You're allowed to have a second job right? Before NIL players weren't allowed to make income. They weren't allowed to have a job. That's the difference.
Drake Maye (UNC) to portal?
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Yeah...because Wandare Robinson spent so much time at Stockton Bank working a second job to earn $$$$
Come on man....this isn't about kids grinding out a second job to have running around money. This is about kids getting paid to literally do nearly nothing extra in terms of their free time to attend a school for playing a sport. Maybe a few commercials here and there but they are not working in the terms you argue.
That may be what it's become, but it happened because the NCAA wouldn't allow them to have the 2nd job, and then did NOTHING, let the feds come in, and put no rules or restrictions in place.Yeah...because Wandare Robinson spent so much time at Stockton Bank working a second job to earn $$$$
Come on man....this isn't about kids grinding out a second job to have running around money. This is about kids getting paid to literally do nearly nothing extra in terms of their free time to attend a school for playing a sport. Maybe a few commercials here and there but they are not working in the terms you argue.
You vehemently disagree but you have no idea what they could have done. They could have just done somethng. Got it. SMH
Wait? That's what you think? Lol, you can't be that uninformed. Ever since O'bannon this has been about student athletes owning their own NIL. 2nd jobs, hilarious.
You should reply with "So Maye is transferring to Purdue?" 🤣
Just like any other corporation/monopoly out there. CEOs and Congressman do make a ton while the workers make lower wages. You still buying from Nike, Kroger, etc...?
The reason the NCAA wouldn't allow the players to work while on scholarship was because anyone could've hired a player to "work" in the offseason, give them a fictitious job and pay them anything they wanted. They knew that once that door was opened legally they could never shut it again. Which is what we're seeing now... Now, the NCAA didn't have to be dicks about it either and make players pay back the dollar's worth of cream cheese they put on their bagel, but they did. And it was this kind of nitpicking, micromanaging that led to what we have today.
But the legal issue around NIL would still be here, plus you'd be paying players. No thanks.
In a small way but what led to today was the NCAA trying to control, and profit from, individual NIL. O'Bannon would have brought us here regardless of anything else.
Well the ncaa is very much like much the government in the type of people calling the shots , the use of the “good ole boy” network ,the way it takes forever to get something done , and their totally corrupt nature.
Just a random thing here . The company I used to work for paid close to $100,000 dollars to remove a window and have a helicopter lift a roll of carpet to the top floor of a high rise building all because the CEO didn’t want a seam in his carpet. One of the most ridiculous things I’ve heard.
Again, what framework? Anything that limited NIL wouldn't stand and the same issue exists with transfers which is why we now have pure free agency. I can't think of a single thing they could do and all you do is throw out buzzwords without supporting any of them.
Dude, I'm not going to sit here and say every little thing they could have and should have done. The fact remains that had they put something almost ANYTHING in place for athletes to make money before the Feds stepped in, all this probably went away. They stuck their heads in the sand and said we want to make all the money and the athletes generating this revenue get a scholarship and that's it, athletes eventually got fed up, some sued, and their lack of response caught government attention forcing their hands. I personally think the NCAA wants it to be a mess, because they're hoping the government will decide it was bad and let them go back to keeping all the money. I think that's why even after the govt forced NIL on them, they were still slow to react, and basically made no rules creating this wild west system that so many are complaining about.
Saw where we have the 4th best odds to land Hudson Card. Would put him in there with Maye of being best available. But doesn't look like we have much of a chance for Card unless he wanted to play in the SEC. Spencer Sanders would probably be great also.
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Just plain wrong and you've never said a single thing they could have done, let alone "every single thing". Once O'Bannon started there was no stopping it. You refuse to understand that simple point. You're basically saying they could have legislated away what the courts clearly consider basic human rights. Either that or you think players are so stupid that they would accept partial handouts.
Neither idea is valid or even lucid.
Yep. College sports as we knew it is dead. Only question, will it stabilize or become a minor-league of sorts?
Maybe the NFL would adopt each SEC, big10 and big 12 school. Then the WNFL could take ACC and PAC10.
Used to work there myself. I wonder if we know each other. I know the story well and who the CEO was. He is the reason LG&E isn’t an independent company anymore.
The courts legislated that NIL money couldn't be prevented.
That is not the same thing as making it ok to give players money to attend a certain school.
One reason the ncaa isn't addressing it is that they don't want any further suits from players trying to recover the billions they and their members received over decades from huge corporations to let them use the players' images to get sponsorship and advertising money.
Another is that they're getting kickbacks in addition to ridiculous salaries and they know they have to shut up to keep getting paid.
The model that is obsolete is the ncaa itself, so it's mantra right now is cya and duck in hopes that it can stick around as long as possible. You think the NFL knew about cte and the ncaa didn't?
Networks used video, photos, and names of players to promote broadcasts for 40 years. Ran national ads that would've cost thousands to 10s of thousands of dollars per airing paid to actors nobody had heard of for even a 30 sec spot, if they were part of an actors guild. The NIL value of the players they used to promote their broadcasts was WAY WAY HIGHER than actors you never heard of, so do the math.
There's a reason everything is virtue signaling right now. The next generation of viewers doesn't care about sports like the generations that are dying off. They're desperate to capture that audience at all costs, because their broadcasting costs and the rights to them are still going up in spite of the future roi value not being there. Viewership and attendance are declining for the non-premier games. The pay-per-value isn't there either. They risked losing the older audience to try to capture the younger and lost at both.
The super conferences are going to be the final nail in the coffin of what we once loved. I, personally, wonder if this isn't the beginning of the end of the bloated college educational system as well. Once athletics is hollowed out, the focus will be shifted completely to the vast failings of the educational side of the same system.
That is not the same thing as making it ok to give players money to attend a certain school.
One reason the ncaa isn't addressing it is that they don't want any further suits from players trying to recover the billions they and their members received over decades from huge corporations to let them use the players' images to get sponsorship and advertising money.
Another is that they're getting kickbacks in addition to ridiculous salaries and they know they have to shut up to keep getting paid.
The model that is obsolete is the ncaa itself, so it's mantra right now is cya and duck in hopes that it can stick around as long as possible. You think the NFL knew about cte and the ncaa didn't?
Networks used video, photos, and names of players to promote broadcasts for 40 years. Ran national ads that would've cost thousands to 10s of thousands of dollars per airing paid to actors nobody had heard of for even a 30 sec spot, if they were part of an actors guild. The NIL value of the players they used to promote their broadcasts was WAY WAY HIGHER than actors you never heard of, so do the math.
There's a reason everything is virtue signaling right now. The next generation of viewers doesn't care about sports like the generations that are dying off. They're desperate to capture that audience at all costs, because their broadcasting costs and the rights to them are still going up in spite of the future roi value not being there. Viewership and attendance are declining for the non-premier games. The pay-per-value isn't there either. They risked losing the older audience to try to capture the younger and lost at both.
The super conferences are going to be the final nail in the coffin of what we once loved. I, personally, wonder if this isn't the beginning of the end of the bloated college educational system as well. Once athletics is hollowed out, the focus will be shifted completely to the vast failings of the educational side of the same system.
The ncaa fought paying kids stipends to the point it went to the courts. The ncaa could of made some sensible concessions on 'amateur' rules and we'd still be fooled into thinking most of these kids are playing for the love of the game and school. The ncaa is to blame for taking this to court even when they were warned they would likely lose.
The highest figure I have seen for Barnhart is a fraction of this figure.
Tom Jurich made 5 million his last year or two, but was a multiple of the next AD in line.
Every conservative American should love this system, it is pure capitalism. Those schools losing players just need to buckle down and work harder right
Heck , he ruined one of the big telephone companies before we hired him . I found an old Eon shirt in my closet the other day , lol .
5 million dollars for me, but not for thee
https://www.si.com/college/pittsbur...ff-capel-highest-paid-pitt-panthers-employees
Pitt paid Narduzzi $5,391,518 and an additional $253,419 listed under "other compensation from the organization and related organizations." His base salary was $3,973,910 and he received an additional $1,316,667 in bonuses and incentive compensation. The remaining $100,091 was listed under "other reportable compensation." Narduzzi also received $233,600 in retirement and other deferred compensation and $19,819 in nontaxable benefits.
Totally speculative. You’re assuming if they (NCAA) would have done something that satisfied the players who bought the legal action in the first place. Any restrictions on earnings/NIL could have been challenged so to speculate the NCAA “could have done something” is just that, Speculation. The end result was likely to be nearly identical to what we have now.
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