Curt Cignetti V Jon Sumrall v Someone else
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It was mine until this year. I just feel like it’s time for something new. At this point, he’s not any better than Brooks. I don’t have wild expectations, but I do expect to put a team in the field that doesn’t lose the games we’ve been losing and doesn’t have the most vanilla offense.
At this point I’m fine with doing a fan poll of A&M fans and let them pick. They did a good job picking their coach last year
Just nobody from the Stoops coaching staff. I want a clean slate whenever the time comes. No ties to the previous coaching staff to linger over to the next era.
Give Sumrall a shot. A young and hungry alumni who would never leave us. Cignetti is doing wonders at a school like Indiana, but would rather take Sumrall who would be here a lot longer.
I don’t understand the thought that a Cignetti wouldn’t come to Kentucky. We are paying Stoops the ninth highest salary in the country. That is enough money to pull Cignetti from Indiana.
Can't fault Kentucky if they were to go after Jon Sumrall when he is widely viewed as one of the top up and coming coaches in College Football. It is the smart thing to do. Young enough that if he succeeds, could be here 15-20 years and bring some stability to the Kentucky Football program after the Stoops Era. Sumrall coming back to UK is my preference. If not, find the next Cignetti waiting for his opportunity at a bigger program.
Not in a million years. He'll either try to go to a blueblood or see if he can make Indiana into a blueblood. There is no third door, and certainly not here.
The more i thought about it, this is the scenario we need to play out: stoops retire but take an administrative position of sorts and we hire summrall.
This lets stoops stay attached around so we can all appreciate the amazing things he did here plus keep intact all the good infrastructure he has in place and key assistants.
Hire summrall. Ya cignatti is the better coach but summrall has the much better chance to be here long term. He can keep some key assistants and utilize the recruiting and early ID infrastructure stoops created.
This lets stoops stay attached around so we can all appreciate the amazing things he did here plus keep intact all the good infrastructure he has in place and key assistants.
Hire summrall. Ya cignatti is the better coach but summrall has the much better chance to be here long term. He can keep some key assistants and utilize the recruiting and early ID infrastructure stoops created.
Do you really want someone long term in this day and age in NIL? Not sure that continuity matters so much any more. You need someone that can bring in the key talent... plan and execute a dynamic qb friendly offense... hire a good defensive coordinator, and raise money for NIL. Coaches probably get stale after 7 or 8 years. Think of most NFL scenarios.
I cant imagine a scenario where we prefer a good short term coach over good long term coach.
Also the neverending obsession with mumme ball/passing offense needs to end. Hire the best Coach.
No coincidence pretty much every top tier cfb coach the last 20 years was a defensive minded guy. Spurrier and urban meyer weee the exceptions but as the game caught up even they won games on defense. Plus those two had major discipline issues that went ignored.
The best combo for us is a defensive hc and an adaptive oc. We cant recruit well enough to recruit to a system. So if we don't get an adaptive oc, we're just trading one problem for another.
Kelly, Meyer, Jimbo, Dabo, Meyer, Harbaugh, Day, Sark, Kif, Drink…
Cristobal…DA U is back, no coincidence with an offensive guy.
Pruitt, Muschamp, Strong, Chizik, Orgeron…great DCs got booted. Two of them won titles with exceptional QB/offensive skill talent but dropped off…
Dave Aranda, remember him? Was setting the world on fire as DC…top of a lot of lists. Probably be looking for a gig shortly. Took over a program that had been on the map largely do to offense and offense coaches. Struggling now.
Keep an eye on Venables, actually really like him and think he’s a good coach but at the high end P2 level I’m not sure he’s going to be able to keep up.
I’m not saying there aren’t plenty of good-great DC HCs out there, I’m saying their margin for error in this era of football is slim.
It’s not so much about just calling pass plays, or even being pass heavy, as it is developing more than just a run game.
Stoops’ issue isn’t that he’s a DC it’s that he cannot develop offense. From recruitment of skill talent to developing it. He hasn’t been able to put together a staff that can do it either.
The DCs that make it from here on out will be more than likely younger guys like Lanning who have come up in an era where running into butts and bumping tits isn’t enough. Guys who have been cutting their teeth in an offensive and passing era. So they staff accordingly and then back off.
I mentioned meyer. The rest of that part of the post is a strawman argument. I didn't say all defensive hcs are good. I said the best ones are defensive. Thats a major difference.
Of the offensive list, only harbaugh was doing reasonably well the last 5-8 years but even he is focused entirely on defense and running the ball. Interesting you put drink on the list because he was on his way out until he embraced the run game and disciplined play.
Really, disciplined play and program is the key. Just so happens defensive minded coaches are stronger there.
About the offense:
Our brand is physical football and pa pass. Thats what we can recruit in ky and oh and thats what we're good at. Instead of constantly pining for throwing the ball, embrace our ID. When we played that way this season, we look pretty decent. When we don't, we look awful.
We need an oc that focuses there but can adapt to our skill players and someone who can overcome a talent deficiency. We don't recruit well enough to have a set system and we will almost always face an opponent with more talent.
The issue with gran was perception especially fan perception. That and his loyalty to a sh1thead qb coach.
Today's football isn't the same as football 10 years,ago, people want to see points scored. Even here when UK was winning low scoring games it was almost like many would be happier losing high scoring games. Rules passed for safety helped the offense, relaxed rules for OL holding all led to more offensive numbers. The saddest bet would be an offensive minded coach. Same in BB, people want to see the big moves, lots of points, so traveling, palming the ball, even 3 seconds have become a thing of the past.
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