The Most Obvious Stat Showing Effect of New NIL/Transfer Era: The “Also Rans” Are Running Rampant!!

[The-Hack]

The three old-time, P5/P4/Major Conference teams that have never won 10 games (counting bowl wins) in a season: Iowa State, Indiana and Vandy.

Their current combined record: 21-3. Pretty good numbers, as Saban his last two seasons at Bama went 24-4.

It is possible that ALL three will find that magical double-digit win total, in the same season, this year. That is obviously a clear signal of something having changed in college football, and I have a hard time arguing that the change is bad.

 

[RunninRichie]

Lol, Indiana and Vanderbilt are winning. And Stoops is in year 12 and is the worst team in the SEC.


IU was total dogshit just 2-3 years ago. It just takes one coach. Like the one down in NO...

 

[The-Hack]

It is a clear sign that college football is more fluid and unpredictable than ever.

And given our status since 2021, a clear sign that while other traditionally modest programs are thriving, we aren’t.

 

[CRZ4UK]

What it says to me is schools without paying their players a ton are winning now.
The elite teams have fallen off as they pay the millions, and the players are less invested.
Georgia is not Georgia this year. They look lazy and sloppy on defense.
Bama ain’t Bama.
It’s not the lower teams that are playing that much better, the good teams are playing that much worse.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

The three old-time, P5/P4/Major Conference teams that have never won 10 games (counting bowl wins) in a season: Iowa State, Indiana and Vandy.

Their current combined record: 21-3. Pretty good numbers, as Saban his last two seasons at Bama went 24-4.

It is possible that ALL three will find that magical double-digit win total, in the same season, this year. That is obviously a clear signal of something having changed in college football, and I have a hard time arguing that the change is bad.

Before NIL started one of my complaints was that NIL would create the haves vs the have not. Indiana and Vandy are sitting on very good NIL collectives. Vandys QB wouldn't be there without NIL.

Add that to very easy schedules and you have a great season. Let them play our schedule. As for NIL, we will never be competitive in NIL. For those who keep saying we can get a great coach, its unlikely. We may get lucky with an young guy moving up or a guy with emotional connections with UK but thats about it.

 

[The-Hack]

As for NIL, we will never be competitive in NIL.

I’m not so sure of that. Where do we now rank?

 

[Blue-ish]

Before NIL started one of my complaints was that NIL would create the haves vs the have not. Indiana and Vandy are sitting on very good NIL collectives. Vandys QB wouldn't be there without NIL.

Add that to very easy schedules and you have a great season. Let them play our schedule. As for NIL, we will never be competitive in NIL. For those who keep saying we can get a great coach, its unlikely. We may get lucky with an young guy moving up or a guy with emotional connections with UK but thats about it.

I believe Pavia came with the New Mexico State OC.

Pavia helped lead New Mexico State to an upset win over Auburn last season, throwing for 201 yards and three touchdowns in a 31-10 win. The year prior, Pavia led the Aggies to a 49-14 win over Freeze’s Liberty team.

 

[Tskware]

Indiana looks like a lock for 10 wins

Army will win 10 also and has no NIL

That being said, way too early to draw definite conclusions about NIL. It may be true that top teams will have harder time maintaining depth but now NCAA is going to add scholarships so that may not be a problem going forward

 

[runthedangball2]

Iowa state has consistently been good for a while. That guy can coach. There have always been 1 or 2 teams that surprise with good seasons. We were that team in 2018 and 2021. To a lesser extent 2007.

 

[trueblujr2]

I think it has a lot to do with NIL actually spreading the wealth a bit more. Players who want a decent payday don’t want to sit and wait their turn at a big name school anymore. One man’s trash is another man’s treasure. The top players at the schools you mention might not be that at UGA, Bama, Texas, etc. doesn’t mean they’re worse or less than the guys at the big schools. Just that they might be a class or two behind and would be on the bench there. You see the talented depth from big name schools moving on to start at other schools. That may be more of a transfer portal impact than an NIL impact, but I think both play a part.

 

[NoDef]

Before NIL started one of my complaints was that NIL would create the haves vs the have not. Indiana and Vandy are sitting on very good NIL collectives. Vandys QB wouldn't be there without NIL.

Add that to very easy schedules and you have a great season. Let them play our schedule. As for NIL, we will never be competitive in NIL. For those who keep saying we can get a great coach, its unlikely. We may get lucky with an young guy moving up or a guy with emotional connections with UK but thats about it.

We pay Stoops top 10 pay for top 50 results. We can get a coach. Just getting the right one is the tricky part.

 

[3632]

Before NIL started one of my complaints was that NIL would create the haves vs the have not. Indiana and Vandy are sitting on very good NIL collectives. Vandys QB wouldn't be there without NIL.

Add that to very easy schedules and you have a great season. Let them play our schedule. As for NIL, we will never be competitive in NIL. For those who keep saying we can get a great coach, its unlikely. We may get lucky with an young guy moving up or a guy with emotional connections with UK but thats about it.

They didn't get pavia because of NIL. They got him because they hired his coach to run the offensive side of the ball. Arguing against performances of other teams because they don't have our schedule isn't that relevant to measuring the performance of a coach. I mean they aren't playing sec teams but they don't play them with sec players either. Stoops isn't getting top 25 classes if he's coaching at Indiana either.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

The three old-time, P5/P4/Major Conference teams that have never won 10 games (counting bowl wins) in a season: Iowa State, Indiana and Vandy.

Their current combined record: 21-3. Pretty good numbers, as Saban his last two seasons at Bama went 24-4.

It is possible that ALL three will find that magical double-digit win total, in the same season, this year. That is obviously a clear signal of something having changed in college football, and I have a hard time arguing that the change is bad.

Imo its finding that rare combination of selfless kids willing to buy in for the name on the front. We used to have that before we chased recruits by throwing money at them.

Before NIL started one of my complaints was that NIL would create the haves vs the have not. Indiana and Vandy are sitting on very good NIL collectives. Vandys QB wouldn't be there without NIL.

Add that to very easy schedules and you have a great season. Let them play our schedule. As for NIL, we will never be competitive in NIL. For those who keep saying we can get a great coach, its unlikely. We may get lucky with an young guy moving up or a guy with emotional connections with UK but thats about it.

Imo our problem is over relying on nil. Before, stoops built a great culture and had selfless kids who sacrificed for the team. In the nil world we instead started throwing money at kids.

Stoops needs to get back to physical football. OL and rb still have a lunch pail mentality. Use nil on qbs and wrs and a star defensive guy here and there. Otherwise recruit to the blueprint that made you successful.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

We pay Stoops top 10 pay for top 50 results. We can get a coach. Just getting the right one is the tricky part.

You're making the assumption that our program has equal challenges to others. There is a reason UK has been known as a coaching career killer.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

They didn't get pavia because of NIL. They got him because they hired his coach to run the offensive side of the ball. Arguing against performances of other teams because they don't have our schedule isn't that relevant to measuring the performance of a coach. I mean they aren't playing sec teams but they don't play them with sec players either. Stoops isn't getting top 25 classes if he's coaching at Indiana either.

Both id say.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Imo its finding that rare combination of selfless kids willing to buy in for the name on the front. We used to have that before we chased recruits by throwing money at them.



Imo our problem is over relying on nil. Before, stoops built a great culture and had selfless kids who sacrificed for the team. In the nil world we instead started throwing money at kids.

Stoops needs to get back to physical football. OL and rb still have a lunch pail mentality. Use nil on qbs and wrs and a star defensive guy here and there. Otherwise recruit to the blueprint that made you successful.

I agree to a point. These kids are getting money thrown at them from everywhere.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

I agree to a point. These kids are getting money thrown at them from everywhere.

Entirely true but at a point you just have to let guys go. Brown is a great example. Paying him and forced all those touches last year that cost us at least 3 games and probably a 4th. Plus caused major rifts on the staff and got at least one guy fired. Also who knows what level of locker room disruption it caused.

No way one guy is worth all that. Should've let him go.

Dingle - we paid him to come back. Anderson is just as good. Dingle played awful all year. Why? Because hes here for money. Should've let him go.

Then you have other guys like brock, pop, and deonne. Only the latter shows questionable effort but he takes plays off because he wants to stay on the field. Not the right decision but at least his heart is in the right place.

 

[vhcat70]

Lol, Indiana and Vanderbilt are winning. And Stoops is in year 12 and is the worst team in the SEC.


IU was total dogshit just 2-3 years ago. It just takes one coach. Like the one down in NO...

IDK. I think we'd give MSU a real tussle.

 

[3632]

You're making the assumption that our program has equal challenges to others. There is a reason UK has been known as a coaching career killer.

What is that reason? The two I know of are commitment to the sport and poor local football to recruit from. I still believe barnhart isn't at the level we should be at on commitment to really say it's the priority it should be but we do have adequate resources now and across all of college sports in this new era local recruiting bases have the least impact that they've ever had. Kids travel now, transfer, and look for opportunity above location. We can't assess this as a graveyard in the current landscape. In the 12 game schedule era of 19 seasons we went to 14 bowls. Joker missed two then Stoops missed the first three seasons.

We're now in the NIL playoff era. We have to adjust to that and so does everyone else. New structures are coming to manage how NIL gets done from the player settlement and should gradually be less of the wild west type thing but schools will rev share moving forward. Coaches need to be smart personnel managers and organizational thinkers. The old style coach is weeding out.

Yes we still have challenges to climb, just like every other school that isn't in that national championship tier of team in the SEC. But it's not about those same challenges when we fight against other teams in our tier of schools. Just be a well coached team and a well run organization. Much of that is on stoops but barnhart needs to help all coaches with better support staff in this new environment.

 

[bthaunert]

Iowa state has consistently been good for a while. That guy can coach. There have always been 1 or 2 teams that surprise with good seasons. We were that team in 2018 and 2021. To a lesser extent 2007.

I think he’s been a little overrated imo. In his 9th year and 1 good year heading into this season. 7-6, 4-8, 7-6 his past 3 seasons. With that being said, they are having a good year so far.

 

[bthaunert]

This is way more about the transfer portal than it is NIL imo. Guys know they don’t have to sit out a year so they are far less likely to sit or stay on a G5 team.

 

[The-Hack]

This is way more about the transfer portal than it is NIL imo. Guys know they don’t have to sit out a year so they are far less likely to sit or stay on a G5 team.

Well, are they easily separated?

Pavia, a NMS tight end, and Jerry Kill all went to Vandy, I’m betting as a package deal. And I bet they all got good money for making the transfer.

Sure, it has to involve the portal, but that’s just half the story. Levis, Leary and Vandergriff all got pretty posh deals whilst taking advantage of the portal.

 

[Eccain01]

Before NIL started one of my complaints was that NIL would create the haves vs the have not. Indiana and Vandy are sitting on very good NIL collectives. Vandys QB wouldn't be there without NIL.

Add that to very easy schedules and you have a great season. Let them play our schedule. As for NIL, we will never be competitive in NIL. For those who keep saying we can get a great coach, it’s unlikely. We may get lucky with a young guy moving up or a guy with emotional connections with UK but thats about it.

vandy doesn’t have better NIL then us lol that’s just an excuse. Indiana ? You really think they paying more than us?

 

[3632]

vandy doesn’t have better NIL then us lol that’s just an excuse. Indiana ? You really think they paying more than us?

Yeah we took Ray Davis from them last season.

 

[Lost In FL]

Yeah we took Ray Davis from them last season.

Speaking of ... Sweet Baby Ray had a 63 yd td catch today.

 

[bthaunert]

Well, are they easily separated?

Pavia, a NMS tight end, and Jerry Kill all went to Vandy, I’m betting as a package deal. And I bet they all got good money for making the transfer.

Sure, it has to involve the portal, but that’s just half the story. Levis, Leary and Vandergriff all got pretty posh deals whilst taking advantage of the portal.

I think they are separated enough. No one is going to convince me that IU and Vandy should be where they are based on their NIL compared to others in P4. They are where they are because of their transfers panning out, not because of the amount of money they spent on them.

Pavia was the 36th ranked QB in the portal according to 247. The 36th ranked QB isn’t commanding a ton of money compared to his peers. Hell, Pavia wasn’t even the highest rated QB they brought in through the portal.

Indiana had 31 transfers. The 3rd most in college football.

For them, it was about finding the right guys and in both cases (Kill and Cignetti) the right coaches that impact the program more than having a massive NIL to get top players, because they didn’t.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

I believe Pavia came with the New Mexico State OC.

Pavia helped lead New Mexico State to an upset win over Auburn last season, throwing for 201 yards and three touchdowns in a 31-10 win. The year prior, Pavia led the Aggies to a 49-14 win over Freeze’s Liberty team.

This is true, he didn't have alot if options. He followed his OC where he was pretty sure he would start. Not physically talented, small, decent speed but tremendous leadership.

 

[Cotaay]

Vandy had a nice run, but if I were a betting man (and I am) my money would be on them finishing the year 6-6 maybe 7-5. Indiana on the other hand might be looking at the playoffs.

 

[The-Hack]

Vandy had a nice run, but if I were a betting man (and I am) my money would be on them finishing the year 6-6 maybe 7-5. Indiana on the other hand might be looking at the playoffs.

With Tennessee, LSU and South Carolina left, you could be right.

But with a win over Bama and a 3 point loss to Texas, they might well do better, and will not be a intimidated by lofty ranked teams.