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What were her policies, except for the child tax credit? The rest were conclusions, not polices. She is going to fix the exorbitant cost of housing? Okay, but that is not a plan, that is a goal. Where was the plan? And, why should we have to wait, considering she is in office right now. She is going to fix the border problem they created? Great, but again, that is not a plan, but an aspiration that as the Border Czar she could have implemented at any time over the past 3+ years.
The only other actual plan I remember is that she is going to re-federalize abortion by codifying Roe v. Wade. If you think that is going to happen, take a seat, because standing is not permitting the blood to get to your brain.
538's aggregate polls have her up 3% and Trump is lagging in the states he needs to secure based on those polls as well (see my previous comment about NC's republican gubernatorial candidate and some of the other candidates in other purple states).
It's about as tight as the last two elections were.
The "Haitians eating our pets" will go down as a Col Jessup moment. It is offensive and ridiculous on so many levels. The whole point of that line of attack is to appeal to white people who are afraid of black people and immigrants. I can't believe a presidential candidate would personally make those attacks (instead of through a surrogate) in a debate.
Yeah, about 538, LOL They removed Rasmussen and continue to use Bloomberg, so... I wouldn't go by that.
RCP (which includes ALL polls) has her up by 1, which if you know anything about Presidential elections, is not CLOSE to enough for a Democrat. I can expand on why that is if you want me to. You can believe me or not, that's fine, but even her campaign admits that she's got a TON of ground to make up.
RCP (which includes ALL polls) has her up by 1, which if you know anything about Presidential elections, is not CLOSE to enough for a Democrat. I can expand on why that is if you want me to. You can believe me or not, that's fine, but even her campaign admits that she's got a TON of ground to make up.
Would love to hear a discussion from someone who was truly undecided going into last nights debate, and how it impacted their choice.
I expected Kamala to do almost as bad as Joe. So stringing sentences together without falling flat on her face far exceeded my expectations. I’m obviously very biased, but I thought Kamala was the “winner” to the extent one can be declared last night.
As someone who thinks 4 more years of the people running the Biden admin is an existential threat to our country, I thought Trump did a piss poor job. But voting for the democrat machine fronted by Kamala is a nonstarter.
Keep in mind, there's two minutes to respond to a question and the guy next to you is trying to say the craziest things in the world to get you to respond to him rather than discuss policy. She has stated (to my knowledge) that investment firms buying up the majority of houses during the recession and historically low interest rates drove up the cost of housing. You can pass laws to limit the first but there isn't much you can do (as President) with interest rates. Hopefully the Fed can get this sorted, but the whole world appears to be guessing at this point because these problems aren't uniquely American.
As for the border, you may want to consult with Trump on that as well. He's stated in the past that he easily could have closed the border but didn't (until the pandemic that is) because he was more hellbent on building an expensive, and ineffective, wall. Why? Because people don't get hyped up for policy, they get hyped for catch phrases.
Again, she at least tried to talk about some policy ideals. The policy talking point form Trump was his woeful repeal and replace response. Again, that isn't Trump's fault, he doesn't pass laws, the Republicans have yet to posit an actual healthcare bill worth a damn since Obamacare.
I think that would be relevant had the past four years not happened. People don’t want to go back to the Russian Collusion hoax (there will be some version of that from the Dems if Trump is elected) and Trump’s goofy press conferences, BUT many people DO want to go back to how safe the world seemed and how things were flowing well for people domestically before the pandemic and this administration effed it up.
Are we better off now? No. That is not debatable.
Two thoughts on this:
1.) My comment was directly aimed at you posting "she's pretty far behind", which she is not. You can argue polls all you want to, I'm not beholden to 538, it's just an aggregate of a ton of polls that skew every direction. Fox news has Trump up 1 point with 3% variance. There isn't a single poll showing her pretty far behind.
2.) See my earlier point about this election being different than previous elections. They aren't trying to win the youth, minorities or single college educated white women. They're trying to win Arizona, Ohio, Penn, Georgia, NC and possibly the midwest wall (Wisconsin, Michigan, etc.). A national poll doesn't mean jack when 45 states are already decided.
It's going to be tight. If he loses, everyone cheated (another horrendous character flaw) and if he wins, he will still allege she cheated and will threaten to lock everyone up.
There, I spoiled the ending.
Trump’s face is an SNL skit in itself during the debates. SNL cannot top that. Only Phil Hartman could top Trump’s look. But, he sat there quietly. She is the one who looked unhinged during her opponent’s comments. He even had to remind her to keep quiet even though her mic was supposedly turned off.
What people are calling a Trump meltdown was just Trump.
BTW, he missed a lot of opportunities, but one would have been to invite everyone to a Trump rally when she told people to go. He should have said he agreed with her on that, but that they would have to stand in line, because arenas and venues to too small to fit everyone. All she could say was some people leave. Because, she knows he packs them in.
Blaming Trump for the divisiveness is stupid.
For example, it’s 100% crystal clear where the candidates stand on abortion. Trump wants it left at the states. Kamala wants federal control with expanded abortion.
It’s one of the most divisive issues in the country, and ABC chose to focus on it. Even though there’s absolutely nothing to debate at this point. If you’re voting based on abortion policy, you know who you’re voting for. Not saying either side is right or wrong, just that we knew exactly what their positions were going into last night and there was no reason to spend one second of time on it.
Yeah the devisiveness may be more subtle, but it’s stupid to blame Trump. For many other reasons too.
For example, it’s 100% crystal clear where the candidates stand on abortion. Trump wants it left at the states. Kamala wants federal control with expanded abortion.
It’s one of the most divisive issues in the country, and ABC chose to focus on it. Even though there’s absolutely nothing to debate at this point. If you’re voting based on abortion policy, you know who you’re voting for. Not saying either side is right or wrong, just that we knew exactly what their positions were going into last night and there was no reason to spend one second of time on it.
Yeah the devisiveness may be more subtle, but it’s stupid to blame Trump. For many other reasons too.
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I don't think Trump prepared very well for this debate. Don't know if it's his fault, his handlers or whatever. If he sticks to the main issues the country really cares about like cost of living, protecting our borders, making our cities safer, etc. he should wipe the stage with Harris. She's got nothing to counter that.
As a friend of mine has said about Trump, I don't always like the way he swings the club but I like where the ball lands.
As a friend of mine has said about Trump, I don't always like the way he swings the club but I like where the ball lands.
Shit, good point. Let me put up my "Obama's a filthy illegal and Michelle has a dick" poster from the Romney election committee.
Obvious hyperbole, but the man has turned three of my family members into the foulest mouthed people who say the most reprehensible things about other Americans to the point where I struggle to talk to them anymore. I don't talk politics in person (I tend to keep the no politics/religion rule going), so it's hard to fathom why that's all they want to talk about anymore.
Are those stored next to your “Trump is Hitler,” “Trump is a Russian asset,” “Trump had Russian hookers pee on him,” etc. posters?
Again, stupid if you think one side is solely to blame for the divisiveness.
Question for the Kamala supporters in here
Do you think the moderators were objective or do you think they went to bat for her?
Do you think the moderators were objective or do you think they went to bat for her?
Even when you want him to take advantage of an opportunity it's to boast about crowd sizes as if that's going to move the needle on policy.
Perhaps you were kidding though...
The huge age difference probably had something to do with that. Every person slows down over time. I'm 61 and I can tell a difference in the last 10 years.
There isn't a side. Republicans are grifting off of Trump's populism and will dump him in a heartbeat if they get the chance. He's resilient and seemingly incapable of error, so they deal with him. Read where I said TDS cuts both ways above, divisiveness does that.
Republicans and Democrats profit off of his divisiveness so they play into it. I also blame Newt Gingrich and Bill Clinton for the start of modern media politics as well.
Trump is just that on nitro.
If you watched, you realize how long 2 minutes is. Wow! She had plenty of time to lay it out. I missed her investment firm solution. Would love to see that clip.
As to the border, Trump respected the sovereign lines of our country. Maybe YOU don’t build a wall. But, you protect the border and the rule of law. Harris did not and we paid, big time. She made her rounds to various countries, but did next to nothing at the point of attack. They let the problem get so out of control, they can only claim now that there is no real going back, but to make illegal immigration legal.
And, for those saying violence has not resulted, tell that to the hundreds of thousands of families who lost loved ones to fentanyl crossing the border. They may ask you to redefine “violence.”
As to healthcare, Trump’s answer was horrific, but not wrong. The last four years have been such a shit show that Obamacare is not a high priority. The world is a tinderbox, inflation has driven people deep into debt and is causing real struggle for people, and our border is a sieve. As I have mentioned, if you drive a beater, but you need a better job for food and security and a future, you don’t think about replacing the beater until you fix the more pressing problem.
Other side of the same coin.
One of the marked differences between today's left and right to me is the lack of self-awareness on the left. The right recognizes when its own chit stinks; the left never does.
Does a Trump hater count? It's always hard to tell when Trump is debating if they are being fair or not because the moment a moderator interjects about anything it's immediately met with "fake news" or "that's not what I'm hearing". So, when one person is talking about taxes and the other person is talking about culture wars that don't even reflect the question asked, it's hard to say whether they should or should not interject.
The subject matter was pretty even as they did discuss immigration (a Harris weak point) and abortion (a Trump weak point) but they did tend to give more time to Harris' better subjects. That being said, Trump got the majority of mic time and, in spite of rules to limit interruptions, was allow to edge in whenever he wanted to.
Tough to say if anyone will see it one way or another with the biases we have now.
He seemed totally unprepared and unable to string together a narrative about why he is right on his best issues (immigration, inflation). Instead, he just repeated the same hyperbole over and over again.
I thought he was much better in the debates 8 years ago. And he did a ton of them that primary year. Since then, he has had only the one debate against Biden in 20 and the one this June. He is out of practice and unprepared. A bad recipe.
I think your read on how the Republicans (with a capital R) are dealing with Trump is inaccurate. They dumped him long ago, but the voting populace keeps bringing him back.
Republicans and Democrats in Washington are aligned. Kamala Harris touted Dick Cheney’s endorsement at the debate last night.
There are sides. I’m on the opposite side of the people running the Biden admin and Dick Cheney.
It was an opportunity for him to make light of her dumb comment. She encouraged people to go to his rallies to see that people leave. LOL! He should have encouraged them to do just that and said they are welcome. If you think her comment had substance, then that might be our disconnect. 🤷♂️
I'm not following how doing nothing about illegal immigration other than trying to force a border wall is "respecting our sovereign lines". No one wants to do anything about illegal immigration to our country. It's a political football that has been used for years to try to get people hyped up about non-existent problems (they're taking our jobs!). Farming, construction and a myriad of non-skilled physical labor in the US depends on illegal immigration. I hate it because it puts those people in impossible situations but still betters their families lives back home. We have to find a better solution to both problems (temp visas, etc.)
If Trump wanted the border closed, he had 3 years to do it and did nothing. That's not me saying that, that's Chip Roy (R. TX). Illegal immigration has skyrocketed under this administration and they don't seem any more keen on doing anything about it than Trump did.
Neither of them discussed adding more funding for border agencies, training for existing agents and actual effective check points along our border, because neither of them really care about that "problem".
Healthcare is absolutely a huge issue in this country. I'm one cancer diagnosis from bankruptcy and have excellent healthcare and good savings in place. That should not happen anywhere. Half of this country is ravaged by mental illness that goes unchecked and we are seeing the results daily. I'd be open to a Republican solution as Obamacare is an imperfect solution, but have yet to see an actual proposal. He's had 8 years to come up with an answer and is still in the conception phase.
The moderator went back to the question 2-3 times with Trump saying Trump did not answer. Did they EVER do that with Kamala? They asked her about 4-5 tough questions, often summarizing her position before hand or Trump’s to lead her, but she did not answer those questions. They never put her non-answer in her face.
And, Trunp never said it was legal to kill a born baby, yet the moderator interjected her “factcheck” as if he did. The strawman moderator. Thanks!!
There will be razor thin margins in the 5 battleground state's.
A very few(relative) people are going to decide the election.
I would ask you to look at the border crossings during the Trump administration vs the Harris Border Czar period. Under Trump, the border was a concern he was attempting to address. Under Harris, the border was a free for all. Saying Trump did nothing is avoiding the facts.
She hasn't moved to the center. She keeps saying her values haven't changed. All that's changed is her rhetoric temporarily moderating till the election is over. Even Bernie Sanders stated he's fine with her rhetoric to get elected because he knows her true stands. It's all a charade.
THa't was the situation last two rounds. Trump won by some 80k votes spread across 3 states, then lost by some 45k votes spread across 3 states.
But that doesn't mean all the other votes didn't decide the election just as much. Those other votesare what created said situations.
As to healthcare, you are admitting Obamacare is a failure, but saying the most pressing issues according to polling should not take precedence?
Your post sounds like Trump’s answer on that issue.
And, what again was Harris’s answer to your healthcare problem?
She doesn't know what her policies are. The party elites will tell her what to do & she will. Just a puppet.
GA, NC, PA - I don't care what the polls you're seeing online say, the fundamentals in those three states massively favor Trump in this election. And those are the only three he needs.
Perfect example of what I said earlier: some care more about demeanor than policies. And she won on that - my point earlier.
Man, you have to have like the worst fvcking demeanor EVER to lose to Kamala in that department. LOL
Once more, demeanor is what is needed first in a president for some.
Fvckin ay. My parents used to live out in Mallard Point. I never saw a Mallard, but I saw plenty of Canadian Geese, and their poop was a blight. It was everywhere.
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