ESPN's Louis Riddick on Bud Dupree

[StillBlue83]

Where does ESPN find these fools?



3h3 hours ago
Bud Dupree/Kentucky & Paul Dawson/TCU the '15 poster-boys for testing phenom vs productive football player.
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[Smashcat]

Only time will tell. Fingers crossed Bud stays healthy and looks like the steal of the draft after a couple of years.

 

[hmt5000]

on what planet is buds stats considered un-productive?

 

[C1180]

This post was edited on 2/24 9:33 AM by C1180

 

[Ryan Lemonds Diary]

I watched the combine the other day when Bud was on it and those guys were saying he wasn't consistent. They said he showed dominance at times and disappeared at times. They questioned his motor.

 

[truebluewildcat]

That is literally their jobs as analysts...Riddick is a former front office guy, it's what he does...

the whole purpose of combine and evaluating players on film and up close with your own eyes is to see what he does well and not so well...

they critique guys who eventually become impact players and all pros every year...

 

[optimus-blue]

I love Bud but that is fair and this is blessing in diguise, he will go later in draft with better team , l

 

[CatsFanGG24]

Originally posted by optimus-blue:
I love Bud but that is fair and this is blessing in diguise, he will go later in draft with better team , l

Actually, it isn't fair at all.

Bud WAS a productive football player - saying he wasn't is not fair at all. Calling a 1st team ALL SEC player unproductive is anything but fair.

 

[C1180]

Dupree is a freak jumbo athlete that is going to make the team that picks him in the draft very happy. There is not a lot of players out there in the 6'5", 260-270 pound range with a 4.57 electronic timed 40 and a 40 inch vertical.

 

[fuzz77]

Originally posted by StillBlue83:
Where does ESPN find these fools?



3h3 hours ago
Bud Dupree/Kentucky & Paul Dawson/TCU the '15 poster-boys for testing phenom vs productive football player.
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I actually think you could read that several ways. The way I read it was, Which will Bud be?

Every year there's a player at the combine that blows everyone away with their athleticism and they go shooting up the draft board. Not always do they end up justifying their rise with their play. Great combine numbers don't always equate to great football players.

There is a pretty wide array of opinions about where Bud should be drafted ranging from top 10 to 2nd or 3rd round. Guess we'll find out draft day what the NFL teams really think.

 

[BlueRaider22]

I agree with Fuzz. People are automatically taking it as negative. Almost anything said about Bud is positive. I haven't seen a single projection for him that is past being taken in rd 2......in fact, about 90% of the mock drafts have him going in mid-rd 1.

 

[UKblue18]

I understand the criticism. I don't think he is a top half of the first round guy like some are projecting.

Bud is still raw as a prospect. Right now, he is a pile of clay ready to be molded. The physical traits are evident, he just needs to land in the right spot with the right coaching.

 

[CatsFanGG24]

If you don't believe the tweet in the OP was a knock on Bud, you are not very smart...

Bud Dupree had an excellent combine, the TCU guy had a poor one.

Tweet is saying Bud is poster boy for testing phenom - TCU guy is poster boy for productive football player.

Saying Bud has physical tools, but not much to back those up - the dude was ALL SEC 1st team, top 5 all time SEC sack numbers since 2005, 2nd all time in career sacks at UK - played multiple positions for multiple coordinators where he was one of the only UK defenders that OC's needed to scheme around.

Dupree can improve a ton, no doubt about that. But to act like he is unproven as an All SEC'er and an all time UK great is absurd.
This post was edited on 2/25 10:24 AM by CatsFanGG24

 

[Comebakatz3]

I can tell you one thing, there are a whole lot of fans out there that are begging their team to get Bud Dupree. Falcons fans in particular have spoken up and talked about Dupree and how much they want him and think he is a stud. Maybe the analysts are right, but Dupree sure does seem to be a fan favorite as of right now.

 

[C1180]

I might be wrong but I seem to remember that Dupree has not been playing football for a long period of time and he was bounced around at several positions at UK. I think if he is put at a position and given good coaching he is going to be a stud for a long time in the NFL.

 

[fuzz77]

Originally posted by CatsFanGG24:

If you don't believe the tweet in the OP was a knock on Bud, you are not very smart...

Bud Dupree had an excellent combine, the TCU guy had a poor one.

Tweet is saying Bud is poster boy for testing phenom - TCU guy is poster boy for productive football player.

Saying Bud has physical tools, but not much to back those up - the dude was ALL SEC 1st team, top 5 all time SEC sack numbers since 2005, 2nd all time in career sacks at UK - played multiple positions for multiple coordinators where he was one of the only UK defenders that OC's needed to scheme around.

Dupree can improve a ton, no doubt about that. But to act like he is unproven as an All SEC'er and an all time UK great is absurd.
This post was edited on 2/25 10:24 AM by CatsFanGG24

I think you're being paranoid. Again, it is discussed every year about what is more important...combine numbers or on the field numbers? People talked about how much Teddy Bridgewater's pro day hurt him because he didn't look very good...he ended up having arguably the best seasons of the rookie QBs.

People are talking more about Bud right now because of his combine numbers.

Last season Dawson had 136 tackles, 6 sacks and 4 ints.... Bud had 74 tackles, 7.5 sacks and 1 int. Bud was great in several games...he also disappeared in others.

Again, it is discussed every year about why NFL teams put such an emphasis on workouts when they have game after game of film on all of these guys.

The tweet says what it says. Nowhere does it say that Bud didn't have game, you are implying that it does.
People really need to stop trying to read the minds of people whom they don't know.

 

[CatsFanGG24]

Originally posted by fuzz77:

Originally posted by CatsFanGG24:

If you don't believe the tweet in the OP was a knock on Bud, you are not very smart...

Bud Dupree had an excellent combine, the TCU guy had a poor one.

Tweet is saying Bud is poster boy for testing phenom - TCU guy is poster boy for productive football player.

Saying Bud has physical tools, but not much to back those up - the dude was ALL SEC 1st team, top 5 all time SEC sack numbers since 2005, 2nd all time in career sacks at UK - played multiple positions for multiple coordinators where he was one of the only UK defenders that OC's needed to scheme around.

Dupree can improve a ton, no doubt about that. But to act like he is unproven as an All SEC'er and an all time UK great is absurd.

This post was edited on 2/25 10:24 AM by CatsFanGG24

I think you're being paranoid. Again, it is discussed every year about what is more important...combine numbers or on the field numbers? People talked about how much Teddy Bridgewater's pro day hurt him because he didn't look very good...he ended up having arguably the best seasons of the rookie QBs.

People are talking more about Bud right now because of his combine numbers.

Last season Dawson had 136 tackles, 6 sacks and 4 ints.... Bud had 74 tackles, 7.5 sacks and 1 int. Bud was great in several games...he also disappeared in others.

Again, it is discussed every year about why NFL teams put such an emphasis on workouts when they have game after game of film on all of these guys.

The tweet says what it says. Nowhere does it say that Bud didn't have game, you are implying that it does.
People really need to stop trying to read the minds of people whom they don't know.

I'm not being paranoid at all.

The tweet mentions two players - compares them...one as a testing phenom, the other, a productive football player.

It's simple. And if you look game by game stats wise, Dupree was very consistent.

I don't care if they give Dupree a 5th round grade as a NFL prospect...I do care if your reasoning is that he wasn't a very productive college player.

 

[BlueRaider22]

Originally posted by CatsFanGG24:

Originally posted by fuzz77:

I'm not being paranoid at all.

The tweet mentions two players - compares them...one as a testing phenom, the other, a productive football player.

It's simple. And if you look game by game stats wise, Dupree was very consistent.

I don't care if they give Dupree a 5th round grade as a NFL prospect...I do care if your reasoning is that he wasn't a very productive college player.

It does mention 2 players. Both were very productive in college. One had a great combine, one didn't. That's all the tweet said. You are emotional about this b/c Bud is our guy. I am very up-to-date on the NFL combine, draft, free agency.....it's pretty much all I do this time of year.....(well that and college recruiting) Bud is being listed as a 1st rd draft choice on 90% of mocks........and the other 10% have him listed as a 1st or 2nd rd draft choice.

This is what happens before the draft. Guys get analyzed to death. You will hear every single pro or con on every single guy out there.......every one. But, b/c we are emotionally attached to our boyz, it seems like the analysts are talking about them more than the others.

 

[CatsFanGG24]

Originally posted by BlueRaider22:

Originally posted by CatsFanGG24:

Originally posted by fuzz77:

I'm not being paranoid at all.

The tweet mentions two players - compares them...one as a testing phenom, the other, a productive football player.

It's simple. And if you look game by game stats wise, Dupree was very consistent.

I don't care if they give Dupree a 5th round grade as a NFL prospect...I do care if your reasoning is that he wasn't a very productive college player.

It does mention 2 players. Both were very productive in college. One had a great combine, one didn't. That's all the tweet said. You are emotional about this b/c Bud is our guy. I am very up-to-date on the NFL combine, draft, free agency.....it's pretty much all I do this time of year.....(well that and college recruiting) Bud is being listed as a 1st rd draft choice on 90% of mocks........and the other 10% have him listed as a 1st or 2nd rd draft choice.

This is what happens before the draft. Guys get analyzed to death. You will hear every single pro or con on every single guy out there.......every one. But, b/c we are emotionally attached to our boyz, it seems like the analysts are talking about them more than the others.

The tweet implies Dupree is a combine freak, but not a productive player on the field.

I am not emotional about this. I don't think anyone is out to get us or Dupree.

I am speaking only of the tweet that this thread is about. The tweet is quite frankly an uneducated stance by a professional.

 

[BlueRaider22]

The tweet is quite frankly an uneducated stance by a professional.

Or, it's a confusing statement made by a professional that is misunderstood by a reader.

Basically, since we don't know for sure.......is your first stance to prosecute?

 

[CatsFanGG24]

99% of the people who replied to this tweet asked Riddick why he believed Dupree wasn't productive - and no, they all weren't UK fans.

In his tweet:

Bud Dupree/Kentucky = Testing phenom

Paul Dawson/TCU = Productive football player

That is what he believes. I am not spinning anything - it's just a poor misrepresentation of Duprees career at UK.

Like I said, I don't care if this guy were to give Dupree a 5th rd grade...I would care that his reasoning is that he wasn't a productive college player.

My last post on the subject.

 

[AJ Blue]

If I'm a team that accepts this premise and is trying to decide whether the freak athlete with some inconsistency can reach his potential huge upside, the tie breaker is to look at his character traits and in Bud's case that's a no brainer.

The guy with the character of Bud will learn and be coached to reach his upside that goes along with his unbelievable athletic ability. Different that betting on whether a questionable character guy will ever live up. A smart GM pulls the trigger early on Bud.

 

[BlueRaider22]

Originally posted by AJ Blue:



A smart GM pulls the trigger early on Bud.

And they will. Almost everyone in the sports media world is projecting him to go in the 1st rd. He's an athletic freak, who is a bit raw, a good character kid, and still put up good numbers on a bad team that didn't help him out much against the best college players in the country.
This post was edited on 2/25 3:51 PM by BlueRaider22

 

[UKwannabe]

I don't think it's fair that Dupree had to test as a Linebacker.

Dupree played Defensive End the past 2 seasons and his stats are equally as impressive as any other defensive end in the nation.

Sure, he could stand up and play some OLB and he could do that frequently when needed. BUT, Dupree is, and should be a defensive end.

 

[jauk11]

What bothers me is after these numbers at SIX FOOT FOUR OR FIVE and TWO HUNDRED AND SIXTY NINE POUNDS he put up the best broad jump in years, one inch off the record------and that was mainly forgotten because a 195# DB broke the record at the combine. He gets little credit for running about the same forty as another LB about 25# lighter that they are raving about He came within two inches of the same 195# DB's record broad jump. And he did it without losing a lot of weight to improve his numbers like the other cheater.

How high would the 195# DB have jumped with a 74# weight strapped on his back, or how far would he have broad jumped?

Was the DBs performance Impressive, yes, probably drafted high, that much more impressive than Bud's performance to have his performance mostly obscured, hardly mentioned by a lot of the talking heads, I don't think so, size does matter in football------also.

 

[BlueRaider22]

Originally posted by UKwannabe:
I don't think it's fair that Dupree had to test as a Linebacker.

Dupree played Defensive End the past 2 seasons and his stats are equally as impressive as any other defensive end in the nation.

Sure, he could stand up and play some OLB and he could do that frequently when needed. BUT, Dupree is, and should be a defensive end.

Doesn't matter. They all do many of the same drills. Plus UK will have their own "Pro Day" where Bud will be able to show more if he needs to. Bottom line is that if a NFL team thinks he can play DE then he will. I think he gets picked up as a OLB/DE jack back

 

[optimus-blue]

Fuzz 77 needs to pay up on his bet .

 

[fuzz77]

Originally posted by CatsFanGG24:

Originally posted by BlueRaider22:

Originally posted by CatsFanGG24:

Originally posted by fuzz77:

I'm not being paranoid at all.

The tweet mentions two players - compares them...one as a testing phenom, the other, a productive football player.

It's simple. And if you look game by game stats wise, Dupree was very consistent.

I don't care if they give Dupree a 5th round grade as a NFL prospect...I do care if your reasoning is that he wasn't a very productive college player.

It does mention 2 players. Both were very productive in college. One had a great combine, one didn't. That's all the tweet said. You are emotional about this b/c Bud is our guy. I am very up-to-date on the NFL combine, draft, free agency.....it's pretty much all I do this time of year.....(well that and college recruiting) Bud is being listed as a 1st rd draft choice on 90% of mocks........and the other 10% have him listed as a 1st or 2nd rd draft choice.

This is what happens before the draft. Guys get analyzed to death. You will hear every single pro or con on every single guy out there.......every one. But, b/c we are emotionally attached to our boyz, it seems like the analysts are talking about them more than the others.

The tweet implies Dupree is a combine freak, but not a productive player on the field.

I am not emotional about this. I don't think anyone is out to get us or Dupree.

I am speaking only of the tweet that this thread is about. The tweet is quite frankly an uneducated stance by a professional.

Tweets don't imply, people do. You are attempting to read between the lines and find meaning that isn't written. Perhaps you are 100% correct, perhaps you are 100% wrong. One of the problems with Twitter in particular and the written word in general is that it often leaves much for the imagination and interpretation. It doesn't always allow for full context therefore the meaning taken away from from the readers will vary from reader to reader.

I am almost 100% sure that you have said things to someone in the past and will again in the future that people took the wrong way. I'm sure people have told you and even argued with you that you meant something very different than your actual meaning.

Unless you know a history with the person making the Tweet that they have actually said or written something to the effect that BD wasn't a productive player, then you're really only guessing...hopefully you can admit that much.

 

[Gary4UK]

I like Bud, but I can see times in a game where one could accuse him of disappearing... The reason that you thought he disappeared is because of the way that he's used.... To drop back in pass protection, hand on the ground, standing up, moving around, etc....... If he just played with his hand on the ground he could have better numbers....

If he were on a more talented team, he would have better numbers, so I wish him the very best....... These coaches know football and have coached good D-linemen.... Stoops said that Bud was as good as any that he's coached, so I trust Stoops opinion on his talent.....

We've had some good tight ends, and receivers, that haven't disappointed anyone in the NFL.... I just hope that Bud does the same.... I will take that chance and wish that the Bengals get Bud in the first round.....

 

[C1180]

I am pulling for him to go to the Colts. They certainly need a pass rusher.

 

[BlueRaider22]

Originally posted by C1180:
I am pulling for him to go to the Colts. They certainly need a pass rusher.

Please no. As a Titan fan and being from Tennessee, we've already had to endure our college golden boy Peyton go to our division rivals.......kill us for a decade.......become a HOF........then the Colts let him go just to pick up "the greatest QB prospect to come out of college since Elway"........please no.

 

[zcats]

Originally posted by UKwannabe:
I don't think it's fair that Dupree had to test as a Linebacker.

Dupree played Defensive End the past 2 seasons and his stats are equally as impressive as any other defensive end in the nation.

Sure, he could stand up and play some OLB and he could do that frequently when needed. BUT, Dupree is, and should be a defensive end.

This, Dawson is a 6'2" 230 lb outside linebacker who was recruited as a WR while Bud is almost 6' 5" and 270 lbs and will be predominately a hybrid DE. They are not the same type of football player and will be used differently. Bud suffered from the SEC teams doubling him on almost every play due to our inconsistent LB play. I also see where he was a non-factor in some games but I honestly don't know if that was due to effort or scheme.

 

[TheThack]

I have no real dog in this fight but to say tweets do not imply, people do I believe is incorrect. Tweets are typically written by people I would assume (bots aside). When people talk, speak, write, type, or otherwise communicate they can and often do imply. The medium they use to imply does not change the fact an implication is made. People who hear, read, or see the comment then infer meaning based on the communication/implication.

I believe without question, whether knowing the tweeter or not, that based on reading comprehension and the English language there was a clear implication by the person tweeting that compared these two players as one being a freak in this combo setting and the other having a productive player. The use of the Vs specifically is description of pitting one against the other.

One could argue that the tweeter chose the wrong words to convey his meaning but as written I see no logical argument that this was not an implication that one player is good at these type of events while the other was good on the actual field of play.

 

[laxcat#5]

While Dupree had a great career here...Dennis Johnson and Jeremy Jarmon were much more productive DEs.

 

[CatsFanGG24]

^ Dupree had more sacks than both of them as a DE/LB hybrid...they each had a RS year, but only played 3 years...so to be fair, subtract Duprees freshman sack #'s, and he still had more.

Those guys were studs - hard to compare since they were all in different schemes and positions...does seem as though Dupree's career statistics and accomplishments have been undervalued though.

 

[Bob Loblaw's Law Blog]

Originally posted by laxcat#5:
While Dupree had a great career here...Dennis Johnson and Jeremy Jarmon were much more productive DEs.

Nope.

 

[BengalWACO]

Originally posted by optimus-blue:
I love Bud but that is fair and this is blessing in diguise, he will go later in draft with better team , l

CMon Bengals!!!

 

[jayrizzo89]

Originally posted by laxcat#5:
While Dupree had a great career here...Dennis Johnson and Jeremy Jarmon were much more productive DEs.

How many times did Dennis Johnson or Jarmon drop into coverage?

 

[3632]

Originally posted by laxcat#5:
While Dupree had a great career here...Dennis Johnson and Jeremy Jarmon were much more productive DEs.

Jarmon I will give you. Johnson is more arguable to me...he may have put up sack numbers but he went outside rush so much that he missed out on tons of running plays because he was pass rushing even on running plays.

 

[RV2]

Originally posted by UKwannabe:
I don't think it's fair that Dupree had to test as a Linebacker.

Dupree played Defensive End the past 2 seasons and his stats are equally as impressive as any other defensive end in the nation.

Sure, he could stand up and play some OLB and he could do that frequently when needed. BUT, Dupree is, and should be a defensive end.

Not really. This past year especially, Bud was our Sam LB in our base sets that moved to a hand down rush DE in our nickel and dime packages.