ESPN's final 2017 recruiting rankings - be prepared
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Rankings get you bragging rights if it matters at all. Still have to put on the shoes and go play the game for any of it to matter.
Give me 1-5 or 95-100. I still want to see the product on the floor.
Yet. I think we Bamba. I like this class even if we do not Bamba. The addition of Smith, Knox or Johnson it is a great class.
Biancardi just doesn't like Vanderbilt as much as everyone else does. That's the only issue I see here. He did bump him based on All-Star play, but not as much as he should have. And no one seems willing to put Vanderbilt in the top 10 due to his shooting. Which is fair enough, I guess, but I tend to think they're going to look silly next year for having guys like Trent, Knox, Troy Brown, Lonnie Walker, and Billy Preston (and, honestly, PJ Washington) rated ahead of Vanderbilt. Vanderbilt just seems like a much better basketball player than any of those guys, better at literally everything except shooting.
Pretty sure this is a duke troll that showed up last summer after Bolden signed with duke went by Zachdeer1 then later zachdeer2 Said Bolden was going to better than Bam cause Bam had weak legs and wouldn't be able to play inside. Said all kinds of crazy crap. My favorite was how the 2011 duke team would have not just beat John Wall and Cousins but smoked them. Said the 15 duke Team would have handled Towns and company too.
See this is why I don't understand why a guy like Ben Simmons who was a point forward at 6ft10 is the next greatest thing but Vanderbilt at 6ft9 isnt. I think Simmons was a little more athletic but Vanderbilt has a tighter handle and believe it or not maybe a better passer I know he is a better defender. Not only is he 6ft9 he is a long 6ft9 wingspan is like 7ft1
I agree. I think that guys like Biancardi are trying not to overreact to the All-Star games, which is understandable. But the problem is they had Vanderbilt too low to begin with, mainly because of last year's EYBL, where Vanderbilt struggled mightily shooting the ball. I think they're overvaluing that, because that was Vanderbilt's 3rd year playing in the EYBL, and his team was much weaker than the prior year (when he played with De'Aaron Fox). I question how motivated Vanderbilt was in those games.
Based on what he showed in the All-Star games, the only forward I definitely take ahead of Vanderbilt is Porter. The skill level for Vanderbilt, other than shooting, is just way higher than anyone other than Porter, and it comes in a long 6'8"-6'9" package with good hops, excellent quickness, and a great motor.
I probably take Porter too, buts it's close if Porter plays defense like he did at the hoop summit on college I would probably rather have Vanderbilt. At this point only guys I take over Vanderbilt are Porter and Bamba because of the length he has the ability to single handedly control a game. He changes how are guards play defense and everything. I have seen so many of our own posters still overlook Vanderbilt things like we need 2 elite players and Bamba if we get him may be the only one. Watch the hoop summit when it matterd more USA was plus 15 with Vanderbilt on the floor.
its because it's random opinion. There is no science behind it. I asked the question to Bossi too, but it was just discussion between people and rank based off random opinion.
Also, Vanderbilt hasn't played much recently due to injury, so that's another problem. However, when you break down his game...its hard for me to believe he is 18th. If that's the case, this is one freakishly good class.
Yeah, I didn't really like Porter's approach in any of the All-Star games, particularly the Hoop Summit. Passing is not a bad thing, defense counts, and turnaround and step-back jump shots might look pretty, but they are rarely good plays. Still, Porter is a monster talent, with the ability to be a mini-Durant. I would have to take him over Vanderbilt.
OTOH, when UK got the commit from Vanderbilt, I was initially a little disappointed, because I thought it was a sign that Kevin Knox wasn't coming. Now I think it was just taking a better player.
Simmons is much better at all of the things Vanderbilt does. Are you serious? Vanderbilt a better passer?
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. Simmons was projected as the #1 pick by NBA GM's/scouts before ever playing a college game, Vanderbilt is barely a top 10 pick.
Well running ur mouth haven't seen Vanderbilt can tell already. Vanderbilt shoots better and handles the ball better I said maybe pass and I know he plays better defense. He has not been a hundred if he had of been last summer u don't have a clue if they would be saying the same. I wasn't even saying he was better. Simmons better inside player better rebounder and more athletic and bigger. But what Vanderbilt does is Def close to a top 5 ranking and that would be about right for the 10th pick in the draftSimmons is much better at all of the things Vanderbilt does. Are you serious? Vanderbilt a better passer?
LOL, I've seen as much of Vanderbilt as any of you have. Simmons has a better handle and is probably one of the best passers in the world regardless of position. Vanderbilt doesn't have the passing ability of Simmons. Simmons was a much better prospect at the same stage and that's not even debateable.
Just because Vanderbilt has some point forward ability, doesn't mean they are anywhere close in terms of prospect status.
And as far as heart and being a good teammate i'll take Vanderbilt. Nothing really to base Vanderbilt being a good teammate off of but he has to be better than Simmons in that regard. he was very condescending towards teammates at LSU. And, as read in reports, he has treated his family like crap since he got to Philly
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Just cause you claimed to have seen Vanderbilt doesnt mean you have. Simmons does have the same speed with the ball Vanderbilt does as for passing we will just have to see. Simmons basically had a marketing team his whole family was involved. His recruiting class was weak as well alot of the early entry guys got pushed down to lower spots in the draft because of foriegn playerd being better. Simmons was better but it had to do with his NBA ready body and height to go with double digit rebounds. Not really the same position either. Simmons was more of a point pf and Vanderbilt a point small forward. The whole point wasn't that Vanderbilt was better but that Vanderbilt should have been higher in the rankings when he brought similar strengths as Simmons. The whole reason Vanderbilt is rated highly by the NBA is that he is a point forward. If he demonstrates in college his shot is better like many are saying then he will proba move up in the draft too.
I thought the consensus was that Rivals is better for football and Scout better for basketball (and that ESPN was bad for basketball until Biancardi go to the gig)? Don't know that I don't was ever aware of a consensus view on 247....
ESPN rated Wall #5
Haven't paid a lick of attention since that happened.
Haven't paid a lick of attention since that happened.
Well, that's true, but at that level of generality it's not telling you much. Babe Ruth and Billy Hamilton each strike out from time to time....
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Maybe, I always thought Rivals seemed a little more on point than Scout, but that's mostly me looking at the last few years. Scout his Porter Jr fifth overall fo example. 247 Composite is the only way to go for me, regardless.
And didnt rate Bledsoe in the Top 100...
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/class/2009/order/true
ESPN makes an ass of themselves simply to put out different ratings than other sites, like 24/7 and Rivlas / scout. They're not interested in getting it right.
Shocked people even pay attention.
Shocked people even pay attention.
To highlight your point during the JBC Biancardi was talking about Sexton rising in the rankings and he said to Miles Simon who was team USA coach at the hoop Summit. "Wasn't he forced to play point guard for you with Quade Green out and Duval on the bench with an ankle injury?" Simon goes um well he is a PG. You would think the ESPN director of recruiting would know that. Then went on about how without Bamba had no rim protection and Simon had to correct him on that by saying well Richards is a pretty good shot blocker. Said that Richards hands were a weakness as Duval throws him an oop that was a little high and Richards corals it with one hand for one of the best plays of the game. Simon goes his hands look pretty good to me. Lol
They never played, so no one will know. And it really doesn't matter. Enough teams beat all 4 squads so anything would be possible.
It is all based on opinions of whomever is making the list. Some like ketchup others catsup.
Subjective reasoning can never be proven or disproved.
Ok. Spend more time looking at ESPN ratings year to year. They intentionally mix and match depending on other sites. EVERYONE knew John Wall was not the 5th rated player in the class. Everyone. They did it anyway. Why? It wasn't because they actually believed that. No one did.
ESPN tries to be different. That's all. If you actually take their college basketball rankings seriously, then you're going to be off a lot.
Every body knows neither duke team matched up well vs UK. The 2011 duke team had no one to match up with Wall and Cousins and unlike WVa was not a zone team. And2015 one team beat UK and we were loaded inside and Okafor played no defense. Either way Louisville Troll nobody was blowing out UK either of those seasons
I put very little stock into any ratings system. Any rank can be justified, shot full holes, or ignored.
Coaches need to see the players play, make a determination if that player will benefit the team. If they can, recruit them like crazy. If they cannot, pass and go to the next guy.
Oh my god! You are such pathetic troll that you are on our boards in the off season! Wow, it is late April, about as far from next season as you can be, and you are on our boards. We all know you are a Louisville fan. Shouldn't you be trolling the football boards with Ruppsrevenge?
I'd agree Trent is overrated a bit here, I'd probably swap Trent for Lonnie Walker and I'd take Walker over Trent in a heartbeat. I'd also swap Sexton for Duval, but I think both still are Top 10 guys.
The most overrated player in the top 30 or so is UNCs Jalek Felton at 26. That Green is only rated three spots ahead of him, and he's ranked ahead of Tremont Waters is laughable. Felton was in Jordan Brand Game and was probably the worst player on the floor. I wouldn't swap Shai G-A for Felton and Shai is 33rd.
Overall, I think a pretty damned deep class. Going to be a lot of players in that Top 40 play professionally some day.
The most overrated player in the top 30 or so is UNCs Jalek Felton at 26. That Green is only rated three spots ahead of him, and he's ranked ahead of Tremont Waters is laughable. Felton was in Jordan Brand Game and was probably the worst player on the floor. I wouldn't swap Shai G-A for Felton and Shai is 33rd.
Overall, I think a pretty damned deep class. Going to be a lot of players in that Top 40 play professionally some day.
first off, schmuck, they should be ranking players based on long-term pro potential
secondly, okafor was a disgraceful non-defending slug in college, and duke was better with him on the bench. he was hyped up by clueless mountebanks like vitale and bilas who were infatuated with his spin moves and use of the glass
Let me twist this a bit: Of the UK guys, how would you rank our guys?
Diallo
Washington
Richards
Vanderbilt
Green
Alexander
Baker
Would you put Diallo on the top of this list? If Vanderbilt is 4th, we've got a lot to be thankful for heading into next year. Any adds at this point will just add more separation from our top ranking. We've got a long way to go before seeing what we really have in this class.
Diallo
Washington
Richards
Vanderbilt
Green
Alexander
Baker
Would you put Diallo on the top of this list? If Vanderbilt is 4th, we've got a lot to be thankful for heading into next year. Any adds at this point will just add more separation from our top ranking. We've got a long way to go before seeing what we really have in this class.
