102 more than youCal needs to win more but Tom “102 career rebounds” Heitz needs to stop trolling.
102 more than youCal needs to win more but Tom “102 career rebounds” Heitz needs to stop trolling.
You beat me to itThat’s 102 more rebounds than you have at UK. lol
Absolutely.Are you a fan of OAD? Why don't you just sack up and state your own opinion instead of cutting into other people? I get it, it's easier to pick apart others instead of having to defend your own position, but it's lazy and predictable.
Cool...so you're a basketball fan that prefers to watch "Wow" players like Zion Williamson vs. Karl Anthony Towns/Paskal Siakim...better players that win more.Absolutely.
I love watching the hi end talent.
I like watching Monk go for 45 or Knight popping the jersey as his sends overall #1 home.
Davis and MKG speaks for itself.
Cal took the talent to a different level.
Never want to go back to Tubbyball.
In one season went went from Micheal Porter to John Wall.
How exactly does Cal "get a guy into the "league "?The question isn't about the era of basketball or the game changing. The question is; what is the priority?? Getting guys into the league, OR doing what it takes to win basketball games for Kentucky? Most of us are sick and tired of Cal's priorities. His priorities don't align with the fans'. Do what you're payed handsomely to do, Cal.
This. You've recognized the simple (and only) point Heinz actually made, while it seems others have gone off on red-herring tangents about OADs, the difference in the game when he played vs now, etc.The question isn't about the era of basketball or the game changing. The question is; what is the priority?? Getting guys into the league, OR doing what it takes to win basketball games for Kentucky? Most of us are sick and tired of Cal's priorities. His priorities don't align with the fans'. Do what you're payed handsomely to do, Cal.
Have you ever noticed that Cal is ALWAYS trying to "figure it out". He never seems to get it done each year and then starting over with an entirely new roster in the fall. It's narcissistic lunacy designed to feed an ego that is just damned tiring.And we still get out-rebounded with three (3) 7-foot players and a bunch of athletic 2's and 3's? WTF
I love Rick but he cut the nets down with a Cal like roster.Cool...so you're a basketball fan that prefers to watch "Wow" players like Zion Williamson vs. Karl Anthony Towns/Paskal Siakim...better players that win more.
We get it....but winning games and titles are what some turn on UK games for and it's not a Tubby vs. Cal....maybe you can get to a Rick Pitino model that wins more.
Flipowski.name one top recruit at any school that did not have one foot out the door
I bet you’re under 40 and think anyone older than you with any opinion is irrelevant. I have to ask how come this generation trashes everything they touch?Utmost respect for Sam and Tom.
They will forever be entitled to their opinion with respect to Kentucky Basketball.
However, the basketball world they grew up in no longer exists and hasn't for years.
Their opinions are irrelevant.
So no, Tom don't get it.
that is why the former players need to be associated with the programNow you all see why Sam made the statement he did at the UGA game. The old timers do NOT like the One-And-Done model Cal has allowed to DESTROY our program's legacy.
I have heard SEVERAL former Pre-Cal players state that they are tired of Cal.
you are correct it has changed & not for the better imoUtmost respect for Sam and Tom.
They will forever be entitled to their opinion with respect to Kentucky Basketball.
However, the basketball world they grew up in no longer exists and hasn't for years.
Their opinions are irrelevant.
So no, Tom don't get it.
ccc says one thing & does just the opposite. he can not tell the truth & worries about nothing but putting someone in the NBA. He may land the 5* recruit, but they often times play like a 2 or 3* under his guidance.Coach Cal isn’t the creator of “one and done”, and he is on record not being a fan of that system. He could avoid “one and done” fatigue by intentionally recruiting less talented players. Passing up on a 5-star so we can land a 2 or 3 -star is a ridiculous notion in my opinion. Cal is working within the parameters of a system he did not create, I think it’s fair to critically look at all aspects of his coaching, but while most (including myself) seem to be exhausted by “one and done”, I’m glad our incoming classes are among the top-rated in the nation on a consistent basis. “One and done” is a direct result of landing the most talented players in the country.
Should our next coach guarantee us that he will intentionally recruit lesser talent so we can land 4-year players? Would that make fans happier? I don’t think that’s really what we want, even though we all get frustrated at times with the current system, and it’s understandable to vent about it.
NCAA championships......he can't even win the SEC or the SEC tournamentAre some of you really this dense?
Cal puts getting players drafted over winning games and championships at UK!
If he could do both it would be great. He lucked into it one time.
It’s time to get back to winning games and championships. We’re just a NBA farm team at this point.
disagree completely.Utmost respect for Sam and Tom.
They will forever be entitled to their opinion with respect to Kentucky Basketball.
However, the basketball world they grew up in no longer exists and hasn't for years.
Their opinions are irrelevant.
So no, Tom don't get it.
You guys still do not get it. You DO NOT have to have the top 5 stars at every position if you have the right coaching. Schools win championships every year with less talent than we have. They DEVELOP and coach players up.His first 6 recruiting classes were money.
Wall, Cousins,Knight,Jones MKG, Davis, Randle,Towns.
Replace those guys with
Avery Bradley
Derrick Favors
Josh Selby
CJ Leslie
Quincy Miller
Cody Zeller
Andrew Wiggins
Jahlil Okafor.
Group 2 is a hell of a recruiting haul but no way it would have produced the wins and FF's and Title.
Group 1 wasn't just 5 stars recruits, they were the right 5 star recruits.
Last 6 years has been opposite.
Highly rated overall classes but missing the true difference makers.
Good one. Another way to say it is he only had 102 more rebounds than I did and I never seen the court.You beat me to it
Bigot much?Cak has one title, only one UK coach has more. This argument is beyond dumb regardless of who says it. But I'm sure the hilljacks will rally 'round it
Not trying to argue, I like your thoughts, but if we can attract and keep players, why do so many leave ??Of course, I can't say who will and who won't stay either - or for how long. But that's always been the case to some degree, right? Although it's definitely got to be a bigger issue now. Still, everybody is playing by the same rules when it comes to building rosters - and others seem to be able to create contending continuity. And would you agree with me that UK doesn't have to take a backseat to any program in CBB when it comes to attracting and keeping players?
No, didn’t take it that way at all. With the respectful way you discuss things, feel free to question any opinion I’ve got. Cause I’ll be wrong, or at least fail to take everything into account, plenty. I’ll gladly consider and respect any thoughts or contrary opinion you or others here have. I just like sharing basketball thoughts – especially regarding UK - with the most knowledgeable CBB fans in existence. My only caveat is I'm not interested in engaging in the type of ignorant and childish bickering that all too often infests social media.Not trying to argue, I like your thoughts, but if we can attract and keep players, why do so many leave ??
Apparently you didn’t understand what he was saying. Geez. Cal does not recruit or coach to achieve NCAA titles. That is well known. How come you don’t know that?Utmost respect for Sam and Tom.
They will forever be entitled to their opinion with respect to Kentucky Basketball.
However, the basketball world they grew up in no longer exists and hasn't for years.
Their opinions are irrelevant.
So no, Tom don't get it.
This clown might be from the pot pie family. No telling how many other user names he has had.Your previous user name?
Oh I definitely understand what he was sayingGuess you are the one who doesn’t get it then, unless you are saying that more players in the NBA that played at UK is more important to you as a fan than KY actually having success and winning titles. And no the two don’t go hand in hand. How many players are now playing professionally from 2016-2023 that we never even made the final four?
You tried reading too much into Toms simple question when his question was really that simple.
So strange that this is a thing. People with multiple accounts and what not. I don't have time to keep up with that and figuring out who is who and the like. These people with separate internet lives and personas exhibit mystifying, narcissistic behavior. They need to seek some help. I'll let you guys do the digging.This clown might be from the pot pie family. No telling how many other user names he has had.
You guys still do not get it. You DO NOT have to have the top 5 stars at every position if you have the right coaching. Schools win championships every year with less talent than we have. They DEVELOP and coach players up.
What is a more logical conclusion(s).
1. Our classes just have been overrated for 6 + years straight?
or.
2. Our coaching is overrated?
1. We have had 30 + players in a roll suck?
or
2. One common denominator sucks?
1. You need a freakish once in decades level of talent like 2009-10 to win?
or
2. Maybe the coaching just isn't up to par?
False choice fallacy. Most NCAA champion teams aren't OAD. I can only think of three, Carmelo's Syracuse team, Okafor's Duke team, and UK 2012. But we don't have to choose between all freshmen OR Michael Porter. That's a disingenuous argument and very lazy.Absolutely.
I love watching the hi end talent.
I like watching Monk go for 45 or Knight popping the jersey as his sends overall #1 home.
Davis and MKG speaks for itself.
Cal took the talent to a different level.
Never want to go back to Tubbyball.
In one season went went from Micheal Porter to John Wall.
Speaking of Porter, the cleaning of the mess BCG made was unpresidented in CBB.False choice fallacy. Most NCAA champion teams aren't OAD. I can only think of three, Carmelo's Syracuse team, Okafor's Duke team, and UK 2012. But we don't have to choose between all freshmen OR Michael Porter. That's a disingenuous argument and very lazy.
Stop changing the subject just because your main point blew apart. OAD isn't a long term solution and it's not an effective way to build or maintain a program, and you know it.Speaking of Porter, the cleaning of the mess BCG made was unpresidented in CBB.
We won 128 games in the first 3 years post BCG.
Three EE, two FF and one Title.
When have UK fans ever been patient.
That's why Cal was the only coach for the job.
If Tubby had taken over for BCG and a depleted roster, how long would it have taken with his slow and steady method.
You could also throw a Rick Barnes in that scenario.
He would have got the program back but it wouldn't have been fast.
400 wins is 400 wins anyway you look at it.
It got us out of the hole.Stop changing the subject just because your main point blew apart. OAD isn't a long term solution and it's not an effective way to build or maintain a program, and you know it.
Changing the subject again. Long term solution?It got us out of the hole.
Got us 128 wins and a title.
Where do we rank in wins during his time here?
Solution to what? Winning a title?Changing the subject again. Long term solution?
So its either one and done players looking to leave after one year hell or high water ...or 3 stars......... so players ranked 11th- 4 stars arent a thing? Cal's methods havent produced a 1 seed or a final four ..will be 9 years after this season. you have zero facts to come at this as if his system works anymore.Coach Cal isn’t the creator of “one and done”, and he is on record not being a fan of that system. He could avoid “one and done” fatigue by intentionally recruiting less talented players. Passing up on a 5-star so we can land a 2 or 3 -star is a ridiculous notion in my opinion. Cal is working within the parameters of a system he did not create, I think it’s fair to critically look at all aspects of his coaching, but while most (including myself) seem to be exhausted by “one and done”, I’m glad our incoming classes are among the top-rated in the nation on a consistent basis. “One and done” is a direct result of landing the most talented players in the country.
Should our next coach guarantee us that he will intentionally recruit lesser talent so we can land 4-year players? Would that make fans happier? I don’t think that’s really what we want, even though we all get frustrated at times with the current system, and it’s understandable to vent about it.