're like a battered woman, still coming back after all these years.

We have significantly owned them, haven't we? Even when they come out ahead they lose.

Beat us for Wiggins. We go to title game while Wiggins bows out in round of 32.

Beat us for Oubre. We go to Final Four, Oubre and Kansas lose in second round again, AND Booker gets drafted ahead of Oubre.

You would think they would be a little more subdued.

 

[mebeblue2]

most KU fans are pretty decent
the one we have in this thread is dumber than a box of rocks