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Cats Gone Wild

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Kentucky with five marquee games — four of those to be played outside Rupp Arena.

1. Kentucky Wildcats

John Calipari’s team plays Kansas in Allen Fieldhouse, UCLA in Pauley Pavilion, Duke in Chicago, Louisville (at Rupp Arena) and Ohio State in Brooklyn. The home slate isn’t overwhelming, but there shouldn’t be many teams in the 300 range of the RPI, either.

And at the top of ESPN’s Most Disappointing list, the Louisville Cardinals…

1. Louisville Cardinals

Rick Pitino didn’t know what type of team he’d have this season after preparing to watch Montrzel Harrell and Terry Rozier join Wayne Blackshear in leaving. However, this nonconference schedule is a joke. There are two quality games out of 13. The Cards have their annual game against Kentucky (at Rupp) and were matched up against Michigan State in East Lansing in the Big Ten/ACC Challenge. There are home games against Grand Canyon, Western Kentucky, North Florida, Hartford, Samford, St. Francis, Eastern Michigan, Kennesaw State, UMKC and Utah Valley — and a neutral-site game in New York against Saint Louis.
 
How about other teams?

UK does have insane schedule. Should be fun to watch!
 
Attention mid majors, if you want to eat at the big boy table don't follow Louisvilles blueprint.
 
Louisville fans would tell you that they always have the top non conference schedule, but we all know better.
 
You asked for other teams' OOC schedule ranks on that list...


Assuming KU will soon face, in Maui, any teams except UNLV and/or Wake F. (who each won less than 20 games last season), all told, KU will, this reg. season, play a total of 8 OOC games + 10 conf games vs teams who won 20+ games, last season. = 18 upcoming games vs. teams who, last season, won 20+ games**.

For KU, 10 of those 18 will be either 'neutral-court' or 'away' games.

and



UK's numbers are 9 OOC plus 8 reg.-season conf games vs. teams who, last season, won 20+ games. = 17 upcoming games vs. teams who, last season, won 20+ games**.

For UK, nine of those 17 will be either 'neutral-court' or 'away' games.

The often-cited "20 wins/season" coaching goal is based upon a rather arbitrary number and, of course, definitely, not all 20-plus-wins teams are equal, AND, of course, **every team last season is different than it will be this season, so this data is kinda...sketchy -- at best.

Also, KU's OOC schedule began a few months-ago (in reality, but not technically), in South Korea, where they went 8-0 (11-0 including the three 'neutral court' exhibitions [two over Canada and one over China])(without four of their best players [Diallo, Svi, Greene, Graham]) vs teams like Germany, Russia, Lithuania, Serbia, Turkey, Brazil (the most athletic team), and others. The four or five best teams over there were absolutely talented and deep (pro players), especially the top-two, so KU was fortunate to have gone undefeated. (The other teams over there, however, were only mediocre [with one or two cupcakes].)

So I'm sure UK and KU have two of the top OOC schedules (since a few months-ago [April]).

A lot of times, these types of ranked lists are hypothesized with no statistical foundation. More often than not, rankings are based on bad memories from prior seasons. Plus, no ranking system can ever account for the unpredictableness in how all teams play better (or worse) on some nights than others, for no apparent reason.

These rankings are a GREAT-BIG GUESS.
 
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UK has a great and entertaining non conference schedule. I'm looking forward to it.

Louisville has to have record padding games because the ACC will beat up on them. They will be on the bubble.
 
You asked for other teams' OOC schedule ranks on that list...


Assuming KU will soon face, in Maui, any teams except UNLV and/or Wake F. (who each won less than 20 games last season), all told, KU will, this reg. season, play a total of 8 OOC games + 10 conf games vs teams who won 20+ games, last season. = 18 upcoming games vs. teams who, last season, won 20+ games**.

For KU, 10 of those 18 will be either 'neutral-court' or 'away' games.

and



UK's numbers are 9 OOC plus 8 reg.-season conf games vs. teams who, last season, won 20+ games. = 17 upcoming games vs. teams who, last season, won 20+ games**.

For UK, nine of those 17 will be either 'neutral-court' or 'away' games.

The often-cited "20 wins/season" coaching goal is based upon a rather arbitrary number and, of course, definitely, not all 20-plus-wins teams are equal, AND, of course, **every team last season is different than it will be this season, so this data is kinda...sketchy -- at best.

Also, KU's OOC schedule began a few months-ago (in reality, but not technically), in South Korea, where they went 8-0 (11-0 including the three 'neutral court' exhibitions [two over Canada and one over China])(without four of their best players [Diallo, Svi, Greene, Graham]) vs teams like Germany, Russia, Lithuania, Serbia, Turkey, Brazil (the most athletic team), and others. The four or five best teams over there were absolutely talented and deep (pro players), especially the top-two, so KU was fortunate to have gone undefeated. (The other teams over there, however, were only mediocre [with a one or two cupcakes].)

So I'm sure UK and KU have the top-two OOC schedules (since a few months-ago [April]).

I don't know who's OOC schedule would be third most difficult.

***I'd read the article. KU's was only 8th most difficult.
 
You asked for other teams' OOC schedule ranks on that list...


Assuming KU will soon face, in Maui, any teams except UNLV and/or Wake F. (who each won less than 20 games last season), all told, KU will, this reg. season, play a total of 8 OOC games + 10 conf games vs teams who won 20+ games, last season. = 18 upcoming games vs. teams who, last season, won 20+ games**.

For KU, 10 of those 18 will be either 'neutral-court' or 'away' games.

and



UK's numbers are 9 OOC plus 8 reg.-season conf games vs. teams who, last season, won 20+ games. = 17 upcoming games vs. teams who, last season, won 20+ games**.

For UK, nine of those 17 will be either 'neutral-court' or 'away' games.

The often-cited "20 wins/season" coaching goal is based upon a rather arbitrary number and, of course, definitely, not all 20-plus-wins teams are equal, AND, of course, **every team last season is different than it will be this season, so this data is kinda...sketchy -- at best.

Also, KU's OOC schedule began a few months-ago (in reality, but not technically), in South Korea, where they went 8-0 (11-0 including the three 'neutral court' exhibitions [two over Canada and one over China])(without four of their best players [Diallo, Svi, Greene, Graham]) vs teams like Germany, Russia, Lithuania, Serbia, Turkey, Brazil (the most athletic team), and others. The four or five best teams over there were absolutely talented and deep (pro players), especially the top-two, so KU was fortunate to have gone undefeated. (The other teams over there, however, were only mediocre [with a one or two cupcakes].)

So I'm sure UK and KU have the top-two OOC schedules (since a few months-ago [April]).

I don't know who's OOC schedule would be third most difficult.
Shut up, Stupid.
 
We could play every non-conference game against ranked teams and by year's end KU will still have the #1 SOS due to the annual massive overrating of the B-12.
 
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Kentucky with five marquee games — four of those to be played outside Rupp Arena.

1. Kentucky Wildcats

John Calipari’s team plays Kansas in Allen Fieldhouse, UCLA in Pauley Pavilion, Duke in Chicago, Louisville (at Rupp Arena) and Ohio State in Brooklyn. The home slate isn’t overwhelming, but there shouldn’t be many teams in the 300 range of the RPI, either.

And at the top of ESPN’s Most Disappointing list, the Louisville Cardinals…

1. Louisville Cardinals

Rick Pitino didn’t know what type of team he’d have this season after preparing to watch Montrzel Harrell and Terry Rozier join Wayne Blackshear in leaving. However, this nonconference schedule is a joke. There are two quality games out of 13. The Cards have their annual game against Kentucky (at Rupp) and were matched up against Michigan State in East Lansing in the Big Ten/ACC Challenge. There are home games against Grand Canyon, Western Kentucky, North Florida, Hartford, Samford, St. Francis, Eastern Michigan, Kennesaw State, UMKC and Utah Valley — and a neutral-site game in New York against Saint Louis.


Guess I haven't looked at the schedule, but do we not play UNC this year?
 
The home schedule in front of the blue-hairs is the only thing to complain about. But this is certainly not a Jim Boeheim-type schedule overall.
 
The home schedule in front of the blue-hairs is the only thing to complain about. But this is certainly not a Jim Boeheim-type schedule overall.

I was wondering how long it would take someone to locate a thread that they could bring up "blue-hairs". I guess perception is greater than reality, especially for someone who doesn't attend the games.
 
Guess I haven't looked at the schedule, but do we not play UNC this year?
It's due to the CBS Sports Classic Tournament. We'll play them next year in Las Vegas and then (I've read somewhere), we'll resume the home and home the year after.
 
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Louisville looks really bad right now just because they scheduled a bunch of low quality opponents but for their sake the cards better win all of those games. Can you imagine how bad it would be if they dropped a game to one of those cupcakes? If they do they better not flop in conference play.
 
Kentucky with five marquee games — four of those to be played outside Rupp Arena.

1. Kentucky Wildcats

John Calipari’s team plays Kansas in Allen Fieldhouse, UCLA in Pauley Pavilion, Duke in Chicago, Louisville (at Rupp Arena) and Ohio State in Brooklyn. The home slate isn’t overwhelming, but there shouldn’t be many teams in the 300 range of the RPI, either.

And at the top of ESPN’s Most Disappointing list, the Louisville Cardinals…

1. Louisville Cardinals

Rick Pitino didn’t know what type of team he’d have this season after preparing to watch Montrzel Harrell and Terry Rozier join Wayne Blackshear in leaving. However, this nonconference schedule is a joke. There are two quality games out of 13. The Cards have their annual game against Kentucky (at Rupp) and were matched up against Michigan State in East Lansing in the Big Ten/ACC Challenge. There are home games against Grand Canyon, Western Kentucky, North Florida, Hartford, Samford, St. Francis, Eastern Michigan, Kennesaw State, UMKC and Utah Valley — and a neutral-site game in New York against Saint Louis.

Overall, based on numbers, it would appear to be a weak OOC schedule, but playing Kentucky and Michigan State should get them a bump out of the #1 weakest consideration. Louisville's conference schedule is going to be way more difficult than Kentucky's. Although, the SEC should be a bit more difficult than last year.
 
Louisville looks really bad right now just because they scheduled a bunch of low quality opponents but for their sake the cards better win all of those games. Can you imagine how bad it would be if they dropped a game to one of those cupcakes? If they do they better not flop in conference play.
Oh, they'll be flopping in every game, don't worry.
 
You asked for other teams' OOC schedule ranks on that list...


Assuming KU will soon face, in Maui, any teams except UNLV and/or Wake F. (who each won less than 20 games last season), all told, KU will, this reg. season, play a total of 8 OOC games + 10 conf games vs teams who won 20+ games, last season. = 18 upcoming games vs. teams who, last season, won 20+ games**.

For KU, 10 of those 18 will be either 'neutral-court' or 'away' games.

and



UK's numbers are 9 OOC plus 8 reg.-season conf games vs. teams who, last season, won 20+ games. = 17 upcoming games vs. teams who, last season, won 20+ games**.

For UK, nine of those 17 will be either 'neutral-court' or 'away' games.

The often-cited "20 wins/season" coaching goal is based upon a rather arbitrary number and, of course, definitely, not all 20-plus-wins teams are equal, AND, of course, **every team last season is different than it will be this season, so this data is kinda...sketchy -- at best.

Also, KU's OOC schedule began a few months-ago (in reality, but not technically), in South Korea, where they went 8-0 (11-0 including the three 'neutral court' exhibitions [two over Canada and one over China])(without four of their best players [Diallo, Svi, Greene, Graham]) vs teams like Germany, Russia, Lithuania, Serbia, Turkey, Brazil (the most athletic team), and others. The four or five best teams over there were absolutely talented and deep (pro players), especially the top-two, so KU was fortunate to have gone undefeated. (The other teams over there, however, were only mediocre [with one or two cupcakes].)

So I'm sure UK and KU have two of the top OOC schedules (since a few months-ago [April]).

A lot of times, these types of ranked lists are hypothesized with no statistical foundation. More often than not, rankings are based on bad memories from prior seasons. Plus, no ranking system can ever account for the unpredictableness in how all teams play better (or worse) on some nights than others, for no apparent reason.

These rankings are a GREAT-BIG GUESS.
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I think the author just looked at November and December games thinking that all games after that would be 'conference games'. I don't think there are many Kentucky fans, Kansas fans or NCAA basketball fans that do not rank this games as one of the season's top non-conference games.
 
Of course, the frustrating thing about all this is the fact that these weak nonconference schedules will likely have very little affect on the big name schools, like Louisville and Kansas. They will get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to seeding on selection Sunday. They always do.

I've also seen some rival fans slamming the SEC as weakest among the major conferences and their own conference (the ACC in this case) as the strongest, as if this leaves UK playing a weaker schedule overall. But this is my question for, say, a Louisville fan: does your strong conference slate overcome this terrible nonconference schedule? Related: is Kentucky's supposed "weak" conference schedule weaker than Louisville's nonconference? When you consider the entire schedule, whose is truly more difficult? UK will be playing the best in the ACC, the B1G, and the B12 in the nonconference. Louisville has ONE tough nonconference game, and it is legislated to happen. Trust me, if the Cards didn't HAVE to come to Rupp this season, that game would not be on Rick's schedule.

The answer is clear to me. No matter how weak rivals may think UK's SEC schedule is, it will be tougher than these pansy nonconference schedules on this list. Grand Canyon, Western Kentucky, North Florida, Hartford, Samford, St. Francis, Eastern Michigan, Kennesaw State, UMKC and Utah Valley ALL at home? And St Louis on a neutral court in Rick's homecoming game? That's 11 guaranteed wins, regardless of how much the Cards have dropped from the last few years. Are we to believe that road games in the SEC are as easy as these?

And by the way, the SEC is no cakewalk this season. LSU is taking a huge step forward, with a significant infusion of talent, including elite recruits Ben Simmons and Antonio Blakeny. Vandy was coming on last year and will be vastly improved. Tennessee was the same and will be a tough out. Florida may not have Donovan this season, but they will still be formidable because they return most of their best players. Danuel House and Caruso will be a tough duo with Texas A&M. Moody with Ole Miss will be tough. And will Bruce Pearl have Auburn playing better? Like him or not, his teams are always tough. There are some new coaches in the league too- Rick Barnes to Tennessee, Ben Howland to Miss St, Avery Johnson to Alabama. This league may not be nearly as weak as some say.
 
You asked for other teams' OOC schedule ranks on that list...


Assuming KU will soon face, in Maui, any teams except UNLV and/or Wake F. (who each won less than 20 games last season), all told, KU will, this reg. season, play a total of 8 OOC games + 10 conf games vs teams who won 20+ games, last season. = 18 upcoming games vs. teams who, last season, won 20+ games**.

For KU, 10 of those 18 will be either 'neutral-court' or 'away' games.

and



UK's numbers are 9 OOC plus 8 reg.-season conf games vs. teams who, last season, won 20+ games. = 17 upcoming games vs. teams who, last season, won 20+ games**.

For UK, nine of those 17 will be either 'neutral-court' or 'away' games.

The often-cited "20 wins/season" coaching goal is based upon a rather arbitrary number and, of course, definitely, not all 20-plus-wins teams are equal, AND, of course, **every team last season is different than it will be this season, so this data is kinda...sketchy -- at best.

Also, KU's OOC schedule began a few months-ago (in reality, but not technically), in South Korea, where they went 8-0 (11-0 including the three 'neutral court' exhibitions [two over Canada and one over China])(without four of their best players [Diallo, Svi, Greene, Graham]) vs teams like Germany, Russia, Lithuania, Serbia, Turkey, Brazil (the most athletic team), and others. The four or five best teams over there were absolutely talented and deep (pro players), especially the top-two, so KU was fortunate to have gone undefeated. (The other teams over there, however, were only mediocre [with one or two cupcakes].)

So I'm sure UK and KU have two of the top OOC schedules (since a few months-ago [April]).

A lot of times, these types of ranked lists are hypothesized with no statistical foundation. More often than not, rankings are based on bad memories from prior seasons. Plus, no ranking system can ever account for the unpredictableness in how all teams play better (or worse) on some nights than others, for no apparent reason.

These rankings are a GREAT-BIG GUESS.
 
I think the author just looked at November and December games thinking that all games after that would be 'conference games'.
Umm... the author clearly looked past November and December and took the UK vs KU game into account in his rankings. Just read the UK synopsis. It's literally the first game that's mentioned. Damn, you KU fans sure are a dense bunch.
 
@At least 23 Ws in 22 of past 35 seasons_UK 1980-81

You do understand that OOC is an acronym for Out of Conference, correct? So if you're telling us about other teams' OOC (surprisingly the KU troll chose only KU to tell us about), then why in the world was more than half of your post not about OOC? I get it, though. You had to include the conference schedules as well to try and make KU look better and measure up to UK.

Sheesh, KU fans are becoming more and more like UofL fans every single day. I'll tell you the same thing I tell them; your best bet is to not compare KU to UK, nor think they are equal basketball programs because you'll find yourself constantly reaching, as evidenced by your post above.
 
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@At least 23 Ws in 22 of past 35 seasons_UK 1980-81

...your best bet is to not compare KU to UK, nor think they are equal basketball programs because you'll find yourself constantly reaching....

In fact, Rupp Arena is one of SEVERAL 'Jayhawk arenas' around the country (the 'Dean Dome' is another).

Besides Adolph Rupp, John Calipari also learned how to coach at KU (from two, multiple-Final-Four, KU coaches). (Current UK asst coach, John Robic, also learned at KU.)

UK basketball coach Alpha Brummage was a KU grad, Jayhawk basketball player and Kansan.

Sutton (a Kansan) went on record saying almost everyone he knew (including himself) was a passionate Jayhawks-basketball fan.

Several other UK basketball coaches lived in Kansas/Kansas City, either before or after they coached at UK (Tigert, Wendt, Park, Tuttle). I highly doubt it's two completely separate things that they both learned to love basketball AND lived in Kansas.

Native Kansans account for right-at 44% of the all-time wins at Kentucky, as well as 44% at North Carolina (Smith [KU alum] & Guthrage). And then add-in Roy Williams -- he lived in Kansas 15 years -- so really, that bumps-up UNC's Kansas-connected all-time wins to right-at 60%.

(Who are the top-3 programs in all-time wins?)

The most dominant player to ever play the game played at Kansas (most NBA records). (I know that's an arguable statement, but the argument almost always involves young people who aren't familiar with how Chamberlain would compare to today's players, and don't realize the numbers he put-up against both Russell and Jabbar. Arguments can also be made for Robertson, Maravich, Jabbar, Russell, Jordan & others.)

The inventor of the game coached at Kansas.

The "Father of Coaching" coached at Kansas.

UK claims multiple, old, Final Fours in old, weak, competing-with-the-NIT, "Championship" tournaments, which took only one win to "earn".

The real, current tournament didn't even start until 1975 and, since then, yes, UK has two more titles, but KU has had a lot of 2nd place finishes and is ahead of UK in so many, other categories. As I recently showed, Ken Pomeroy's data shows that, compared to Calipari, Bill Self is a more consistent coach. (The last-three times KU's played UK, it faced [and lost to] two of UK's best-ever teams, yet still, since the mid '80s/the "modern [seasons] era", UK has won only one more game in the series...and, in January, UK will be faced with the practically impossible challenge of winning in Allen Field House.) (Did you know: dating back to the late 1970s, in head-to-head UK-KU match-ups, until last season, the total points scored in the seventeen, previous, UK-KU match-ups were within only five points of each other?)

Coach K and Self are quite-a-ways ahead of Calipari in not losing, both at home and in true road games.

KU has lost only three home games in the past-eight seasons: one caused by a crazy 3-pter after an improbable, 15-4, late-game run, and another to a top-10 team only half-a-day/night after KU's star player's mother unexpectedly, tragically passed away (NONE of the KU players had slept the night before [the game]).

And I say all the above, not only to illustrate -- basketball-wise -- how tough it is to win in AFH, but to, in a way, illustrate how "it's only a game"; family and support is more important than basketball, and I'm happy the KU players came together and rallied around that devastated player (who has no other family, except a very young sister), and the team put a teammate's needs above their own. That's class, and I'm sure MANY UK players also have that same, very good character -- the kind that doesn't want to make excuses, or compare a simple game -- merely an entertainment -- with the cherished value of a complex life -- especially the life of a family leader.



Now, abruptly back to the topic of 'just basketball':





Looking further back than eight years-ago (almost 26 yrs-ago), KU has experienced 21 home losses since early 1990. Kentucky (ten years behind) has experienced 21 home losses since the year 2000. Since KU last missed the NCAA tournament, UK's missed it four times (twice due to not winning enough, twice due to sanctions, and, a few years before that, a Sweet 16 had to be vacated). DON'T TELL ME THOSE FOUR TOURNEY MISSES DON'T GREATLY REDUCE THE VALIDITY OF UK'S CLAIM TO #1, BECAUSE THEY DEFINITELY DO.

Many of the times when KU's lost early in the Tourney, it's been to a team who's went on to reach the Final Four, but at least KU always reaches the tournament and doesn't lose in the first round of the NIT.

At least KU has a 'modern era' winning record over UNC and UCONN.

And that's another thing: "the modern era". UK fans make endless fun of Helms banners, yet, LOL, have absolutely no shame in flaunting "championship" banners and "final four" banners from terribly old and terribly weak and invalid "championship" tournaments, in which the competition consisted of just a few "cupcake" conference winners mixed with just a few good teams (easy tournaments). Some conferences had multiple, truly great teams -- with multiple teams who could've won the national championship -- but all those many teams weren't invited, thus greatly weakening the validity of the pre-1975 tournaments (and especially the pre-1960s tournaments, from which UK claims FOUR of these [in relation to today] "bogus" "titles"). I guess KU figures, "If UK can claim sorta-made-up accomplishments, then we can too."

Both KU and UK have eight, 'modern era' (since mid-80s) Final Four appearances and, weighing everything statistically, Pomeroy data shows that KU's had "the most consistently highly successful" past-14 seasons, and, as you can see with other data, KU's claim to #1 goes back further than 14 seasons-ago.


I suspect most KU fans tend to think of UK's many great accomplishments the same way a proud father would view his boastful, young-adult son's many, great, world-renown, child-actor accomplishments and his good (but not as great) young-adult accomplishments: wishing he, instead, would've accomplished some of the things his son has, yet very proud for having pointed his son in the right direction, and quietly patient as his son is learning where he 'fits in' in the world, as his son is learning not to put so much emphasis on accomplishments which happened very long-ago, when competing against talent which is, compared to what he faces today, much-less strong & less respected. He hopes his son will someday realize all that he's done for him, yet the father is also very prideful, because he's not only accomplished things his son never will, but is still in great condition himself, and one of the few people on Earth who can still compete with his highly competitive son.





But no: I'm not a KU fan.




I'm a Washington State, UK, Brown and Jacksonville fan. I just see some silliness on this board, so I'm fighting silliness with silliness, and 'sharing info & suspicions.




Ps, If you study statistics at all, you'll see Duke is clearly the best program of the 'modern era' and K the best coach. His accomplishments carry a lot of weight because they've consistently happened in a more-difficult-to-win era -- and I don't care for Duke.




(EDIT: Sorry for any spelling/grammatical errors.)



Below link: a "Can't we all just get along?!" (and historically informative!) old, 'SchoolHouseRock' video!:









(Don't TELL me that tune 'ain't' catchy!!!!!!)








Go Wildcats!!!!!!!
 
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In fact, Rupp Arena is one of SEVERAL 'Jayhawk arenas' around the country (the 'Dean Dome' is another).

Besides Adolph Rupp, John Calipari also learned how to coach at KU (from two, multiple-Final-Four, KU coaches). (Current UK asst coach, John Robic, also learned at KU.)

UK basketball coach Alpha Brummage was a KU grad, Jayhawk basketball player and Kansan.

Sutton (a Kansan) went on record saying almost everyone he knew (including himself) was a passionate Jayhawks-basketball fan.

Several other UK basketball coaches lived in Kansas/Kansas City, either before or after they coached at UK (Tigert, Wendt, Park, Tuttle) I highly doubt it's two completely separate things that they both learned to love basketball AND lived in Kansas.

Native Kansans account for right-at 44% of the all-time wins at Kentucky, as well as 44% at North Carolina (Smith [KU alum] & Guthrage). And then add-in Roy Williams -- he lived in Kansas 15 years -- so really, that bumps-up UNC's Kansas-connected all-time wins to right-at 60%.

(Who are the top-3 programs in all-time wins, again?)

The most dominant player to ever play the game played at Kansas (most NBA records). (I know that's an arguable statement, but the argument almost always involves young people who aren't familiar with how Chamberlain would compare to today's players, and don't realize the numbers he put-up against both Russell and Jabbar.)

The inventor of the game coached at Kansas.

The "Father of Coaching" coached at Kansas.

UK claims multiple, old, Final Fours in old, weak, competing-with-the-NIT, "Championship" tournaments, which took only one win to "earn".

The real, current tournament didn't even start until 1975 and, since then, yes, UK has two more titles, but KU has had a lot of 2nd place finishes and is ahead of UK in so many, other categories. As I recently showed, Ken Pomeroy's data shows that, compared to Calipari, Bill Self is a more consistent coach. (The last-three times KU's played UK, it faced [and lost to] two of UK's best-ever teams, yet still, since the mid '80s/the "modern [seasons] era", UK has won only one more game in the series...and, in January, UK will be faced with the practically impossible challenge of winning in Allen Field House.) (Did you know: dating back to the late 1970s, in head-to-head UK-KU match-ups, until last season, the total points scored in the seventeen, previous, UK-KU match-ups were within only five points of each other?)

Coach K and Self are quite-a-ways ahead of Calipari in not losing, both at home and in true road games.

KU has lost only three home games in the past-eight seasons: one caused by a crazy 3-pter after an improbable, 15-4, late-game run, and another to a top-10 team only half-a-day/night after KU's star player's mother unexpectedly, tragically passed away (NONE of the KU players had slept the night before [the game]).

And I say all the above, not only to illustrate -- basketball-wise -- how tough it is to win in AFH, but to, in a way, illustrate how "it's only a game"; family and support is more important than basketball, and I'm happy the KU players came together and rallied around that devastated player (who has no other family, except a very young sister), and the team put a teammate's needs above their own. That's class, and I'm sure MANY UK players also have that same, very good character -- the kind that doesn't want to make excuses, or compare a simple game -- entertainment! -- with the cherished value of a complex life -- especially the life of a family leader.



Now, back to the topic of 'just basketball':

Looking further back than eight years-ago (almost 26 yrs-ago), KU has experienced 21 home losses since early 1990. Kentucky (ten years behind) has experienced 21 home losses since the year 2000. Since KU last missed the NCAA tournament, UK's missed it four times (twice due to not winning enough, twice due to sanctions, and, a few years before that, a Sweet 16 had to be vacated). DON'T TELL ME THOSE FOUR TOURNEY MISSES DON'T GREATLY REDUCE THE VALIDITY OF UK'S CLAIM TO #1, BECAUSE THEY DEFINITELY DO.

Many of the times when KU's lost early in the Tourney, it's been to a team who's went on to reach the Final Four, but at least KU always reaches the tournament and doesn't lose in the first round of the NIT.

At least KU has a 'modern era' winning record over UNC and UCONN.

And that's another thing: "the modern era". UK fans make endless fun of Helms banners, yet, LOL, have absolutely no shame in flaunting "championship" banners and "final four" banners from terribly old and terribly weak and invalid "championship" tournaments, in which the competition consisted of just a few "cupcake" conference winners mixed with just a few good teams (easy tournaments). Some conferences had multiple, truly great teams -- with multiple teams who could've won the national championship -- but all those many teams weren't invited, thus greatly weakening the validity of the pre-1975 tournaments (and especially the pre-1960s tournaments, from which UK claims FOUR of these [in relation to today] "bogus" "titles").

Both KU and UK have eight, 'modern era' (since mid-80s) Final Four appearances and, weighing everything statistically, Pomeroy data shows that KU's had "the most consistently highly successful" past-14 seasons, and, as you can see with other data, KU's claim to #1 goes back further than 14 seasons-ago.


I suspect most KU fans tend to think of UK's many great accomplishments the same way a proud father would view his boastful, young-adult son's many, great, world-renown, child-actor accomplishments: wishing he, instead, would've accomplished some of the things his son has, yet very proud for pointing him in the right direction, and quietly patient as he's learning where he fits in, and as he's learning not to put so much emphasis on accomplishments which happened long-ago when competing against talent which is much-less strong & less respected, compared to what he faces today. He hopes his son will someday realize all his father's done for him.





But no: I'm not a KU fan.




I'm a Washington State, UK, Brown and Jacksonville fan.




'Just sharing info & my suspicions.




Ps, If you study statistics at all, you'll see Duke is clearly the best program of the 'modern era' and K the best coach. His accomplishments carry a lot of weight because they've consistently happened in a more-difficult-to-win era -- and I don't care for Duke.




(EDIT: Sorry for any, possible, spelling/grammar errors.)



Below link: a "can't we all get along?" (and historically informative!) old, 'SchoolHouseRock' video:









(Don't TELL me that tune 'ain't' catchy!!!!!!)








Go Wildcats!!!!!!!
Your a Kansas fan who goes by "Jayhawks built your programs" on the phog scout forum. You now have a page on there with the same style writing with 10 links to your "proof" of how us and UNC owe you guys everything. You ain't kidding me, I've called you on this before bro. You're writing style gives you away.
Everyone go check and tell me I'm wrong. I was not going to say anything but you keep BSing everyone lol

Hell your screen name on here refers to Ku regular season success.
 
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Your a Kansas fan who goes by "Jayhawks built your programs" on the phog scout forum. You now have a page on there with the same style writing with 10 links to your "proof" of how us and UNC owe you guys everything. You ain't kidding me, I've called you on this before bro. You're writing style gives you away.
Everyone go check and tell me I'm wrong. I was not going to say anything but you keep BSing everyone lol

Hell your screen name on here refers to Ku regular season success.

LOL, Naw man!!

smh

I don't even HAVE a writing style!

What's 'writing style'!?!

What's wri...

What's...





...who ARE you???!
 
Yep, just like a KU fan. Trying to lay claim to UK's success because Rupp went to school there, and Cal had a cup of coffee there. Pathetic. Thought you guys were supposed to be fans of a blueblood program? Why the need to act like fans of a mid major?

And stop with the lies that you're not a KU fan. Michael has you pegged. You are the one that thinks that KU somehow has dibs on UK's success. That's like UK fans claiming the Lakers', Knicks' and Heat's success as UK's because Pat Riley went to school at UK.

Hell, you guys already hang Helms banners, might as well go ahead and hang Rupp and Cal championship banners, too. KU fans' new motto; If we can't beat em, then we'll claim theirs as ours.
 
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UK claims multiple, old, Final Fours in old, weak, competing-with-the-NIT, "Championship" tournaments, which took only one win to "earn".


The real, current tournament didn't even start until 1975 and, since then, yes, UK has two more titles, but KU has had a lot of 2nd place finishes and is ahead of UK in so many, other categories. As I recently showed, Ken Pomeroy's data shows that, compared to Calipari, Bill Self is a more consistent coach. (The last-three times KU's played UK, it faced [and lost to] two of UK's best-ever teams, yet still, since the mid '80s/the "modern [seasons] era", UK has won only one more game in the series...and, in January, UK will be faced with the practically impossible challenge of winning in Allen Field House.) (Did you know: dating back to the late 1970s, in head-to-head UK-KU match-ups, until last season, the total points scored in the seventeen, previous, UK-KU match-ups were within only five points of each other?)

Coach K and Self are quite-a-ways ahead of Calipari in not losing, both at home and in true road games.

KU has lost only three home games in the past-eight seasons: one caused by a crazy 3-pter after an improbable, 15-4, late-game run, and another to a top-10 team only half-a-day/night after KU's star player's mother unexpectedly, tragically passed away (NONE of the KU players had slept the night before [the game]).

And I say all the above, not only to illustrate -- basketball-wise -- how tough it is to win in AFH, but to, in a way, illustrate how "it's only a game"; family and support is more important than basketball, and I'm happy the KU players came together and rallied around that devastated player (who has no other family, except a very young sister), and the team put a teammate's needs above their own. That's class, and I'm sure MANY UK players also have that same, very good character -- the kind that doesn't want to make excuses, or compare a simple game -- entertainment! -- with the cherished value of a complex life -- especially the life of a family leader.



Now, back to the topic of 'just basketball':

Looking further back than eight years-ago (almost 26 yrs-ago), KU has experienced 21 home losses since early 1990. Kentucky (ten years behind) has experienced 21 home losses since the year 2000. Since KU last missed the NCAA tournament, UK's missed it four times (twice due to not winning enough, twice due to sanctions, and, a few years before that, a Sweet 16 had to be vacated). DON'T TELL ME THOSE FOUR TOURNEY MISSES DON'T GREATLY REDUCE THE VALIDITY OF UK'S CLAIM TO #1, BECAUSE THEY DEFINITELY DO.

Many of the times when KU's lost early in the Tourney, it's been to a team who's went on to reach the Final Four, but at least KU always reaches the tournament and doesn't lose in the first round of the NIT.

At least KU has a 'modern era' winning record over UNC and UCONN.

And that's another thing: "the modern era". UK fans make endless fun of Helms banners, yet, LOL, have absolutely no shame in flaunting "championship" banners and "final four" banners from terribly old and terribly weak and invalid "championship" tournaments, in which the competition consisted of just a few "cupcake" conference winners mixed with just a few good teams (easy tournaments). Some conferences had multiple, truly great teams -- with multiple teams who could've won the national championship -- but all those many teams weren't invited, thus greatly weakening the validity of the pre-1975 tournaments (and especially the pre-1960s tournaments, from which UK claims FOUR of these [in relation to today] "bogus" "titles").

Both KU and UK have eight, 'modern era' (since mid-80s) Final Four appearances and, weighing everything statistically, Pomeroy data shows that KU's had "the most consistently highly successful" past-14 seasons, and, as you can see with other data, KU's claim to #1 goes back further than 14 seasons-ago.


I suspect most KU fans tend to think of UK's many great accomplishments the same way a proud father would view his boastful, young-adult son's many, great, world-renown, child-actor accomplishments: wishing he, instead, would've accomplished some of the things his son has, yet very proud for pointing him in the right direction, and quietly patient as he's learning where he fits in, and as he's learning not to put so much emphasis on accomplishments which happened long-ago when competing against talent which is much-less strong & less respected, compared to what he faces today. He hopes his son will someday realize all his father's done for him.





But no: I'm not a KU fan.




I'm a Washington State, UK, Brown and Jacksonville fan. I just see some silliness on this board, so I'm fighting silliness with silliness, and 'sharing info & suspicions.




Ps, If you study statistics at all, you'll see Duke is clearly the best program of the 'modern era' and K the best coach. His accomplishments carry a lot of weight because they've consistently happened in a more-difficult-to-win era -- and I don't care for Duke.




(EDIT: Sorry for any spelling/grammatical poo.)



Below link: a "Can't we all just get along?!" (and historically informative!) old, 'SchoolHouseRock' video!:









(Don't TELL me that tune 'ain't' catchy!!!!!!)








Go Wildcats!!!!!!!

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I was wondering how long it would take someone to locate a thread that they could bring up "blue-hairs". I guess perception is greater than reality, especially for someone who doesn't attend the games.
You seem upset at the characterization when the message in reality is in defense of people that go to the games. Again, the overall schedule is very challenging but the season-ticket holder deserves better. After all, these folks have made the largest investment into the program.

Try again.
 
I'm a KU fan and even I wouldn't categorize 23 Ws in 22 as a Kentucky fan. :smiley:


At least you admit it. Pretty pathetic of him to spend enough time portraying himself as a UK fan when no one on this board actually believes that he is. Kinda astounding to keep up with that persona. I'm guessing he has problems. Because of him, is it safe to leave children around a KU fan?
 
You seem upset at the characterization when the message in reality is in defense of people that go to the games. Again, the overall schedule is very challenging but the season-ticket holder deserves better. After all, these folks have made the largest investment into the program.

Try again.

I am not sure that upset is the correct term. Agitated may be more accurate. "Blue Hairs" is not a term that someone uses when they are trying to make a point about scheduling. Season ticket holder is. The use of the term suggests that only old people attend the games, which is simply not the case. Even in the lower arena, the demographics of the attendees has changed over the years. The older ticket holders have passed along their tickets to younger family members, and some of the tickets have been relinquished, and resold. If you go to a game and make a conscious effort to look at the ages of those in attendance, you would realize that the average age of lower level attendees is much younger than imagined. I do agree that while UK plays a great OOC schedule, the season ticket holders suffer through some bad games. What makes it worse, is that they also play them at inconvenient times, such as Friday nights, Sundays, and Monday nights. However, these folks see the schedule before they commit to purchase the package and they can decide for themselves whether it is worth it, to them, or not. UK has never had a problem selling those seats, even at today's highly inflated prices.
 
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