Finebaum not too kind...

[CUT-NETS]

Because he is one of the most well known sports radio hosts doesn't mean anything. It's one man's opinion, nothing more.

The poster that I was originally responding to claimed that there is no perception that Cal is known for only having 1 title at UK. I simply pointed out to him that indeed there was that perception because Finebaum just spoke about it with Matt Jones. So its obviously Finebaum's perception.

 

[dlh331]

Cal has had great YOUNG talent. Give him football's rule of 3 years in college and he is Wooden. THAT is the bottom line.

Darryl

 

[CUT-NETS]

Having lived in BHam the past 40 years I suspect I know more about Finebaum than a clown like you. Paul despises UK and always has. He was Ernie Grunfeld's roommate at Tennessee and has written many times of his disdain for Coach Rupp, Hall, and Calipari. He did suck up to Pitino a bit.

Paul delights in bashing anything and everything that is not Alabama/Nick Saban.

Darryl

I know it eats you up that someone of Paul's stature actually agrees with my opinion as it lends it some validity. Cal has had all the talent in the world and only 1 title to show for it. Ive been saying it for a while and now Finebaum has said it. The perception is out there whether you like it or not. It won't change until Cal wins another title at UK. Sorry, I know that stings and you absolutely hate it but its out there.

 

[irishcat1965]

I very seriously doubt in Coach K's first 9 years that he had anywhere near the talent that Cal has had at UK. Amazes me that this is the one thing that posters on here constantly leave out of the equation or just forget all-together. Cal has had INCREDIBLE TALENT!! I don't think Finebaum would mention one word about "only one title" if Cal's recruiting classes were averaging in the bottom of the SEC year in and year out.

You act like the talent is dropped in his lap every year. Who the hell do you think gets the talent here? Recruiting is a big part of coaching- and Cal is the master of it. You can't pick and choose and say well this coach is better because he does more with less talent. What a stupid argument. It's that coach's fault he didn't bring in the talent. Again I will ask you, who is this coach that you think can lead UK better than Cal?

 

[CUT-NETS]

Cal has had great YOUNG talent. Give him football's rule of 3 years in college and he is Wooden. THAT is the bottom line.

Darryl

Cal has had great "young talent" by CHOICE. No one has put a gun to his head and said "you must only play with freshmen players that will be one and done". He chose that philosophy and strategy. He can't, and you can't, use it as an excuse when its what he has chosen to base his program off of. God you are dumb

 

[Jkwo]

Dude you've used the word "extrapolate" in three posts today alone. Time for a new "big word" to make yourself sound smart. You are running that word into the ground.

First, it's weird that you know that. You've gotta start following somebody else around.

Second, I've probably used the word "the" about 4 dozen times today. Those two words are roughly equal in complexity, so why don't you bust my balls about that, instead?

If you consider "extrapolate" to be particularly difficult, as opposed to a vocab word for elementary school children, then the problem surely isn't with me. I wouldn't advertise the fact that you consider it a big word, either - people might start to get the notion that you're just a hair on the slow side, ya know, like... the kind of guy who actually believes that Cal is mediocre at Xs and Os. That would be awfully embarrassing.

 

[CUT-NETS]

You act like the talent is dropped in his lap every year. Who the hell do you think gets the talent here? Recruiting is a big part of coaching- and Cal is the master of it. You can't pick and choose and say well this coach is better because he does more with less talent. What a stupid argument. It's that coach's fault he didn't bring in the talent. Again I will ask you, who is this coach that you think can lead UK better than Cal?

Im not saying in any way, shape, or form that its no fair that Cal has more talent. Im simply saying that he has more talent. Obviously you agree that he has more talent.

 

[Jkwo]

Why are you guys letting him get away with the false assertion that Cal is killing K on talent?

K has had the best talent in the country or damn near it for almost 3 decades running now.

Cut, you're talking about K's years right after army, and that's a red herring, and you know it.

Over the past 6 years, they've averaged the same number of blue chip players per roster. In '99, he didn't win it with five lottery picks including the #1 pick. Ooooh, poor K. How does he even get up in the morning with so little talent?

 

[CUT-NETS]

First, it's weird that you know that. You've gotta start following somebody else around.

Second, I've probably used the word "the" about 4 dozen times today. Those two words are roughly equal in complexity, so why don't you bust my balls about that, instead?

If you consider "extrapolate" to be particularly difficult, as opposed to a vocab word for elementary school children, then the problem surely isn't with me. I wouldn't advertise the fact that you consider it a big word, either - people might start to get the notion that you're just a hair on the slow side, ya know, like... the kind of guy who actually believes that Cal is mediocre at Xs and Os. That would be awfully embarrassing.

Yeah because people use "extrapolate" just as frequently as they use "the".

"extrapolate" and "the" are equal in complexity? Ok man.

Carry on, might as well just keep using the word "extrapolate" since its such an everyday used and common word. If you use "extrapolate" as frequently as you claim then you might be the strangest guy around and Im positive you have zero friends.

 

[irishcat1965]

Im not saying in any way, shape, or form that its no fair that Cal has more talent. Im simply saying that he has more talent. Obviously you agree that he has more talent.

Ok. We agree he has more talent. I'm asking again- who is the coach you think could do a better job of leading UK basketball?

 

[CUT-NETS]

Why are you guys letting him get away with the false assertion that Cal is killing K on talent?

K has had the best talent in the country or damn near it for almost 3 decades running now.

Cut, you're talking about K's years right after army, and that's a red herring, and you know it.

Over the past 6 years, they've averaged the same number of blue chip players per roster. In '99, he didn't win it with five lottery picks including the #1 pick. Ooooh, poor K. How does he even get up in the morning with so little talent?

You said it. In the past 6 years he's averaged the same number of blue chip players per roster. Guess what, he's won one more title. He's got 2 titles with all that talent, Cal only has 1. Thank you for further illustrating my point. Thank you for extrapolating that.

 

[Jkwo]

Yeah because people use "extrapolate" just as frequently as they use "the".

"extrapolate" and "the" are equal in complexity? Ok man.

Carry on, might as well just keep using the word "extrapolate" since its such an everyday used and common word. If you use "extrapolate" as frequently as you claim then you might be the strangest guy around and Im positive you have zero friends.

No, I don't use it just as frequently. That's entirely independent of how difficult the concept is to grasp. There is no perfect synonym in the English language for the word "extrapolate", so if I need to express the sentiment three times, then guess what? I will say the word three times.

And I can't believe that you're using the patented middle-schooler "number of friends" put down on me.

I can't believe it because it's such a silly thing to say, and also because I have the hardest time fathoming that popularity means anything to you, given that you run around this board pasting hilariously false assertions which the vast majority of the posters on here can shoot down before they've woken up enough to take a morning piss.

 

[Jkwo]

You said it. In the past 6 years he's averaged the same number of blue chip players per roster. Guess what, he's won one more title. He's got 2 titles with all that talent, Cal only has 1. Thank you for further illustrating my point. Thank you for extrapolating that.

It would be so helpful if you knew what extrapolate meant in this case, because then you would correctly calculate that K has only won 5 in the nearly 30 years where he's had top-shelf talent.

 

[Dirk2Bowie]

Well you got to get to the final four to win titles, they kind of go hand in hand.

If we're going by this logic then Dean Smith must've been a horrible coach, only 2 titles from 11 FFs. Plus 1 title came from having MJ on the team, so that should be discounted. All that talent and only 2 championships to show for it. Sounds pretty idiotic to say doesn't it?

There is a very short list of coaches with multiple championships. Championships just don't grow on trees.

...and he is cheated really, really, really bad.

 

[pharm727]

Finebaum has always been a Dukie so this doesn't surprise me!

 

[Blueworld_3.0]

Finebaum is impossible to listen to, let alone watch. He certainly has a face for radio.
However, we used to make fun of Dean Smith and Roy Williams (at Kansas) because of the talent they seemingly always had yet, managed to never win the Title. You can't say we haven't had our chances to win 2, maybe 3 Titles under Cal.

 

[UKvisitor]

Can you elaborate? For crying out loud.

anyone interested can listen to the MJ interview @ ~13:30 mark here

MJ comments on several subjects. Finebaum was just stirring the pot with his comments.

 

[Maubris]

Yeah because people use "extrapolate" just as frequently as they use "the".

"extrapolate" and "the" are equal in complexity? Ok man.

Carry on, might as well just keep using the word "extrapolate" since its such an everyday used and common word. If you use "extrapolate" as frequently as you claim then you might be the strangest guy around and Im positive you have zero friends.

I can't tell if you are twelve, or just an obnoxious a**clown.

 

[TNCatfanforever]

I agree. And hope Cal stays for a long time. But when you look back at the teams loaded with talent he's had here it's pretty disappointing.

Lots of missed opportunities. Especially last year and 2010

Totally agree. Should have had no less than 3 titles. One and done looks great in paper but remember the team that won it had some really good upperclassman.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Ask Finebaum if the one and done rules were applied to football AND Saban had to beat 3-4 outstanding teams in a row (like in the NCAAT) instead of 2 how many titles would he have?

Or if Cal got his players for 3 years like Saban does I bet his titles would number 3-4, not 1.

Darryl

Exactly.

I get his point although I don't really agree with it.

One title in six seasons is a great record by any standard. On the other hand, we have been SO close to several others that it is disappointing we don't have even more.

Agreed. Not only the talent, but how close we've been with that talent.

Cal has had great "young talent" by CHOICE. No one has put a gun to his head and said "you must only play with freshmen players that will be one and done". He chose that philosophy and strategy. He can't, and you can't, use it as an excuse when its what he has chosen to base his program off of. God you are dumb

Right now, this is just the way of life in CBB. If you dont use one and dones, youll lose to one and dones. Take your pick.

Bottom line, you cant really compare CFB and CBB. CBB has the one and done, only 5 players can play at once, the 3 point shot, and the 64 team tournament. Any of those would drastically change the championship outcome of CFB.

 

[brianpoe]

With all the trouble that comes with one and dones that you listed, all of their flaws, their shortcomings, etc………….why rely on that system?

You can't base your entire program on that philosophy and then use its flaws as an excuse when it doesn't work out. Thats honestly the dumbest thing Ive ever heard.

That would be like me choosing to drive a Ford in a race and then when I don't win I just talk about how much of a disadvantage I was in because I drove a Ford.

Ok Zipp, I know you are not this dumb and just want to stir up the pot much like Finebaum. but I will play along.

Due to the ever changing world of college basketball, Cal was the first to pick up on the OAD and act.

Much like Pitino and the 3 pointer.

Saying it doesn't workout after the 13 year drought and the success of late is beyond stupid.

You have to be mentally slow to realize the issues of this OAD philosophy, as it is medium risk (2013/this year) but very high reward (every other year).

The fact a team loses one game, be it an upset in the E8 or tough game in the FF or Title game does not make for a terrible season.

Not being able to commend the effort of actually getting the youngest team every year in a position to win it all is very shortsighted.

Laying blame on Cal for those season ending losses is fair game, that said, he doesn't change for those games, he coaches the same way throughout the season, good and bad.

Cal tightens up and slows the ball down during the season as well. He plays a style some do not like.

But he is who he is, and he isn't changing.

To whine about the OAD isn't bright unless you enjoyed 1999 to 2009.

To whine about Cal without providing any evidence that a coach is out there who is better and willing to come is senseless.


We have fans that are very slow mentally and believe that a 38-1 season was terrible because of 5 minutes in the last game.

We also have trolls (like you and others) who live to prey on these simpleminded fans and their weakness of only being able to view an entire season through the last game played.


Yes we should have won it in 2015 in my opinion, we could have in 14 with a defensive change up - maybe, and possibly in 2010 if the kids didnt chuck so many 3's.

It is one thing to be disappointed after getting so close.

It is another thing to constantly whine about it every chance you get, like you and some others do.

For fans to cry about the philosophy that put us in the position to even have the opportunity or to dislike the coach that brought us up out of being a laughingstock to an annual contender doesnt make much sense to me.

 

[brianpoe]

Cal talks about his players not playing up to their Potential or not dominating the way they should ,,well maybe he should walk the walk

Where has coaching hurt us this year?

Not the lack of talent, but actual coaching.

 

[BoulderCat]

I like Cal, and hope Stoops turns it around but I think he has a point. Cal has had a great run at UK but when it comes right down to it if he were to leave right now he's got one championship.

Go ahead and criticize me for saying it. But if you look at all the talent Cal has had here don't you think it's sad that we only have one championship to show for it?

I'd use the word disappointing instead of sad, but yea. Given the talk here after 2012 you'd have thought we were going to win at least one more by now. Last year was great, but that was a crushing loss. Teams like that don't come around anywhere very often. That really was sad.

 

[anon_q409idbs5m40a]

I've never listened to that guy once. He looks like a Green Acres cast member. What a person to have as the face for your upstart network.

I always thought it was Casper P. Biddle from The Beverly Hillbillies who was the bird watching guy.

 

[*CatinIL*]

Did he say "Roll Damn Tide?"

Beat me to it...