Cuse gets hammered

[BoulderCat]

Originally posted by TruBluCatFan:

Originally posted by MWes11:
I wouldn't classify this anywhere near to getting hammered.

I guess you didn't think we got hammered back in the 80s either.

A bit OT here, but if you remember when UK made their NCAA run in '92 Packer and other's were saying the sanctions should have been more severe. Some like him were very unhappy with how quickly Rick was able to pick UK basketball up off the floor. 25 years later we still get hammered for it. It will be interesting to see if the media and fans now label Syracuse cheater's for the rest of time. Same for UNC should they get similar.

 

[nookam]

Will Coach K keep him on as Team USA Asst?

 

[TruBluCatFan]

Originally posted by BoulderCat:

Originally posted by TruBluCatFan:

Originally posted by MWes11:
I wouldn't classify this anywhere near to getting hammered.

I guess you didn't think we got hammered back in the 80s either.

A bit OT here, but if you remember when UK made their NCAA run in '92 Packer and other's were saying the sanctions should have been more severe. Some like him were very unhappy with how quickly Rick was able to pick UK basketball up off the floor. 25 years later we still get hammered for it. It will be interesting to see if the media and fans now label Syracuse cheater's for the rest of time. Same for UNC should they get similar.

Yeah but Ol Billy hated us anyway. I think everyone was surprised Rick turned it around as quickly as he did. Pretty amazing to look at it in hindsight.

 

[katwest]

Remember, Mr Magoo don't give a damn what people think.

 

[Smashcat]

Two Thumbs Up To CBS' Dennis Dodd for Forthrightness


Dennis Dodd þ@dennisdoddcbs 47m47 minutes ago

Looking at public report, Syracuse has been running a rogue program for the better part of the last 15 years.

 

[Smashcat]

Re: Two Thumbs Up To CBS' Dennis Dodd for Forthrightness


Dakich deserves an attaboy too.

Dan Dakich @dandakich · 58m 58 minutes ago



Do you think the NCAA was so mad at UNC they punished Syracuse??

 

[Roe07]

Pete Thamel has released a statement...

"The transgressions in the Syracuse University athletic department, particularly as they relate to the men's basketball program, are a direct result of John Calipari and the unfair recruiting advantage he's created since his arrival at the University of Kentucky. John has created an environment that lures most of the top high school prospects in the country to Lexington, knowing that they only have to stay in school for a year before bolting for the NBA the following summer, making an absolute mockery of what college athletics and student athletes should stand for. This monopoly created by Coach Cal has made it extremely difficult for other top programs to compete at the highest level. I simply can't fault Jim Boeheim, or any other Division 1 coach for that matter, for failing to monitor his program under these circumstances. Winning is ultimately what matters at this level of sport, and Jim only did (or didn't do) what he felt was in the best interest of the program to keep it competitive amongst the elite programs of college basketball. Syracuse basketball will recover from this and come back better than ever and the reputation of Coach Boeheim shall never be tarnished. The real culprits here are John Calipari and the University of Kentucky basketball program. They have destroyed college basketball and in my opinion the NCAA should take a real hard look at what's going on in Lexington before John Calipari's actions have any further negative effects on the other top programs of the sport. GO ORANGE!"

This post was edited on 3/6 2:16 PM by Roe07

 

[dezyDeco]

Re: Two Thumbs Up To CBS' Dennis Dodd for Forthrightness


One would almost think that the NCAA might finally do something to UNC****... almost.

 

[preacherfan]

Originally posted by Roe07:
Pete Thamel has released a statement...

"The transgressions in the Syracuse University athletic department, particularly as they relate to the men's basketball program, are a direct result of John Calipari and the unfair recruiting advantage he's created since his arrival at the University of Kentucky. John has created an environment in Lexington that lures most of the top high school prospects in the country to Lexington, knowing that they only have to stay in school for a year before bolting for the NBA the following summer, making an absolute mockery of what college athletics and student athletes should stand for. This monopoly created by Coach Cal has made it extremely difficult for other top programs to compete at the highest level. I simply can't fault Jim Boeheim, or any other Division 1 coach for that matter, for failing to monitor his program under these circumstances. Winning is ultimately what matters at this level of sport, and Jim only did (or didn't do) what he felt was in the best interest of the program to keep it competitive amongst the elite programs of college basketball. Syracuse basketball will recover from this and come back better than ever and the reputation of Coach Boeheim shall never be tarnished. The real culprits here are John Calipari and the University of Kentucky basketball program. They have destroyed college basketball and in my opinion the NCAA should take a real hard look at what's going on in Lexington before John Calipari's actions have any further negative effects on the other top programs of the sport. GO ORANGE!"

Well done!

 

[Smashcat]

Re: Two Thumbs Up To CBS' Dennis Dodd for Forthrightness

Originally posted by dezyDeco:

One would almost think that the NCAA might finally do something to UNC****... almost.

We shall see. I remain hopeful but not convinced.

 

[Waterview Catfan]

Re: Two Thumbs Up To CBS' Dennis Dodd for Forthrightness

Dakich and I think alike. And I just upchucked when I read that.

 

[UK3Pointer]

Originally posted by Roe07:
Pete Thamel has released a statement...

"The transgressions in the Syracuse University athletic department, particularly as they relate to the men's basketball program, are a direct result of John Calipari and the unfair recruiting advantage he's created since his arrival at the University of Kentucky. John has created an environment that lures most of the top high school prospects in the country to Lexington, knowing that they only have to stay in school for a year before bolting for the NBA the following summer, making an absolute mockery of what college athletics and student athletes should stand for. This monopoly created by Coach Cal has made it extremely difficult for other top programs to compete at the highest level. I simply can't fault Jim Boeheim, or any other Division 1 coach for that matter, for failing to monitor his program under these circumstances. Winning is ultimately what matters at this level of sport, and Jim only did (or didn't do) what he felt was in the best interest of the program to keep it competitive amongst the elite programs of college basketball. Syracuse basketball will recover from this and come back better than ever and the reputation of Coach Boeheim shall never be tarnished. The real culprits here are John Calipari and the University of Kentucky basketball program. They have destroyed college basketball and in my opinion the NCAA should take a real hard look at what's going on in Lexington before John Calipari's actions have any further negative effects on the other top programs of the sport. GO ORANGE!"

This post was edited on 3/6 2:16 PM by Roe07

The reality is that your satire is probably not far off the truth in terms of the view many will take of the situation...

This post was edited on 3/6 2:39 PM by UK3Pointer

 

[Lumpy 2]

"The NCAA said several violations involved students and staff. The report added that academic violations stemmed from the director of basketball operations, who was hand-picked by Boeheim to address academic matters." If I was a UNC fan that part of the report would make me very nervous. They could have written the same thing about Roy and Wayne Walden.

 

[On-On-UK]

Kentucky's been clean for over 25 years, yet we're the dirtiest
program ever.

Sheesh...

 

[drbubba]

Re: Does Boeheim have too forfeit wins too? If so how many will he have now?

If Boeheim and SU have any dignity left, he'll resign. Expect him back. Plus, no one else really wants the job. I'm shocked he gets 9 games when compared to Pearl and Kelvin Sampson. He should be gone.

 

[docholiday51]

Re: No vacated 03 Championship for The Cuse


Should titles be vacated? Yes,there is no doubt that should happen,but it reflects so badly on college basketball and the NCAAT,it is a messy situation. UNC deserves to have them taken down,so does UCLA in the 60's and 70's, probably UNLV and a few more

If you take away wins then the titles associated with those wins have to go as well.The Syracuse decision of today danced around that issue,that probably won't be possible in the UNC case(if the NCAA acts in accordance with what they did today)
A similar decision on UNC issues will change the landscape and history of college basketball,their cheating rises to such a level that I think such action is warranted.

 

[Bluest Member]

Originally posted by GridCats:

Lot going on with so many schools being accused right now. Might not be a good idea to want so much damage done to them, we know most of the country wants to see the Cat's go down. Bad Karma is a *****!

Nothing illegal going on at Kentucky to worry about Karma


UL is a different story,with all the crap UL Fans spew and the coverups and cheaters they hire,it's a matter of time before UL gets caught

 

[Sonny2blue]

Why does Boehiem only get 9 games, but Bruce Pearl gets a year or two?

 

[Neue Regel]

Re: No vacated 03 Championship for The Cuse


I thought you couldn't go back more than 5 years in penalty situations?

 

[Kiimohawk]

Re: No vacated 03 Championship for The Cuse

But we already hung the Honorary Champions banner in Allen.

 

[preacherfan]

Re: No vacated 03 Championship for The Cuse

Originally posted by Neue Regel:

I thought you couldn't go back more than 5 years in penalty situations?

The exception is when the cheating was continuous. That is why they originally hammered PSU for years and years.

If we find out that Billy G cheated at UK but Cal discontinued it, the NCAA could not go back and hammer us for what happened under Billy.

 

[Neue Regel]

Re: No vacated 03 Championship for The Cuse

Originally posted by preacherfan:

Originally posted by Neue Regel:

I thought you couldn't go back more than 5 years in penalty situations?

The exception is when the cheating was continuous. That is why they originally hammered PSU for years and years.

If we find out that Billy G cheated at UK but Cal discontinued it, the NCAA could not go back and hammer us for what happened under Billy.

Oh ok, that makes more sense then. Thanks Preach!

 

[Chuckinden]

Re: Does Boeheim have too forfeit wins too? If so how many will he have now?

Originally posted by drbubba:
If Boeheim and SU have any dignity left, he'll resign. Expect him back. Plus, no one else really wants the job. I'm shocked he gets 9 games when compared to Pearl and Kelvin Sampson. He should be gone.

SU should fire him immediately.

 

[docholiday51]

Re: No vacated 03 Championship for The Cuse

Originally posted by Neue Regel:

I thought you couldn't go back more than 5 years in penalty situations?

It seems I have heard that also but the Syracuse decision appears to do so.I didn't mean to imply that UCLA or UNLV titles were any part of the conversation of today.I only used those as examples of how the taking down of a title would change history.The UNC situation has gone on for so many years it is not reasonable to have a 5 year limit.

 

[LowCountryCat]

Re: No vacated 03 Championship for The Cuse

Originally posted by MdWIldcat55:
It will be harder to keep UNC's 04-05 championship banner, and maybe the 2000 FF banner.

Read what the NCAA said about Syracuse for the years that wins WERE forfeited: Among other issues are a couple papers being written for athletes that THERE IS NO PROOF THE ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT KNEW ABOUT. That is nothing compared to the grades UNC basketballers got -- and we know 05 was a particularly egregious year from the Wainstein report. That's the year Rashad McCants made the dean's list with four As -- all in AFAM classes. He now says he never went to any of the classes. Every player on that team had AFAM grades that were questionable.

As for 2000, we've seen the transcript of Julius Peppers, who played on that Final Four basketball team. No way he was eligible without AFAM grades in classes that we now know never met.

Really, when you compare what the Syracuse players did, it is shop lifting. UNC is robbing banks with machine guns.

There was no proof the AD knew about Derrick Rose's SAT score either, but that didn't stop Memphis from being crushed.

 

[preacherfan]

Re: No vacated 03 Championship for The Cuse

Originally posted by Neue Regel:






The exception is when the cheating was continuous. That is why they originally hammered PSU for years and years.

If we find out that Billy G cheated at UK but Cal discontinued it, the NCAA could not go back and hammer us for what happened under Billy.






Oh ok, that makes more sense then. Thanks Preach!

Let me make a correction to my post. It isn't just "continuous" but "willful violations" that can cause the NCAA to go back further. Here is the quote from the Miami case:




The NCAA told Miami administrators that, in light of allegations made by a former Hurricanes booster, it will consider invoking its "willful violators" clause and make an exception to the four-year statute of limitations on violations, Yahoo! Sports reported Thursday night.







The NCAA's four-year statute of limitations doesn't apply when there is a pattern of willful violations that continues into the past four years. In the Miami case, the NCAA could investigate back to early 2002, which is when former booster Nevin Shapiro, now serving 20 years in federal prison for his role in a $930 million Ponzi scheme, alleged in a Yahoo! Sports article this week that he began providing Hurricanes players with cash, prostitutes, cars and other gifts.
This post was edited on 3/6 3:29 PM by preacherfan

 

[Zakk Wyldcat]

Re: No vacated 03 Championship for The Cuse

The NCAA will NEVER strip its champion of a title. Don't want the 'Champion' line to read 'VACATED'. Final Four, maybe, not a championship.

 

[KMKAT]

Originally posted by Roe07:
Pete Thamel has released a statement...

"The transgressions in the Syracuse University athletic department, particularly as they relate to the men's basketball program, are a direct result of John Calipari and the unfair recruiting advantage he's created since his arrival at the University of Kentucky. John has created an environment that lures most of the top high school prospects in the country to Lexington, knowing that they only have to stay in school for a year before bolting for the NBA the following summer, making an absolute mockery of what college athletics and student athletes should stand for. This monopoly created by Coach Cal has made it extremely difficult for other top programs to compete at the highest level. I simply can't fault Jim Boeheim, or any other Division 1 coach for that matter, for failing to monitor his program under these circumstances. Winning is ultimately what matters at this level of sport, and Jim only did (or didn't do) what he felt was in the best interest of the program to keep it competitive amongst the elite programs of college basketball. Syracuse basketball will recover from this and come back better than ever and the reputation of Coach Boeheim shall never be tarnished. The real culprits here are John Calipari and the University of Kentucky basketball program. They have destroyed college basketball and in my opinion the NCAA should take a real hard look at what's going on in Lexington before John Calipari's actions have any further negative effects on the other top programs of the sport. GO ORANGE!"

This post was edited on 3/6 2:16 PM by Roe07

Roe, I couldn't get past the first sentence without coughing up a lung!

 

[preacherfan]

Re: No vacated 03 Championship for The Cuse

Originally posted by Zakk Wyldcat:
The NCAA will NEVER strip its champion of a title. Don't want the 'Champion' line to read 'VACATED'. Final Four, maybe, not a championship.

We will find out for sure when they release the punishment for UNC***. If they don't vacate for that, they never will.

 

[CrazyCarl69]

Re: No vacated 03 Championship for The Cuse

Self-depricating (pun intended)

 

[drbubba]

Well, now the ESPN crawl says Boeheim is appealing. I find him somewhat revolting myself...In any case, he'll lose the appeal and resign. He's a legend at SU, so he can't be fired.

 

[Blueblood22]

Re: Does Boeheim have too forfeit wins too? If so how many will he have now?

Wonder why Pete Thamel didn't uncover all this?

 

[CatInKansas]

Originally posted by WACB:

Five years of probation from March 6, 2015 through March 5, 2020.Vacation of all wins in which ineligible men's basketball students played in 2004-05, 2005-06, 2006-07, 2010-11 and 2011-12 and ineligible football students played in 2004-05, 2005-06 and 2006-07. The public decision contains additional details.Fine of $500 per contest played by ineligible students.The school must return to the NCAA all funds it has received to date through the former Big East Conference revenue sharing for its appearances in the 2011, 2012 and 2013 NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament.Suspension of the head basketball coach from the first nine conference games of 2015-16.Reduction of men's basketball scholarships by three for the 2015-16, 2016-17, 2017-18 and 2018-19 academic years. If the school has already executed scholarship offers for the 2015-16 year, the school may begin the four-year penalty with the 2016-17 year.Reduction in the number of permissible off-campus recruiters from four to two during June 1, 2015 through May 31, 2017.The panel also accepted the school's self-imposed postseason ban for the 2014-15 season, but noted that self-imposition of penalties after the conclusion of infractions hearings does not influence the outcome.Additional self-imposed penalties can be found in the public decision.

WOW. Thanks for the thorough summary.

 

[ColonelCat]

Question? What if he is not the Head BB Coach next year? Does that mean that the new coach is suspended for those 9 games? It said "Head B.B Coach suspended for 1st 9 conference games in 2015-16".

 

[GridCats]

"Nothing illegal going on at Kentucky to worry about Karma"


Let's all hope so anyway. I'm sure Cuse, UNC, Kansas and others thought they were find too. I feel the Cat's are their big target and we all know how most other fan's feel too.

 

[benlev22]

Re: No vacated 03 Championship for The Cuse

Originally posted by Zakk Wyldcat:
The NCAA will NEVER strip its champion of a title. Don't want the 'Champion' line to read 'VACATED'. Final Four, maybe, not a championship.

2004 USC?

 

[AFSTALLION13]

"...because most of the violations occurred before the NCAA installed its new penalty structure last year, it didn't have to face a harsher punishment that could have included a full season suspension for Boeheim and a two-year postseason ban."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/acc/2015/03/06/analysis-syracuse-ncaa-violations-punishment-jim-boeheim/24504733/

 

[Zakk Wyldcat]

Re: No vacated 03 Championship for The Cuse

Originally posted by benlev22:

Originally posted by Zakk Wyldcat:
The NCAA will NEVER strip its champion of a title. Don't want the 'Champion' line to read 'VACATED'. Final Four, maybe, not a championship.

2004 USC?

BCS, not an official NCAA champion.

 

[LmdCat]

I would imagine that ole Roy is fighting back tears about now thinking about what is coming his way. Heck at least Cuse self reported while UNC attempted to destroy the lives of those who fingered them. The NCAA has to come down a lot harder on UNC.

 

[UK3Pointer]

Originally posted by ColonelCat:
Question? What if he is not the Head BB Coach next year? Does that mean that the new coach is suspended for those 9 games? It said "Head B.B Coach suspended for 1st 9 conference games in 2015-16".

That is a penalty that is specific to him individually, follows him, and does not adhere to the school.