Oh I’m sure we’ll get more players than this year back for sure. It’s just no guarantee who that will be
Colin chandler just a reminder
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Chandler reminds me of Richie Saunders, another Pope's player.Hope he can be as good as Saunders in Year 3 or Year 4.
I expect a big sophomore season from Chandler. He has two things in his favor: 1.) an insatiable desire to work hard and get better everyday, 2,) a rooted concept of who he is as a human, beyond the game of basketball. That’s the makings of someone who can handle the big moments and can trust their work in practice. Don’t fall out of your seats if Chandler is the starting shooting guard this year — I don’t think he’s backing down from the challenge of earning it.
Whether you call it that or not, it is. 7 games out of a nearly 40 game season is the definition of small sample size. Btw, so is 23 attempts. Idk what you’re predicting, but you said Brea numbers. Those are literally Brea’s numbers. I’d say Chandler getting there is somewhere between highly unlikely and nearly impossible.
I like his game. I really do. But I’ll be shocked if he’s there yet. The dude hardly touched a ball for two yrs. It takes time and game reps. Those seven games were evidence to me he could actually earn a rotation spot. What they weren’t evidence of is him going from unplayable for 30 games to Kobe Brea or all-SEC the very next season. It’s not nearly as easy as some of you keyboard all-stars make it out to be.
If he’s the starting 2 guard, we aren’t going to be as good as I think we will be.
Jasper is a rock solid 5 star top 20 player in a very solid and deep class. Chandler was a top 40 4 star in what has been called the weakest HS class in the 2000s. And Chandler sat out for two years. That’s a huge thing. If Chandler is in front of Jasper, Jasper isn’t as good as a lot think he is.
Our guys don't have man boobs. I'm going to say it's...chilly nipples.
Which is a great name for a rock band.
And Chandler is older/more mature, he also has a year of college basketball under his belt at UK, under CMP,. To me, those are huge advantages he has over JJ.
Also, HS rankings have proved 1 thing over the years, they're unreliable.
no, just a joke; sometimes I'm the only one that finds them funny
What if he’s better than you expected? We don’t know who will emerge this summer
He was very highly rated out of high school. I’d say he was living up to his potential rather than lightning in a bottle.
This is all conjecture though. Is Chandler's 'insatiable desire to work hard' greater than that of other players? I haven't read or heard that. Taking two years off, regardless of the reason, doesn't really speak to that.
Secondly, the life aspect could work against him as well. Complacency can set in if one is happy or satisfied.
I'm not saying this is Chandler, but your post could mean or lead to the direct opposite of what you say.
Any discussion about players’ future performance is conjecture lol. Wanna have a thread where no one offers an opinion and we keep talking about how a player shot 78.4% from the free throw line last season? lol conjecture
He's a white guy, so that automatically means he's not as good, in the eyes of some. Hate to say stuff like that, but it's the truth.
I’d agree on that had Chandler not sat out two years. For whatever reason, folks in here seem to think it’s just an easy thing to return to form. Those last seven games were WAY better, but it’s really hard to say he “turned the corner”. There’s a big leap between what he did the last seven games and even being a regular rotation player, let alone some of the sky high predictions on here.
What about the first 30 games? See what I mean? And I get what you’re going to say, he didn’t play for two yrs. Yes. True. But he basically showed zero signs of improvement for 30ish games and then finished with those seven games, which btw, one or two of them weren’t good performances but rather in that hand picked sample size everyone wants to refer to. I think the expectation should be tampered just a tad. Hope he’s good enough to be in the rotation. Figure out how to be a consistent contributor. Then the bust out is 26-27. That’s all. I’m just not going to let a handful of games rewrite what he looked like for 30 previous games.
Fair, and agreed we don’t know. But I’d say it’s kind of silly to assume he will be as bad as he was for most of last year, while also thinking it’s silly to assume he’ll be a starter or one of the best players on the team. Somewhere in the middle of that seems extremely logical.
Can't disagree, but he showed he has game and the ability to play really well against tough competition and Pope seems to have the ability to get the most out of these guys. I think Chandler is much better than most think and I won't be surprised if he turns out to be a really good scorer from the outside and cutting to the rim.
What, you think that'a not a thing? If Chandler wasn't white, he would get a lot more respect than what he's getting.
I think racism exists, yes. It’s seemingly being proven in this conversation. Man this is a wild take. He was terrible for 85% of last season. I’m not sure who isn’t respecting him, and not really sure what you even mean by it. How does that have anything to do with Chandlers minutes or stats or his place on next years team?
This isn't racism, this is just a lack of respect for Chandler, because it's hard for some people to believe that a white guy could be the better player.
You're a prime example of what I'm talking about. Jasper is a lower rated 5* (247 has him as a 4*) guy who hasn't played college ball and like Chandler, he's going to be playing on a team with a loaded backcourt. Chandler has proven himself at this level, is more mature by 3 years and knows Pope's system, but none of that matters to you. In your mind, Jasper has to be better (he very well could be and I hope he is) .
I would be willing to bet that if Chandler was the 5* freshman and Jasper was a Sophomore with the same stats Chandler had, you would say Jasper is the better player. I mean, again, Chandler is 3 years older, has played for CMP for a season and played in the toughest conference in the history of the game, but because JJ is a 5 * frosh (4*), he must be better. Well, Devin Askew, Kahlil Whitney and BJ Boston were 5* kids too, how did that work out for them?
Edit: Now that I'm looking around, I see most services have JJ as a 4*. So far, from what I've seen, Rivals has him ranked the highest, which is 18th and a 4*.
The difference between nervous unsure Colin and confident play free Colin was night and day. You can say that bout any player I guess but those with real talent its amazing what happens when they shed that tentativeness and start really playing. We saw his light come on late last year and his whole demeanor changed and so did his game. And most of that was just from his willingness to take the outside shot, wait until he adds in his driving and mid range game which was more what he was known for as a high level prospect
I just made my post before I ready yours about the confidence but good catch and dead on!
Proven himself how? The dude was UNPLAYABLE for the majority of the season. He had about a handful of games where he was actually usable. He had the second lowest box +/- of anyone on the roster that played actual minutes except Travis Perry. He had the lowest offensive box +/- of anyone, by a decent amount. The last handful of games he was actually a usable bench player. Nothing special, mind you, but he wasn't the negative he was for the first 30ish games. That isn't proving anything. We all hope it's a sign of good things to come though.
Chandler's age doesn't equate to anything in the comparison. He sat out for two years. That's a huge deal to overcome. Credit to him for working hard to overcome it, but it's not something that just fixes itself overnight. Chandler does have one year of college experience, which for the most part proved he wasn't ready for this level of basketball.
He very well could be better than Jasper, that is true. But race has zero to do with it. If anything, had Chandler not already proven he can't play (currently) at this level I'd have a different viewpoint. I've seen him, he's not there yet. Could be this coming season. Could not. Kind of in the same vein as Jasper. The biggie for me with Chandler is there's an immense amount of rust to clean up. And there should be. I think he will get there, I just don't think the huge breakout is this year. And I'd feel the same way if he were black, brown, purple, red, or yellow. Point out he's white is and that's the reason for some perceived lack of respect is at best just silly.
Obviously you're focusing on CC's negatives and ignoring the huge difference in him at the end of the season, but without ever seeing a 4* JJ even play 1 college game, you have him as the better player. I guess you could be right, I hope you are.
Also, being 3 years older certainly does matter, it actually matters more than most other attributes. Just think about how much more mature you were as a 21 year old, compared to an 18 year old hs kid. It’s night and day.
But sh*t, if JJ ends up being better, I'm all for it, I'm just so burned out on hoping freshmen come into college and be good enough to win. Out of all the great freshmen Cal brought through these doors, very rarely did any of the non top 10 kids do much of anything. Reed Sheppard and SGA were obviously incorrectly rated, but there aren't very many others that fit that mold.
I don't know why we needed to make this a racial thing.
Was Chandler bad for a lot of last season? Yes. He was clearly rusty and lacking in confidence for the early part of the season and the majority of conference play. He hadn't played in two years. He needed time to get his game back and adapt himself to SEC play.
Did he get better? Yes, he showed tremendous growth by the end of the year. Don't see how you can deny that. He is capable of being a knockdown 3 shooter and has the potential to guard 1-4 and be one of our better defenders. He has shown flashes of athleticism too, running the baseline and finishing in contact.
Was Chandler bad for a lot of last season? Yes. He was clearly rusty and lacking in confidence for the early part of the season and the majority of conference play. He hadn't played in two years. He needed time to get his game back and adapt himself to SEC play.
Did he get better? Yes, he showed tremendous growth by the end of the year. Don't see how you can deny that. He is capable of being a knockdown 3 shooter and has the potential to guard 1-4 and be one of our better defenders. He has shown flashes of athleticism too, running the baseline and finishing in contact.
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