Nothing new here. Just the story of the last 70 years of UK football. New coaches = promises and a couple of mid bowl games then back into the rut of hopelessness. I don’t think Nick Saban could win here.
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A coach like Nick Saban might not win at the level he did at Alabama, but he would absolutely have us in play off contention within 5 years. No doubt in my mind. No offense OP but I'm so sick of this accepting of failure based on the past. We don't tolerate losing in basketball and we shouldn't accept it with football. We can do better and that starts with fans demanding better. Enough of the Eeyore that's the way things have always been excuses. 75% of our problem is culture, discipline, and scheme. Maybe 25% talent. I mean does anyone here believe that Louisville has more overall talent than us reflective of today's score? They certainly have better coaching talent, culture, mindset etc. But better player talent overall? Absolutely not.
Gonna have to get way better players to compete for playoff bids and sec titles.
Basketball has way better players most seasons. That's why they win. Not rocket science.
You’re just not going to change the perception of this program. No coach is going to. We have to take guys that can’t get other big boy jobs and if they did well enough, they’d bounce to a better traditional program if they got the chance.
We have one of the smallest stadiums in the conference, we never go to any BCS type bowl, we can’t beat Georgia, we’ve watched teams be down and then surpass us again. We can’t shake the stigma of being a basketball program. We celebrate mediocrity here so much as if you’re supposed to be happy you made the Music City Bowl.
The sample size is big enough to confidently say we cannot compete in the SEC, and unless we’re going to get someone who has an exciting offense and will let a QB sling it and showcase his skills here and run a system where skill players want to be here and not be wasted, we’re just gonna be taking the money and being told to be happy with 6-6.
We have one of the smallest stadiums in the conference, we never go to any BCS type bowl, we can’t beat Georgia, we’ve watched teams be down and then surpass us again. We can’t shake the stigma of being a basketball program. We celebrate mediocrity here so much as if you’re supposed to be happy you made the Music City Bowl.
The sample size is big enough to confidently say we cannot compete in the SEC, and unless we’re going to get someone who has an exciting offense and will let a QB sling it and showcase his skills here and run a system where skill players want to be here and not be wasted, we’re just gonna be taking the money and being told to be happy with 6-6.
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Stoops has been here something like 13 years. If he was going to get "better" players it would of already happened. No other SEC program has more patience than UK and outside of Vanderbilt we are the worst program in the league.
It apparently only took Jeff Brohm two years to construct a better roster than Stoops has in year 13. It's time for a fresh start. If you pay top 10 money for a coach then you have to at least be competitive in your conference. If we don't expect that then we just need to surrender and put all of our NIL in basketball.
A little different for me, first time I'm glad to see the season end for the past 5 or 6 years. I think we left quite a bit on the table this year
It comes down to hiring the right coach. The right guy will win big (more money, good recruiting, etc). Winnners attract other winners and achieve critical mass. The few guys out there who can do it drive the market for everyone else. Every coach hired this cycle is someone who the school hopes is that guy, but most aren’t.
For KY, you have to get that guy before he becomes recognized by everyone else. That’s why we all want JS- he possesses a lot of the traits the great ones do!
For KY, you have to get that guy before he becomes recognized by everyone else. That’s why we all want JS- he possesses a lot of the traits the great ones do!
It’s not the size of the dog in a fight it’s the size of the fight in the dog. Talent is not KY’s issue. 100% is Coaching, Culture and lack of either is apparent.
I mean in general. If you want to compete for things that matter we have to spend more and be top 3 to 5 every season n the sec in NIL.
I couldn't care less if Stoops was fired or quit tomorrow. He is way beyond stale and n over his head.
This is my argument for why we should pour as much of that upcoming revenue dump in basketball. At least we can continue to be the best at the 2nd biggest sport.
I know it's a different conference and not everything is the same circumstances...but how can IU win 11 games this season and get a playoff berth but UK can't do that? IU probably has a more pathetic football history than we do and they have at least a shot at a title this season
Nick Saban didn't win because he had some secret scheme that allowed him to out X and O teams, he overwhelmed them with talented players who could play in the scheme he ran, which wasn't much different than everyone else running a 1 gap front.
If TCU can get in playoffs anyone with right coach, right assistants, right system and good players can do it. We have none of that. Mitch thought the fanbase would love 3 to 4 automatic wins and get a game or two each year and we would be happy. Now one 10 win season is revolked, Stoops record is no better than the other guys like Clayborn or Curci, just been here longer. Now the decline, like other coaches here. Just fans waiting for the axe to chop.
They have the same talent this year and have lost 3 games already and appear to be out of play off contention. You think that's the case with Saban there? I never stated Saban had some secret or superior scheme. But he was a disciplinarian who ran a tight ship. He paid attention to details and that is the edge that made them great under his leadership. Georgia has a ton of talent, but would be in trouble with Mark Stoops at the helm. Coaching matters.
