CI Wrestling Thread #56
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Interesting video about Tony putting over Corny
I don't disagree.
But I think it's the job of the market to sort it out, not the government. Blame Friedman.
So they brought the Demon version of Finn out, they almost have to put the belt on him don't they?? But with Brock and Roman at the Saudi show, they can't....it's a weird situation they have themselves in for sure.
Looks like Twitter is in a uproar about the flight from hell. Swearing off Ric Flair and trying to get Tommy dreamer cancelled.
Ric Flair being a lousy human being should be nothing new to anybody.
...so something that occurred almost 2 decades ago, and was common knowledge among wrestling fans, because it was made the subject of this television show...is now the basis for "cancelling" and blackballing wrestlers?
2021, man. This world is going to sh!t right in front of this 50-year-old dude's eyes.
2021, man. This world is going to sh!t right in front of this 50-year-old dude's eyes.
I've not watched it and as you say I was already aware of it. But from what I understand they interview the flight attendant that had to deal with all of it and she was pretty messed up by the whole ordeal.
That's correct. I won't make light of anything anyone on that plane did. But that flight attendant and another sued Ric Flair in 2004 and obtained an out-of-court settlement for an undisclosed sum. So, was she sexually harassed/sexually assaulted? Ric denied it, but she is highly credible and there's enough corroboration that I don't think anyone doubts her story. So, yes, she was sexually harassed/sexually assaulted. Was she compensated for being forced to touch Ric's member and the fear/shame/embarrassment it caused her? Yes. Did she ever press criminal charges? No. Could she have? Definitely.
There's a tendency today to judge people based on today's standards for things done decades ago. I just think that's entirely unfair. For example, "g_y" and "f_g" were common insults when I was younger. Most have stopped using those words in a derogatory way. But if someone digs up a recording of me using those words back in the 1980's, should that be basis for me being cancelled today?
Don't get me wrong, twirling your d!ck at anyone uninvited was not acceptable then and it's not acceptable now, but "boys will be boys" was a more accepted reaction to something like this and it was considered less offensive. If he did this today, he absolutely would deserve to be cancelled. But not for something that happened decades ago, was known, was adjudicated and was settled.
F Reddit. It's a hive-minded SJW cesspool.
Haven't watched yet but have read about it and man, I just don't like this response. You can't blame 2020 or 2021 (in other words, wokeness) and say the world is going to shit because wrestlers allegedly sexually assaulted someone on a flight and now social media is upset because they probably didn't know about this story. It's not difficult to not act like an animal around others. You're obliviously not excusing the behavior but to blame 2021 is lazy imo. It's more logical to be upset at what the wrestlers did those many years ago, and not at the response it's getting now. I have no problem saying I'll always be a fan of Flair when he wrestled and during his promos, but the man has more than likely always been a POS.
Agreed, but (1) Twitter is nearly as bad, and (2) Lots of wrestling topics and discussion.
Please refer to my subsequent post. Standards today are not the same as standards 2 decades ago.
It isn’t lazy one bit to blame 2021 and how people react to this. Like stated, this happened 2 decades ago… why are social media mongers now throwing a fit about this like it happened yesterday. Why do they believe they have ALL the facts in front of them from an hour long show? It is lazy for Twitter and Reddit to act like they have everything they need to crucify is man 20yrs later. On top of that, she sued ric flair and settled out of court. So this man has already gone to court over this.
it’s lazy for people to see something on tv, internet, wherever and take that for face value. Not being pissed at Twitter and Reddit losers.
it’s lazy for people to see something on tv, internet, wherever and take that for face value. Not being pissed at Twitter and Reddit losers.
Okay, let's all direct our anger at social media and SJW's because a guy we grew up watching was a POS and we can't handle that. I think Conrad has done the Plane Ride from Hell as a podcast topic, and maybe some thought the content was hilarious, but it's just not man. And no, I don't think Flair should be cancelled (whatever that even means), but I don't get just throwing your hands up and saying "welp, 2021 people!" or "agrrrrr sjw i hate them f reddit too!!!" is logical either.
As an aside, why do any of you care about social media to begin with? A month ago social media thought Flair was going down on a woman on a train.
I think we've identified the SJW among us.
Bingo was its name-O! Because based off of any little information, social media dictates the way the wind blows. Nobody here is justifying how ric acted. Nobody here is saying, “Lolol that old Ric, he sure is a prankster”. It’s pretty stupid and I feel bad for that attendant, HOWEVER I also have an issue with how people are treating this. The way Disney fired Gina Carano over a tweet, I don’t want Flair thrown to the curb for something 20yrs ago. Idk flairs personal life, so has he changed? Does he deserve to go on trial for this? Does his hall of fame be taken away and his record of his titles? Idk, but I know damn well it’s not up to social media to determine that.
That’s why I’m in an uproar over sjw/social media.
Oh and to go back to it… one month it’s Oh that’s silly old Ric, eating vagina on a train.. lololol. The next they wanna burn him down.
We need to track down Tom Wopat and John Schneider for driving around in the General Lee with the confederate flag on the roof in the "Dukes of Hazzard." So repugnant and racist! They need to pay!
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Stop being dramatic. Now you're getting into the confederacy nonsense which has nothing to do with the flight or Flair. Please don't turn this thread into a diet political thread where you all are just bitching about random stuff that has nothing to do with wrestling.
With all due respect, who is "they"? Admittedly, I'm not on reddit or anything, but you're making it sound as if the world is now against Ric when it's probably a couple 100 random people saying that he's a terrible person. Again, you guys want to put everything on the present response (which I think is probably fairly small because no one cares about wrestling anymore) and not on our hero. Also, Flair will be fine. He's a big boy. Hogan is a POS too but he's doing okay now. Did any of you blame social media for Hogan's tape? Can't blame random people online for everything under our sun even though I know it's easy to.
Edit: won't quote ya, but you said in another post that you're in an uproar over sjw/social media. Why are you choosing to be in an "uproar" over what some random ass people on the internet are saying? That's so damn silly. If you feel differently than me that's cool, but you're in an actual uproar over reddit? Good lord man.
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I'm saying exactly what I said before. Standards change, and what was acceptable (or more acceptable) decades ago is not acceptable today. In legalese, it's ex post facto.
Well Tommy Dreamer basically saying a serial sexual predator was just doing everything in good fun and comparing him having double pony tails is as wrong as the stuff Ric Flair did soooo
Appreciate it if you don't label me one way or another as you don't know me. It's silly to blankly label someone who disagrees with you. It's a cheap way to get a couple extra likes here. I'm not on board with fully blaming the response as if they where the ones on the flight. Everyone who was in the situation like JR said it was out of control and completely irresponsible.
Hey look if Richard ****in Flehr or whatever hasn’t made you touch his dick have you really lived? I’m still waiting for my chance.
This, I have more understanding of. Something Tommy Dreamer said/did TODAY does not comport to today's standards. Expecting a public apology soon.
and fwiw, I've enjoyed the conversation and hope no one here minds that it went down this road. I'm sure with Smackdown and Rampage tonight the thread will be more into that, but something like the plane ride from hell is going to elicit conversation and in the words of WWE DDP, that's not a bad thing. That's a good thing.
You realize you just basically self-identified, right? I didn't mention you or anyone else by name.
But I've seen your posts in the political thread, I know your political leanings, and I'm not that far off. Don't act like your political beliefs are some unknown quantity.
I don't want anyone cancelled or anything. I just meant that most people have never really heard her talk about it before and it added a new part to the story.
It was mentioned on his 30 for 30 and nobody thought anything of it.
It was mentioned on his 30 for 30 and nobody thought anything of it.
At the time, I was the only one disagreeing and wasn't roasting SJW's, so were you not referring to me? If you were, again, don't blankly label me as if you know me. If you were talking about someone else, my mistake.
As far as politics goes, that is that thread and this is the wrestling thread. There's not a logical reason to randomly bring the Dukes show or the confederate flag or racism into this current conversation.
after 9/11 there was a tag team in Mexico called Los Talibanos
Would they get a face pop at the Saudi shows???
Just going to leave this here..Happy Friday.
Like I said, I have an issue with it because it’s costing people their jobs, destroying creative ideas, and making people walk in a straight line in fear of the mob. Again, what Ric did was wrong, but these assholes are on the same level.
Holding people responsible today for something that was acceptable (or more acceptable) then. Not random, it's relevant because it's similar.I'm done with this discussion, though, feel free to have the last word.
Put forth as many emojis as you like. Sexual assault wasn't "more acceptable" in 2002. More people are speaking out against it now. That's the difference. The plane ride didn't happen during the days of Mad Men in the 60s. What happened is clearly not a good look for anyone involved. Really as simple as that. Getting more upset over some people on twitter or reddit is a choice. I'm choosing to say that while I enjoyed Flair's career, he ain't a role model and his alleged actions were/are gross. That doesn't make me a SJW or that I hate all men or something dumb like that.
I'm done with this discussion, though, feel free to have the last word.
