IMO it definitely had set up written all over it.The envelope just happened to pop open in front of UCLA fans who called the news? Yeah right.. I have always wondered if Denny Crum and UL might have been working with UCLA's hatchet people? Crum was shady as hell back in the day. Strange he never was connected to Sam Gilbert and his play for pay at UCLA. Denny was lead recruiter IIRC?
For those who remember the Sutton scandel in the 80's
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Like it was yesterday, got my first iPhone that morning and then the Emory scandal ruined the experience. Spent the rest of the day on ps4 and binge watching Game of thrones as a distraction.
Just finished watching an episode of the Twilight Zone,this is getting too weird even for me,I'm out for tonight
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Easy on Coach Harville... he was too busy checking out the girls in PE class to be involved in any of this.
What's crazy to me is just the idea that there are UK fans who don't remember what happened. It was such a fundamental part of my childhood. It was like one day, all the kids at Lansdowne Elementary stopped wearing UK gear. The parents and teachers stopped talking and watching UK hoops. The whole city felt like it changed for a year or two.
Did you ever try and open one of those envelopes? Some of them would survive a nuclear explosion. Kentucky was taking the best pics out of California and UCLA couldn't stand it. I always thought it was a setup and UCLA was who sent the package.
That envelope could absolutely come open in a sorting facility on belts and being amongst 1000's of other packages.
Alot of dodging of blame 30 years later. We got caught, we did the time for the crime. $1,000. At least we stood up and took it like a man. Sean Miller,$100,000. Still nothing happened, KU also around that number, they're still getting 5 star players. UNC AND DUKE the worst cheaters in the history of the NCAA and wouldn't you know it, a full pardon lol. Named by all sports affiliates as "the greatest rivalry in college basketball history" but as of yet put on same side of NCAA tournament bracket SMFDH.
UL Paying the price as deserved.
Amazing how corrupt these NCAA bastards are.
UL Paying the price as deserved.
Amazing how corrupt these NCAA bastards are.
Manuel - no doubt. His not getting to play at U.K. deflated him for the rest of his playing career.
Of all of those listed, Dwayne Casey was, IMHO, the least innocent of the lot.
Of all of those listed, Dwayne Casey was, IMHO, the least innocent of the lot.
I don't think Eric cheated, but I do think someone else took the test on the same day and turned it in as Eric's test. I thought that was proved. He definitely got the worst of the deal! Eddie coached again and Casey has had a successful career in the NBA Coaching!
The reported figure was $1000. John Feinstein used the $10,000 figure multiple times for nearly three decades until I finally got him to stop (I think) when I complained to the Washington Post editors and they forced him to write a formal retraction (in which he spent most of the time criticizing me personally, not the first time BTW.)
Also Feinstein & a few others made a lot of effort trying to paint a picture of the envelope “bursting” or “popping” open with cash flying out etc. That’s all hyperbole. If you go back to the description as reported in Raw Recruits it simply says that the person sorting the envelopes noticed the flap open and inspected the inside.
There was reportedly a videotape and 20 x $50 bills.
Thanks Spell Check Police...what would we ever do without you?
As my earlier post alluded to, what happened to/where is the videotape and money? Did/has anyone ever actually seen it? Were they produced by anyone at the civil trial? These are rhetorical thought questions because I don't believe they ever existed, or at least were never sent from the UK Basketball offices. IMO.
Reportedly they were delivered to the residence of Claude Mills (Chris’ father). I’ll have to check back in Raw Recruits to see if they got a signature for the delivery. Don’t know if that information ever was mentioned in the trial.
FWIW, I don’t have any doubt that there’s was a package. I do question whether it was tampered with sometime between when it was prepared in Lexington & delivered in LA.
Did you major in being a douchebag or did your parents instill it in you at a young age?
As a side note thank you to the creator of the ignore feature. It makes me extremely happy that l no longer have to read your post.
Hey I hated it like heck, caught grief like you wouldn't believe. We served our punishment and came back from it , unlike the JailHawks, UNCHeat,and DOOK !!
All I know is the next year after the scandal I was at a UK football game and after the game I returned to my car over by the Cliff and saw Dwayne get in a spanking new Mercedes and drive away.
I remember thinking “Pretty nice ride for a guy without a job”
Nice settlement from Emery
I remember thinking “Pretty nice ride for a guy without a job”
Nice settlement from Emery
At the time the necklace was stolen the pawn shop had a policy that it took your picture with the merchandise you were pawning/selling. Rumor has it he was caught on photo with said necklace. I would have personally given Kemp a car and kicked the shit out of Sean.
IIRC, after the pawn shop identified Kemp, UK was backing up at warp speed, “it was just a misunderstanding”,etc., etc.
Kemp’s days were short at UK after that.
Kemp’s days were short at UK after that.
The package and videotape certainly existed, and it wasn't the only package sent from UK to the Mills' family. I'm also fairly certain Claude Mills signed for it.
The money almost certainly existed, too. When someone at Emery reported the open package, and what was in it, that info went through layers of supervisors before the package was sent out. A lot of people involved to just be making things up.
Where the money originated from is open to debate, especially since we're talking about a package that came open at some point. One possible explanation is that the package was initially left unsealed, and a booster dropped in the cash before it was shipped out (which would also make it more likely that it wasn't sealed properly).
The other possibilities are all over this thread, because yeah, it's natural to be suspicious that this ever got reported to the media. We'll never really know the truth.
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dont think the settlement was that soon...could be wrong though
Glad to know I was not the only one. The Instagram posts making fun of UK was over the top. I was not and still not on FB though.
I know a guy who thinks you can't say "we" unless you went to UK yet wasn't a fan of Kentucky before he went to school there, had no idea about the Emory scandal or who Cameron Mills was.
Can you even imagine going through that scandal in today's era? We wouldn't be able to escape it with the way technology dominates our lives.
Plus if you were gong to do something shady why would you mail something via a very traceable means like emery?
It would be absolutely miserable. Maybe not as miserable as UofL fans have been the past couple years and I am fine with that.
I used to work at one of the large Louisville law firms. I remember the partner in charge of that office telling me that he had a client - I didn’t know the name, initials were JH - who claimed that, as a big UK fan he had open access to the basketball facilities, and that it was he, this client, that put the $1000 into the envelope headed to Mills. Hard to imagine our controls were that lax, but then again, maybe not.....No idea about JH and whether he was a credible person or not - but the lawyer telling me the story certainly was, and he believed the story....
The question then is: Did the staff know that he did this? If so, it explains the story of one of the boosters having a quick meeting with Sutton when the story broke and walking out of the room looking like he had just been run over by a truck (or something like that).
If the staff didn't know, how in the world did he pull it off? Seems unlikely that he saw the package sitting unopened on a desk and slipped it in.
Yea, Myspace was the big thing then. First really big scandal I remember after signing up for Twitter. It was crazy.
In the '80's I played a lot of pickup games in the Seaton Center and other outside courts with quite a few of the UK players. Manual was a very good player. Chris Mills was ridiculous and so much better than anyone else I'd seen up close. He just toyed with everyone with his combination of skills and height. That team Coach Sutton was putting together would have been a juggernaut.
Before all of this happened Emery Air Freight was a pretty big name in sending overnight packages. I have not heard their name mentioned in years, other than when someone talks about this.
I think they may have been gobbled up by UPS or somebody like that. But I never see their trucks around town. UPS and FedX are seen every day. I used them often before this broke and never used them again after this story came out. How can you trust a company that handled this incident like they did? Emery didn't contact the Mills when it happened and tell them they have a package with $1,000 cash in it. (it was against policy to ship cash in the package) but did have time to call the media and break open a scandal. Once the media got involved truth was secondary.
I think they may have been gobbled up by UPS or somebody like that. But I never see their trucks around town. UPS and FedX are seen every day. I used them often before this broke and never used them again after this story came out. How can you trust a company that handled this incident like they did? Emery didn't contact the Mills when it happened and tell them they have a package with $1,000 cash in it. (it was against policy to ship cash in the package) but did have time to call the media and break open a scandal. Once the media got involved truth was secondary.
