The great innovator who stalled the ball so much that the TV folks made the ncaa go to a shot clock!! He was a joke of a coach and one of the biggest cheats ever. He invented the “CAROLINA WAY” what a joke!!
Coach K vs. John Calipari coaching NBA All-Star talent. The results might surprise you.
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I think Cal bought too much into the mindset he talked about around just concentrating on his team. When you get deep in the tourney you get good teams that you have to gameplan and adjust for even if you are the superior team. 2015 is sadly a example...K went small with Winslow at the 4 while we tried to just bully people with size and were prone to spread teams in ND and UW.
If you don't understand that freshmen aren't the same as a senior then that's on you.
Saying overwhelming talent is meaningless also.
Complain about senior led teams is the only way to win
Then the next sentence talk about how cal had more talent than anyone lol
This is a great post. Thank you. Wish more people could think this rationally instead of blathering on and on about who coached the most NBA All Stars and they should have won more.
So glad you found something to start another bash Cal thread. Finding something to post negative shit about Cal is your drug of choice. It feeds your need for hate. Please cast your stone of hate, since you’re without sin. I bet you set up front during church, don’t you?
I am not sure why you thought anyone would be surprised by the results.
Cal needed the top 2 picks in the draft to win his lone championship.
And he couldn’t make the FF with Wall, Bledsoe, Cousins, and Patterson.
If he doesn’t win another NC he will go down in history as doing the least with the most.
And no way he wins another. He will never make a FF again either.
He’s not winning another title but a lot of bad coaches have made final fours so i won’t count that out.
Hubert Davis is not a good basketball coach and was REAL close to winning the whole thing last season.
Kevin Ollie was let go like 3 seasons after winning a title. John Brady and Paul Hewitt were mostly awful and made final fours.
So yeah, just about anyone can get lucky and make a final four.
Here's something to consider when comparing Cal to older coaches. Coach K and Dean Smith didn't spend their entire careers in an era when 64+ teams made the NCAA Tournament. Today it feels like almost any team with a heartbeat can make the Big Dance.
I understand what the OP is saying but how many all-stars did Jay Wright produce while coaching and winning titles at Villanova?
I understand what the OP is saying but how many all-stars did Jay Wright produce while coaching and winning titles at Villanova?
I know anyone can get lucky and make it to the FF. But with the transfer portal, CCC can’t have the overwhelming talent that he’s used to.
I think his coaching is just too mediocre to ever make the FF again.
He’s lost to Tom Crean, Bruce Weber, Puddin Tang in the NCAAT since 2015.
He will never make another FF and I’ve been saying this for 6 years now and he keeps proving me correct.
You sure that the reason for the shot clock wasn’t “stall ball” Yates at UC when we played them in 1983 and the final score of the game was 24-11!
It’s unfortunate. You’re probably right. I certainly wouldn’t put money on us.
The Duke UNC game years ago was 7-0 at half time game had no stoppage. The networks paying good money for these games. No ads were ran that game had a bunch to do with shot clock. Dean ran 4 corners a lot. Yates did that special for UK that game about killed us scheduling them!!
How has he overachieved when he has 1 title for the enormous amount of talent he has coached? By that I mean 5 stars, All-Americans, top recruiting classes, first round draft picks .
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Didn't k actually do the least with the most? He had #1,#2,3 of the 2018 class and failed
Its amazing that guys become great all stars, once basketball is their full time job AND they have matured past 18-19 years old.
Funny how that works
JUST SAYIN’
What a Garbage biased malicious illogical post.
I'm so tired of the misinformation posted here.
Coach K - 42 years at Dook
Dean Smith - 36 years at UNC
Cal - 15 years at UK
Dook and UNC were Powers BEFORE K and Dean.
Cal has disappointed all of us lately, but just shut up this bull crap.
K has 5 National Championships
2 of them came when Cal pissed down his leg with the best team in college basketball 2010 and 2015
So.... He also pissed away the top 3/4 recruits in the nation for 7 years
2016-2022
If you haven't noticed a lot of these top coaches "piss down their leg" in march. It's hard to win no matter how great your team is
No coach in the history of college basketball has had as much NBA All-Star talent in such a short period of time as Calipari has had at Kentucky. And ONLY 1 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP.
There used to be a joke. Who was the only person that could hold Michael Jordon to under 20 points a game?..... Answer, Dean Smith......... I guess we can now ask the question. Who was the only person that could hold Shai Gilgeous-Alexander to under 20 points a game?.... Answer, John Calipari.
Such an embarrassment of riches that Calipari has had here
9 NBA All-Stars
5 Olympic Gold Medalists
7 of his ex UK players has had an NBA game with 50 or more points
16 of his ex UK players has had an NBA game with 40 or more points
Anyone else would be embarrassed by this. But it's like that Calipari is immune from shame.
Indeed; and the argument is that these guys weren't that good under Cal.
Almost all of them were all-freshmen team or All-SEC level players.
Were they what they became in the league? Of course not, but they were good enough to be lottery picks and only Booker was drafted on potential, where as the rest of them - Wall, Cousins, Knight, Davis, MKG, Randle, Towns, Lyles, WCS, Fox, Monk, Bam, SGA, etc. - were drafted on actual production AND potential.
The Cal Cult is running out of Kool-Aide.
They're in the bunker now.
What i’ve noticed on HoB about the staunchest of Calipari apologists is that most of them (not all but most), have a join date of late march 2009 or later.
And quite a few of them only showed up in the last few years.
WOW. Impressed you brought that one up, my 85 year old Aunt still brings up that game to this day every now and then when we talk during the season and I always remind her it was 1979 and Jim Spanarkles Senior Day at Cameron. Duke was pre-season # 1 in the Country having returned just about everybody from the 1978 team and Carolina as usual was good and highly ranked. I think both were in the top 10-13 the day of the game. Dean Smith decides to pull that damn BS stunt and they held the ball 10-12 minutes. The crowd was in a booing frenzy and Duke had scored a few times to make it 7-0 at the half. Second half Dean lets them play actual basketball and each team scores 40 points so it was a 47-40 Duke win. (smh)
A very infamous game.
You know the TV executives had to be crying over the lost money. I don’t blame them.
This is true but one of those titles occurred when Cal and Co lost in the Final Four to Wisconsin for their only loss of the season and I’m not about to criticize a coach who only lost one game all year long. Especially when that loss didn’t occur until the Final Four.
Had Kentucky won that matchup they would have ROLLED Duke in the Finals and we all know that. That was a title of fortune, not of skill, for K.
Well Shai has had two nba seasons under 20 so I guess you can’t say that for Shai like it has been said for MJ .
ESPN and the media/officials worshiped K and Dean Smith. All three of those entities despise Calipari. Especially officials. He Screams nonstop at them and several ( Higgins Ayer’s Valentine ) loath him. He will never get thru 6 tournament games without a fair whistle.
This. Also laettener was a great college player so acting like he doesn’t matter because he did it kill it in the nba is silly.
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