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Does UK have the weakest non conference schedule in the SEC?

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If not, they're close.
We should be playing a Big 10, Big 12 or ACC opponent.
Even fellow "basketball schools" like UNC and Kansas are playing better comp than us.
Makes Stoops look scared to take a loss.
 
If we stay at 8 SEC games, we need to split the non conference with two cupcakes and two quality opponents.
With the opt outs, Idk why anyone would stress over being bowl eligible.
Play your bowl game in Sept when it means something.
We won’t stay at 8.
 
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I have a hard time even watching these 3 games every year, much less go to them. I've paid my MAC dues. I don't need to see them anymore. It's a big reason I would never even consider being a season ticket holder ever again.
 
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I believe the SEC will go to 9 games in 2025 season. It's dumb to stay at 8 with a 12 team playoff.

And UK is playing an ACC team. The OP can't be taken serious if he doesn't know that.
We play UL regardless of what conference they're in.
Everyone in the SEC has a tough schedule but it doesn't stop most every other school from playing a P5 non conference game regardless of whether they have an in state P5 rival(SC/Fla).
What would the downside be in replacing one of the MAC schools with say a Mich St which would get ESPN coverage?
A loss?
I would have rather played Iowa Labor day weekend last year instead of that joke in Nashville on NYE.
 
We should be playing a Big 10, Big 12 or ACC opponent.

UL is an ACC opponent. You may have missed this.


Makes Stoops look scared to take a loss.

That is ridiculous. Being smart is different from being afraid. Besides, these schedules are made years ahead of time. What is your problem with Stoops? We have the #1, 3, and 9 ranked teams in the country on our conference schedule. Every year we play in the toughest conference in the country. Taking some warmup games in September is smart, and playing UL and EKU scores political points in Frankfort by keeping all that money in the state and keeping all those connected alumni happy.
 
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I'd say Mississippi state's is worse. Their only P5 game is Arizona at home, and I'd say UL on road is tougher.

Arkansas also has only BYU at home, which would be similar to UL.

Tennessee is historically the most ambitious SEC team when it comes to scheduling, but their schedule is terrible this year with Virginia in Nashville and UCONN at home as their OOC games.

UK doesn't try to be ambitious with its OOC scheduling and I think it's a smart move.
 
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UL is an ACC opponent. You may have missed this.




That is ridiculous. Being smart is different from being afraid. Besides, these schedules are made years ahead of time. What is your problem with Stoops? We have the #1, 3, and 9 ranked teams in the country on our conference schedule. Every year we play in the toughest conference in the country. Taking some warmup games in September is smart, and playing UL and EKU scores political points in Frankfort by keeping all that money in the state and keeping all those connected alumni happy.
Stoops has the job security now to take the chance.
He doesn't NEED the three cupcake wins to survive.
Still don't see the downside for the program to replace ONE of the OOC opponents for another P5 opponent.
We are playing on SEC+ today.
 
I'd say Mississippi state's is worse. Their only P5 game is Arizona at home, and I'd say UL on road is tougher.

Arkansas also has only BYU at home, which would be similar to UL.

Tennessee is historically the most ambitious SEC team when it comes to scheduling, but their schedule is terrible this year with Virginia in Nashville and UCONN at home as their OOC games.

UK doesn't try to be ambitious with its OOC scheduling and I think it's a smart move.
But UK is supposed to be an ambitious program on the rise.
Just don't see the downside to rolling the dice.
I guess the downside would be putting a MCB or Liberty bowl in jeopardy but who knows if our real team will actually play in that game.
Stakes are higher early.
You get better football.
 
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Stoops has the job security now to take the chance.
He doesn't NEED the three cupcake wins to survive.
Still don't see the downside for the program to replace ONE of the OOC opponents for another P5 opponent.
We are playing on SEC+ today.
We’re playing on SEC+ because SEC schools are required to have one streaming game per season. It’s part of the SEC contract with ESPN and has nothing to do with our OOC schedule.
 
We’re playing on SEC+ because SEC schools are required to have one streaming game per season. It’s part of the SEC contract with ESPN and has nothing to do with our OOC schedule.
I realize that.
It's still an unattractive game that would probably be there without the requirements.
 
We play UL regardless of what conference they're in.

You are confusing the reasons CM Newton booked UL in 1994 with the different reasons Kentucky still plays UL now in the 2020s. If UL was still a secondary conference team, they would no longer be on our schedule despite the wishes of UL grads in the state legislature. As an ACC team, UL serves multiple purposes on our schedule, and I will remind you that UL was a dangerous game and possible loss for Stoops up through Lamar Jackson's tenure. Yet Stoops supported and played the game anyway. And Stoops beat Lamar.

Everyone in the SEC has a tough schedule but it doesn't stop most every other school from playing a P5 non conference game regardless of whether they have an in state P5 rival(SC/Fla).

The method of using the first several games like a warmup schedule gives Stoops a chance to work out the rust and inconsistencies, which has become more useful in the age of the transfer portal.

Today Florida plays McNeese. Last week, Florida got hammered by Utah in SLC. Does Billy Napier consider this smart scheduling?

LSU got embarrassed last week by FSU in Tallahassee. Was that smart scheduling? Afterward, Brian Kelly scorched his team to the media. Today, LSU plays Grambling.

Like Kentucky, Georgia does not play P5 nonconference teams until their rival game against Georgia Tech over Thanksgiving week. Is Kirby scared to lose?
 
I realize that.
It's still an unattractive game that would probably be there without the requirements.
No it wouldn’t. Last season our game with Youngstown State was on SEC Network and our game with NIU was on ESPN2.

If it weren’t for that contractual requirement, our game would not be on ESPN+. It would be on one of their networks and ESPN would simply adjust which time-slot we’re given.
 
If not, they're close.
We should be playing a Big 10, Big 12 or ACC opponent.
Even fellow "basketball schools" like UNC and Kansas are playing better comp than us.
Makes Stoops look scared to take a loss.
Also, compare “fellow basketball schools” overall SOS?
 
You are confusing the reasons CM Newton booked UL in 1994 with the different reasons Kentucky still plays UL now in the 2020s. If UL was still a secondary conference team, they would no longer be on our schedule despite the wishes of UL grads in the state legislature. As an ACC team, UL serves multiple purposes on our schedule, and I will remind you that UL was a dangerous game and possible loss for Stoops up through Lamar Jackson's tenure. Yet Stoops supported and played the game anyway. And Stoops beat Lamar.



The method of using the first several games like a warmup schedule gives Stoops a chance to work out the rust and inconsistencies, which has become more useful in the age of the transfer portal.

Today Florida plays McNeese. Last week, Florida got hammered by Utah in SLC. Does Billy Napier consider this smart scheduling?

LSU got embarrassed last week by FSU in Tallahassee. Was that smart scheduling? Afterward, Brian Kelly scorched his team to the media. Today, LSU plays Grambling..

Like Kentucky, Georgia does not play P5 nonconference teams until their rival game against Georgia Tech over Thanksgiving week. Is Kirby scared to lose?
Florida and LSU wouldn't be who they are if they didn't play those games
 
We are playing on SEC+ today.

I realize that.
Then why'd you bring it up? Georgia was on SEC + last week. Georgia is playing Ball State this week. The only P5 opponent on Georgia"s schedule is Georgia Tech, a program vastly worst than our P5 opponent Louisville for 10 yrs.

I think we keep doing what we do, and ignore empty barrels like you clunking along not contributing to UK football getting better.
 
Then why'd you bring it up? Georgia was on SEC + last week. Georgia is playing Ball State this week. The only P5 opponent on Georgia"s schedule is Georgia Tech, a program vastly worst than our P5 opponent Louisville for 10 yrs.

I think we keep doing what we do, and ignore empty barrels like you clunking along not contributing to UK football getting better.
In fairness to Georgia, they were supposed to start a home and home with Oklahoma today but it got canceled when Oklahoma joined the SEC. I think the reason it had to be canceled and Alabama/Texas didn't is this completes that series. Georgia and Oklahoma were supposed to play next year in Norman so you would have had 2 conference teams playing a non-conference game.
 
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Stoops has the job security now to take the chance.
He doesn't NEED the three cupcake wins to survive.
Still don't see the downside for the program to replace ONE of the OOC opponents for another P5 opponent.
We are playing on SEC+ today.
If you don't see a downside for aggressive scheduling, then you don't understand the process of building and managing our football program. Schedules are made and contracts are signed years ahead of time. Sometimes almost a decade ahead. The program is built in stages. New facilities, hold onto the staff and build up the payroll, build up the recruiting budget, establish a self sustaining winning culture. Seven or eight years from now, how do you know Kentucky won't open against Virginia Tech or Maryland? There is a big difference between being smart and being scared.
 
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Then why'd you bring it up? Georgia was on SEC + last week. Georgia is playing Ball State this week. The only P5 opponent on Georgia"s schedule is Georgia Tech, a program vastly worst than our P5 opponent Louisville for 10 yrs.

I think we keep doing what we do, and ignore empty barrels like you clunking along not contributing to UK football getting better.
That's why I started the topic in the first place to see where the fan base stood as far as scheduling.
So I guess most agree that doing what we're doing is the way to improve.
Still seems like it would be a great atmosphere at Kroger field today with a Mich St or Maryland coming to town.
I'm not advocating playing Ohio St.
I just don't see that taking the loss would set the program back and a win would be huge.
 
That's why I started the topic in the first place to see where the fan base stood as far as scheduling.
So I guess most agree that doing what we're doing is the way to improve.
Still seems like it would be a great atmosphere at Kroger field today with a Mich St or Maryland coming to town.
I'm not advocating playing Ohio St.
I just don't see that taking the loss would set the program back and a win would be huge.

The people who run our program are doing a good job.
 
If you don't see a downside for aggressive scheduling, then you don't understand the process of building and managing our football program. Schedules are made and contracts are signed years ahead of time. Sometimes almost a decade ahead. The program is built in stages. New facilities, hold onto the staff and build up the payroll, build up the recruiting budget, establish a self sustaining winning culture. Seven or eight years from now, how do you know Kentucky won't open against Virginia Tech or Maryland? There is a big difference between being smart and being scared.
Thought he had already done those things.
Didn't realize we were 7-8 years away from being able to schedule aggressively.
Is Stoops even here in 7-8 years.
 
Thought he had already done those things.
Didn't realize we were 7-8 years away from being able to schedule aggressively.
Is Stoops even here in 7-8 years.
Do you realize how far ahead of time football schedules are negotiated? Maybe you have been confusing public announcements of the schedule with planning and negotiating of the schedule. Two completely different things.
 
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Do you realize how far ahead of time football schedules are negotiated? Maybe you have been confusing public announcements of the schedule with planning and negotiating of the schedule. Two completely different things.
Yes but you can buy out an EKU if the opportunity presents itself for a more lucrative game.
 
Thought he had already done those things.
Didn't realize we were 7-8 years away from being able to schedule aggressively.
Is Stoops even here in 7-8 years.
Our killer thing with our schedule is that our in-state rival is OOC. There are very few P5 programs that play more than one P5 program out of conference. The way we schedule is the way 80% of the P5 teajs schedule. If UL was in the SEC, we would be playing a different P5 team every couple of years like a lot of programs do.
 
Our killer thing with our schedule is that our in-state rival is OOC. There are very few P5 programs that play more than one P5 program out of conference. The way we schedule is the way 80% of the P5 teajs schedule. If UL was in the SEC, we would be playing a different P5 team every couple of years like a lot of programs do.
I understand but So Carolina does the same but they still opened with UNC.
I don't think we are behind them as a program.
I understand it's a gamble and I used to have the opinion that getting bowl eligible was the end all be all for UK football but last years MCB changed my mind when our real team didn't show up.
Don't know if it's going to be any different going forward.
 
Just don't understand why UK should have to play 2 power 5 teams when upper tier teams don't do it usually.
 
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I understand but So Carolina does the same but they still opened with UNC.
I don't think we are behind them as a program.
I understand it's a gamble and I used to have the opinion that getting bowl eligible was the end all be all for UK football but last years MCB changed my mind when our real team didn't show up.
Don't know if it's going to be any different going forward.
SC is an exception to the rule. They haven’t gotten any further as a program bc they play two P5 OOC opponents. What is the benefit for them in playing 2 P5 OOC opponents?
 
They don't have to but a W would be nice for national recognition.
It's rolling the dice

It's not gonna help UK win the SEC or get them any closer to the national title so I don't see the benefit being more than the risk.

We play a lot of tough teams n the SEC so schedule is already extremely difficult.

UK needs to focus on finishing a strong season and going 10 and 2. We do that like we failed to in 2018 and 2021 and then we are making the 12 team playoff one season. That's all I care about.
 
Just don't understand why UK should have to play 2 power 5 teams when upper tier teams don't do it usually.
We shouldn't. Few do. Alabama's OOC has been structured like UK for 20 yrs - 1 P5, 2 G5, 1 1-AA. Hell at least UK plays on the road at Louisville every other year - last year at Texas was the first Bama road out of conference in decades. Most of the time Bama has a ""neutral site"" power 5 game in Atlanta....with 90% of the seats.

What's the benefits of playing Mich St or Va Tech? Get on TV? Every game is on TV! And has been since the creation of the SEC network! More media attention? Tell me folks, how much media attention have you read or seen about Purdue-Va Tech game today? Or Wisconsin-Washington St? All attention is on the power schools, and hot stories. Recruiting? Kids don't give AF who is on the schedule!!!! They want NIL, and build their brand, and be developed to get drafted.
 
We shouldn't. Few do. Alabama's OOC has been structured like UK for 20 yrs - 1 P5, 2 G5, 1 1-AA. Hell at least UK plays on the road at Louisville every other year - last year at Texas was the first Bama road out of conference in decades. Most of the time Bama has a ""neutral site"" power 5 game in Atlanta....with 90% of the seats.

What's the benefits of playing Mich St or Va Tech? Get on TV? Every game is on TV! And has been since the creation of the SEC network! More media attention? Tell me folks, how much media attention have you read or seen about Purdue-Va Tech game today? Or Wisconsin-Washington St? All attention is on the power schools, and hot stories. Recruiting? Kids don't give AF who is on the schedule!!!! They want NIL, and build their brand, and be developed to get drafted.

100% agree.
 
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SC is an exception to the rule. They haven’t gotten any further as a program bc they play two P5 OOC opponents. What is the benefit for them in playing 2 P5 OOC opponents?
I guess because the fan base wants to play a rivalry game against UNC and they want to recruit NC and wins against UNC help their cause.
Fan base would probably be pissed if game was dropped.
 
Then why'd you bring it up? Georgia was on SEC + last week. Georgia is playing Ball State this week. The only P5 opponent on Georgia"s schedule is Georgia Tech, a program vastly worst than our P5 opponent Louisville for 10 yrs.

I think we keep doing what we do, and ignore empty barrels like you clunking along not contributing to UK football getting better.
I buy tickets every year.
I think that is a contribution.
Got my Vandy tickets.
Sorry if I can't get excited about the first 3 games.
 
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