Does Cal attack Duke on the recruiting trail?
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Cal needs to do his own thing.
I hate negative recruiting under any circumstances.
I want kids that Cal can inspire, not kids that are influenced by negative recruiting.
UK brings a lot to the table, and Cal needs to focus on THAT, and how he can help these young kids to reach their goals...
Honestly, I'm more excited about our recruiting class along with returning some players from this team, than I would be if we were gonna try to do it with all freshmen again next year.
I'm excited to go against Duke's team next year!
I hate negative recruiting under any circumstances.
I want kids that Cal can inspire, not kids that are influenced by negative recruiting.
UK brings a lot to the table, and Cal needs to focus on THAT, and how he can help these young kids to reach their goals...
Honestly, I'm more excited about our recruiting class along with returning some players from this team, than I would be if we were gonna try to do it with all freshmen again next year.
I'm excited to go against Duke's team next year!
One of the smarter more self-aware Duke posts I've seen.. ever?
The relationship with Parker could very well be just as much on Jabari as it is on Coach K. But he seems to have quite a few issues with the above players. I wonder how they receive K now. Because FWIW, it seems even our transfers still speak highly of Calipari. I don't see any contact between Coach K and current NBA players.. but, I'm alos not keeping me eye out for it either.
I'm not sure he's going to force those two guys out. Sorry, but only Cal willing pushes players who would have risked too much to return. Gary Trent absolutely should go. Duval does have things to work on, but he could also expose himself more.
Meh.
Duke got a super-easy South bracket and a favorable whistle in Houston (against Baylor).
They also got to play Wisconsin instead of UK.
The 2010 & 2015 teams were Cal's two-most talented teams that didn't win a title.
The NCAA did everything it could to keep the two teams from playing.
UK was at least moderately cheated against WVA, and they were super-cheated against Wisconsin.
Duke winning both those titles without having to face UK, is why those titles are viewed as "flukish" .
2010 Duke had a top 5 offensive and defensive efficiency before and after the tournament.
Every team Duke faced after the first round of the tournament was a top 15 Kenpom team.
I don’t mind people saying Dukes 2015 path was pretty weak because you can’t logically argue against it. 2010 is a different story. Kansas and Duke were far and away the two best teams over the whole season. Duke also ended 2010 with the #1 SOS.
Every team Duke faced after the first round of the tournament was a top 15 Kenpom team.
I don’t mind people saying Dukes 2015 path was pretty weak because you can’t logically argue against it. 2010 is a different story. Kansas and Duke were far and away the two best teams over the whole season. Duke also ended 2010 with the #1 SOS.
I’m definitely for some negative recruiting against the hypocrisy that K demonstrates. I do not think calling him out is a good idea.
K is viewed by the media as the king. His media presentation reminds me of how I’ve heard people looked a Rupp. Or Wooden. All I’ve heard is that during their time they were viewed as kings and it wasn’t until after they retired that the criticism came out.
If I’m wrong at that comparison forgive me. It’s purey based off what I’ve heard and now see with the treatment of K by the NCAA, it’s officials, and the media.
K is viewed by the media as the king. His media presentation reminds me of how I’ve heard people looked a Rupp. Or Wooden. All I’ve heard is that during their time they were viewed as kings and it wasn’t until after they retired that the criticism came out.
If I’m wrong at that comparison forgive me. It’s purey based off what I’ve heard and now see with the treatment of K by the NCAA, it’s officials, and the media.
Guys you can say what you want and get on here and moan and groan about Coach K, but he has taken over the mantle of the one-and-done recruiting... Don't know why but it is what it is and until Cal can get back to getting the elite of the elite then this trend, I fear, is going to continue.
Yeah - that Purdue team was great after Robbie Hummel went down.
And Duke was “far and away” one of the two best teams over the whole season?
How can you say that and look at yourself in the mirror?
Purdue was the only four seed to actually make it to the sweet 16 that year.
Yes I can. Top five in both offense and defense while facing a top 5 SOS.
SOS is manipulated. As a Duke fan, you should know this.
And it helped you that Purdue made it that far.
So, congrats on that.
And you got one of the friendliest whistles imaginable in the regional final.
So, congrats on that.
We know your last two titles are tainted. And we also know that you have to sleep at night.
Far and away. What a crock.
If Duke had had one of the other four seeds that lost early people would say Duke got benefited by the fact their four seed lost early.
That Duke team was really good on both ends of the floor.
They benefited from having an injured 4 seed. I’m saying it because it’s the truth.
Didn’t say that Duke wasn’t good.
But your supposition that they were “far and away” one of the two best teams in the country and ignore Kentucky as being in that realm is asinine.
Duke and Kansas were in a tier of their own by the end of the season. Kentucky was in the next tier.
If UK doesn’t shoot 32 threes against WV this argument would have been settled on the court. You had Cousins and shot 32 threes!
Duke already received a surprising No. 1 seed Sunday night, and now they catch another break with arguably the easiest draw in the tournament -- they miss West Virginia and instead get a slumping Villanova as the No. 2 seed in their bracket.
https://www.sbnation.com/2010/3/14/...aa-basketball-tournament-bracket-south-region
https://www.sbnation.com/2010/3/14/...aa-basketball-tournament-bracket-south-region
But the biggest blunder — and I’d give the Guerrero committee a C- overall — clearly was the treatment Duke received.
I suppose you could make a case for the Blue Devils being the third overall seed, ahead of Syracuse. That’s a debatable matter.
What is not debatable is that Duke received a stunningly soft draw, especially compared to Kansas.
Compare the high seeds in each region:
Duke gets faltering Villanova as its No. 2, while KU gets rolling, Evan Tuner-led Ohio State.
Duke gets erratic Baylor as its No. 3, while KU gets Big East runner-up Georgetown.
Duke gets fading Purdue as its No. 4, while KU gets ACC regular-season champ Maryland.
Duke gets fair-to-middling Texas A&M as its No. 5, while KU gets nobody-wants-to-play-em Michigan State.
The committee is supposed to balance the brackets, not weigh one down with powerhouses and softened one up with lightweights.
In a word: Abominable.
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegesports/2010/03/15/ncaa-tournament-the-duke-conspiracy-theory/
I suppose you could make a case for the Blue Devils being the third overall seed, ahead of Syracuse. That’s a debatable matter.
What is not debatable is that Duke received a stunningly soft draw, especially compared to Kansas.
Compare the high seeds in each region:
Duke gets faltering Villanova as its No. 2, while KU gets rolling, Evan Tuner-led Ohio State.
Duke gets erratic Baylor as its No. 3, while KU gets Big East runner-up Georgetown.
Duke gets fading Purdue as its No. 4, while KU gets ACC regular-season champ Maryland.
Duke gets fair-to-middling Texas A&M as its No. 5, while KU gets nobody-wants-to-play-em Michigan State.
The committee is supposed to balance the brackets, not weigh one down with powerhouses and softened one up with lightweights.
In a word: Abominable.
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegesports/2010/03/15/ncaa-tournament-the-duke-conspiracy-theory/
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There is nothing honest about this guy.
Uses Kenpom ratings..
doesn't realize they are from the very end of the season..
Going into the tournament, Duke was behind Kentucky, and they had 3 more losses. If anything Duke was a 2nd tier, but got 1st tier treatment, and were able to parlay that into a title and boost their metrics.
doesn't realize they are from the very end of the season..
Going into the tournament, Duke was behind Kentucky, and they had 3 more losses. If anything Duke was a 2nd tier, but got 1st tier treatment, and were able to parlay that into a title and boost their metrics.
Stfu already
You honestly think UK was a 2nd tier team at the season's end?
UK was really good, but just a step below Duke.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/15/sports/ncaabasketball/15ncaa.html
Others wondered if it was one of the least fair in recent memory. The No. 1 overall seed, Kansas, appears to have a much more difficult road to the Final Four in Indianapolis than any of the other three top seeds, Kentucky, Duke and Syracuse. Duke, the third overall No. 1 seed, appears to have the easiest path, with reeling No. 2 Villanova, inexperienced No. 3 Baylor and injured No. 4 Purdue in the South Region.
Others wondered if it was one of the least fair in recent memory. The No. 1 overall seed, Kansas, appears to have a much more difficult road to the Final Four in Indianapolis than any of the other three top seeds, Kentucky, Duke and Syracuse. Duke, the third overall No. 1 seed, appears to have the easiest path, with reeling No. 2 Villanova, inexperienced No. 3 Baylor and injured No. 4 Purdue in the South Region.
Clearly, I must have been imagining that Duke got an easy draw.
Otherwise, I would have had an easy time finding multiple articles from 8 years ago, specifically addressing the relative weakness of their draw.
Otherwise, I would have had an easy time finding multiple articles from 8 years ago, specifically addressing the relative weakness of their draw.
The kind of players who can't see through the bull at Duke shouldn't come here.
And it was just an opinion that they were number three over-all seed, right?
Despite your “fact” that they were “far and away” one one of the 2 best teams in the country.
I don’t know how people function in such disillusionment.
HAHAHAHAHA. Here come the stories about how "classy" Coach K is. Care to talk about the multiple times he has chastised opposing players in the handshake line after losing for being "too excited"?
Get that phony sh*t outta here.
It’s my opinion they were far and away top two. I can support my argument with data though. I will gladly be open to contrarian data.
Duke fans can say what they want, the buzz was there around Jabari. Why did he take so long to go to the NBA when he was, at worst, a top3 pick. Why did the assistant coaches have to come to his defense when Coach K practically shrugged it off and decided his precious time was best served with Mercer and not his team that just choked.
Spin away...
Spin away...
LMAO well if Kenpom said it......
You stats guys are hilarious. When did dorks start caring about sports?
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No, they weren't..
http://realtimerpi.com/2009-2010/rpi_Men.html
They had a better record, better RPI, were seeded overall higher, and were the hotter team going into Selection Sunday. The only Kenpom rankings I can find are AFTER the tournament, where Duke undoubtedly got a boost. Playing Hummel-less purdue? Certainly a metric booster.
If you subscribe to Kenpom you can view Kenpom pre-tournament data.
AdjEM rankings
KU- 32.51
Duke - 31.55
Syracuse - 27.59
WV- 25.73
Wiscy- 25.56
OSU- 25.47
Kansas St- 24.94
Kentucky- 24.91
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