So answer the other part of my post. Would you prefer watching a product on the floor where a guy like AD, Wall and KAT stayed 3 or 4 years?
College basketball is no more.
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Sure.
However, UK wouldn't get half the talent they do if there was a 3-year requirement.
Also, do you remember the late 90's and early 2000's when the top 5-10 recruits just skipped college all together? We could go back to that, and then UK would've never had Wall, Cousins, Towns, Davis, etc...
I'd also like my salary to double with no increase in hours or responsibility
Well I'm 40 years old born in Kentucky live in Ohio now. I like to fish, play guitar, go to church, spend time with my wife and kids. Etc
The premise of the OP's point (and mine) throughout this thread is that we miss the days of guys staying 3 and 4 years. Why people are so against that thought process is crazy to me. I get that UK wouldn't get 5 and 6 top guys every year, but they would get a few studs every year. And those studs would stay 3 and 4 years.
And yes, I do remember when guys were going straight to the draft. With the way college basketball has transitioned over the past 20 years to guys leaving early. I am in a minority that I wish they would institute a modified baseball rule and still let guys go straight the draft. Everyone on here preaches about how they think guys should leave after 1 year if they have the ability to play in the NBA, but on the other hand they don't think guys should go straight out of high school. Doesn't make any sense to me. If a team wants to draft a high school kid, let them do it. Let that kid start making a living on his abilities from the get go and not delay it for a year.
I think most of us think they could change the rule.
However, I don't necessarily think it would apply the same as it did in the 90's.
If they dropped the 1-year requirement, I think you would see even more guys skip college and that would give a lot more steam to an organization wanting to develop another developmental league or re-vamp the D-league even more.
In the end, I think college basketball would lose a lot more than people think simply because the college option/getting a degree is not as valuable today.
Not when you can jump on a limited money-making window and go get a college degree online later if you want.
Who you remember or how you remember them has ZERO bearing or impact on college bball being better or worse now. Literally zero.
So, that's a yes?
It's an NBA rule, they're gonna do what they want. They don't want kids out of high school so they have to come to college. And, really, I'd rather have top talent around for one year rather than none, or have situations where you recruit kids thinking you're set and then they enter the draft leaving a hole in your roster.
Why don't you go cheer for another team since your so disgusted with UK? You won't be missed.
The premise of the OP's point is that college basketball is dead and broken because his feelings are hurt that Humphries is leaving.
But even to your point, and this is going to sound unintentionally harsh, so? I mean, even if we grant you that we miss those days, they aren't coming back, and whining won't change anything, so...so what? We just start 400 threads every offseason complaining about how it isn't as good?
I enjoyed this year. I've really enjoyed the last 8 years. I actually enjoyed them a lot more than I did when we weren't as good. I'd rather know good players for a year than marginal ones for four.
Look Grandma you are a Poo Woo Doo Doo. Who are you to talk about Kentucky that way. I've never been so insulted in all my life. How could you say that about Cal and our team. You have to be a UNC or Loserville Troll. Why do you hate UK soooooo Bad. Your always putting our team down and our coach. Do you have any evidence for what you are contemplating. In closing please take you Poo Doo and go home little girl. I'm really worked up right now and I don't want to talk to you anymore. $@*^&^*. Somebody get me a bud before I waste away to nothing. I'm Melting, I'm Melting. I will hang up now and listen to your replies.
Didn't realize I was whining. I think it's an interesting topic to debate, so that's the reason I post about it in this thread.
Many on this board automatically jump to the conclusion that if you liked when guys stayed 3 and 4 years you must want Tubby or BCG back or a team full of guys like Ramon Harris. when in reality we just enjoyed watching and connecting with star players during their entire career and not just for a single season.
I've enjoyed Cala success too and in the landscape of big time college basketball today, I wouldn't want anyone else leading our program. I haven't enjoyed our success any less, I just enjoy when your stud comes in for 3 and 4 years and you follow their growth at UK instead of some NBA team.
People talk about the past on here all the time, I enjoy those conversations and debates.
College basketball will always have an appeal due to the history and loyalties cultivated over decades, but the actual product is pretty terrible. The gulf between college basketball and NBA basketball has never been bigger. Part of that is the talent drain, but the NBA has done a wonderful job creating a better sport over the last 15 or so years through rule changes. College basketball, meanwhile, suffers from unpreventable problems (the players are just not as good or experienced) and preventable problems (refereeing, charge/block terribleness, holding the Final Four in a football stadium, overly physical post play, etc...). April is always a bittersweet time of year for me. On the one hand, the college season is over. On the other, I feel liberated to stop watching terribly executed basketball and start watching well-executed basketball - the NBA playoffs.
That's a completely irrelevant question, because it's NEVER going to happen.
And wait and see- there's going to be a push against the age rules that allow college football to keep its best for 3 years. You're seeing the best guys only play 3, with no redshirt, guys skipping bowl games after they declare for the draft, and elite draft prospects contemplating not playing a full season to wait for their draft eligibility.
I don't think it's completely irrelevant since that was the premise of my post and that's exactly what used to happen. I was talking about how I enjoyed college basketball when guys like Shaq stayed 3 years and Mourning stayed 4 years and people were questioning why I think it was better then. Guys like AD, Wall and KAT stayed multiple years then, therefore i asked the question.
he wasn't going to play ahead of bamba next year, and he wasn't going to play ahead of bagley or moses brown or naz reid or whoever comes in the next class
developed in his two years here, and he's moving on
as with briscoe, seems like the element that ridiculed him is now most vociferously outraged about his departure
developed in his two years here, and he's moving on
as with briscoe, seems like the element that ridiculed him is now most vociferously outraged about his departure
Going to college is almost a scam anymore unless you are going to go be a doctor or lawyer or something. If I was giving the choice to play/shoot basketball every day, workout, and make money I'd take that in a heartbeat.
Really... these are just tears because I was lied too when I was 18 and was thinking computers was the greatest thing to jump into in 2005 and could make bank (Don't even graze 50k a year).
Really... these are just tears because I was lied too when I was 18 and was thinking computers was the greatest thing to jump into in 2005 and could make bank (Don't even graze 50k a year).
You have nothing to offer to this conversation. You're getting worked up? Maybe you should go back and read my original post. It's the first one. I'm not a guy who likes the idea of the OAD. You do. Who cares?At least put some sort of intelligible counter point instead of a bunch of symbols that are supposed to represent a cuz word. By the way you condradict your reply by telling me that you don't want to listen to me and then tell me your hanging up to listen to my reply.
Let me guess, you're an all or nothing kind of guy? Because, if so, you'll perpetually be disappointed. You choose to follow a team, if you're really a UK fan, that has lead the charge to change the paradigm. If 30+ wins each year with a CHANCE to win it all isn't enough, you may be right, you may just need to stop watching college basketball.
I've been a UK for over 40 years, and Cal has considerably enhanced my UK fan experience.
He's done it in two ways - first, recruiting is immensely gratifying and entertaining to follow under Cal. Joe B. Hall was probably the best recruiter before Cal, but even he couldn't touch what Cal is doing.
Secondly, I actually follow and am interested in the NBA nowadays because there are so many ex-UK players. Before Cal, there was very little UK presence in the pros.
If you are a UK fan and totally uninterested in recruiting or the NBA, all I can say is at least try to enjoy the excitement of getting to know and discover an almost totally different team and new players every year. I'm already looking forward to seeing kids like Quade, Vando, PJ, etc. wearing the Kentucky uniform next year.
He's done it in two ways - first, recruiting is immensely gratifying and entertaining to follow under Cal. Joe B. Hall was probably the best recruiter before Cal, but even he couldn't touch what Cal is doing.
Secondly, I actually follow and am interested in the NBA nowadays because there are so many ex-UK players. Before Cal, there was very little UK presence in the pros.
If you are a UK fan and totally uninterested in recruiting or the NBA, all I can say is at least try to enjoy the excitement of getting to know and discover an almost totally different team and new players every year. I'm already looking forward to seeing kids like Quade, Vando, PJ, etc. wearing the Kentucky uniform next year.
Good grief. Does anyone comprehend anymore? At what point did I say in my Original Post that I was going to stop watching. I'll watch because I'm a uk fan but I like the idea of guys sticking around building a team. If you read my original post you'd notice that I said Cal is doing the right way under the current format, doesn't mean I like it. Wow
I don't think you understand player development at all. You think we get all thses top guys who are automatic pros...true some of them are, but alot of them are top 25 recruits who develop at a much higher rate. You want 5 stars to stick around for 3 or 4 years but those who stay like that ate guys who don't contribute at all their first couple years...thats why they stayed. Cal is getting kids to play at a high level at a much faster rate. So you have a freshman playing like upper classmen. The best case is UNC justin Jackson, Joel berry, etc were top 15 recruits...it took them this year to finally be contributers...where as UK freshman are alreasy playing at that level by the end of year 1. Booker, Bledsoe, etc wouldn't have been one and done at another school...tget wouldn't gave developed as fast. And if your under some fantasy that a kid can play at a high level in year one is going to just stick around that's selfish...or if you want a kid who sucks his first couple years then plays well...whats really the difference if he only plays well that 1 year.
An assembly line worker for GM helps generate millions and millions of dollars too, and they get a tiny fraction of that. The players get a free education. If it could be worked out that they are allowed to get a small piece too, then I'm not averse to that, but this whole business about them being exploited is hogwash. They know the system and if they don't take advantage of the free education, that's on them. Many of them are making millions because that's what they earned.
I don't expect 5 star guys to stick around 3 and 4 years. Guys should go pro when they think they are ready to go pro. I do miss the days when all 5 star type players stayed 3 and 4 years across college basketball, but I realize times have changed and that's not a reality anymore. I think you took what i said out of context. I am not speaking about todays game with these guys sticking around, i am talking about how much more I enjoyed college basketball when these type of guys did stay 32 and 4 years.
We get what you are saying but your argument/desires are moot. Unless the NBA changes their eligibility rules, the top guys are going to be one-and-done far more often than not. Either learn to deal with it or find something else to watch. We're not going back to the days when a player like Boogie or AD or KAT will stay 4 years.
1) An assembly line worker does not generate millions and millions of dollars for GM. They are paid what the market dictates they are worth. That's basic economics.
2) College athletes, especially the elite ones, are literally worth tens of millions of dollars (if not more) to their universities. They are unpaid, except for a college scholarship which has no guaranteed value. It only becomes valuable if it can be used to obtain a lucrative job. That is exploitation and should be illegal.
3) What alternatives do college athletes have? Basketball players are beginning to have more, which will absolutely lead to the slow death of college basketball. College football players literally virtually no alternatives to play after high school besides college. College football players are beyond exploited. I can't believe it's still legal to be honest.
4) College athletics are a great deal for the less talented players in non-revenue sports. For basketball and football players, it's absolutely exploitation. Not sure how you can even argue against that.
You know what? Good riddance. We've watched UK get screwed for decades and corrupt officials and a completely bogus notion of amateurism rob kids of money they earn. I love UK, but I hate college athletics I hope it dies a slow death.
Sigh. The same way ONE college player doesn't generate millions either. The point I was responding to was college players generate millions for the school, and don't get paid. The cost of a 4 yr degree is comparable to what some of these asembly workers would make in 4 yrs. Thought that was pretty clear in my post.
Also, you think it should be illegal for schools to have athletes that aren't paid commensurate to the revenue they bring in? Please lay out how that would work. I'm sure you have some ready made algorithm to work out the portion each player would get, as well as the lower revenue-generating sports. Let me guess, Bernie supporter?
Didn't read all the comments, but I'll say this. I hate the one and done rule, it is the reason Cal doesn't have more titles at UK. He's a hell of a coach.
Make it a 2 year rule and Cal would need to grow more hands to have the ability to wear all the rings he would accumulate.
Every other team in the country gets to keep their core players for 3-4 years, yet they aren't winning like Cal is, I know they don't have the talent that Cal gets, but they still have very good players with a lot of experience. To me, you can't replace experience when it counts…. The NCAA tournament. Our 12 team won because they had a little bit of experience and a couple of players that were more than just great, they were incredible. This game is hard.
I wish the NCAA would change the rule to something like football or baseball, but I doubt they will.
Make it a 2 year rule and Cal would need to grow more hands to have the ability to wear all the rings he would accumulate.
Every other team in the country gets to keep their core players for 3-4 years, yet they aren't winning like Cal is, I know they don't have the talent that Cal gets, but they still have very good players with a lot of experience. To me, you can't replace experience when it counts…. The NCAA tournament. Our 12 team won because they had a little bit of experience and a couple of players that were more than just great, they were incredible. This game is hard.
I wish the NCAA would change the rule to something like football or baseball, but I doubt they will.
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