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UK has to overpay for good coaches just like UK basketball can underpay for good coaches. Reality of where the program rests compared to its peers.
Kansas paying their bball coach 12m???. That’s waaaay to much for a lesser revenue sport
Wuh? The easiest way to get a pay bump is to move to another company.
Yeah not sure it applies to football or college sports always, but I can tell you from my raises at UK, I’d have been much better off financially to job and title hop my way up. Just can’t beat the convenience for the family life.
To a point, Stoops probably does get increased salary the longer he stays at UK. Partly because the market value skyrockets every year anyway, partly because if a coach has good market value, he gets paid more and more to stay. In most real world jobs, you get a raise to move to a new company; in college-football, you can also get a raise to NOT move, which happened here. The question is, is this astronomical extension worth it.
I think for UK football and where it was before stoops, yes. We’re unlikely to get anyone who is clearly better. I don’t think stoops will ever win a title, but if he has us in the playoff here and there and establishes 20 years or so of stability, the NEXT guy could be the home run hire that pushes us to the next level.
Yeah he's in a spot where Barnhart overpaid so much that it's hard to imagine anybody else paying it for a one side of the ball coach. Who knows what the deal at atm was for but my guess was it was about the same amount and maybe he would even take a little less to have the resources the school puts into football. Seems to me barnharts strategy has been to overpay a guy that is ok with him still underfunding football a bit relative to his peers as long as he just keeps enough interest. These publications and even some of our fans are going to overvalue stoops if you compare it to the entire history of football here. but really, there's no way to compare stoops to anyone at uk. Only the back half of brooks' tenure and joker for a few seasons got to coach during the flood of bowls with slotted spots era where a formulated schedule can really manufacture where you land. Even Stoops went a step further by making the OOC all MAC and avoiding the Sun Belt or CUSA after taking early losses to them here because those leagues do have more speed than MAC schools. And neither of those got to coach with the tv contract money to where we are competitive within the conference. stoops has also been fortunate with the switch of power from east to west. As i always say, it's not that stoops hasn't done ok and had a couple of special seasons, It's also difficult to buy into the guy being considered a landmark coach. if he was, he would've been poached long before now, overpaid salary prohibitive or not. It was a bit stunning tam was going to hire the defensive version of the guy they just fired, but ad Bjork had only made one fb hire in his career....Matt Luke at ole miss. the guy was overruled and a couple months later was gone for another job. Stoops made his hay here with Odom and Muschamp at mizzou and sc and UF in a stretch of what is probably its floor as well as ul being a disaster. We'll see if he can find it again with others in charge at those spots and with not having as favorable a schedule as a SEC program can have but for now he's lost that.
SEC football coaches make a lot of money. It's a difficult job with high stakes. Prior to Brooks and Stoops, UK was widely known as the "football coaches' graveyard". Our fans forget that too quickly. As I have explained here before, UK's Board of Trustees Committee on Athletics under the leadership of Chair David Melanson has pre-approved every Stoops contract and extension. Stoops has the Board's solid support. Unlike the rest of us, the Board's Committee on Athletics is intimately familiar on a granular level with every aspect of our football program and its leadership.
Not sure what the ‘athletics board’ signing off has to do with much other than to say 5 other people rubber stamp overpaying one man and underfund fb as a whole? So we should spread the blame around?
Certainly glad we have this guy on the case and he is both intimate and granular. He certainly has that look of acute awareness of athletics. Count me as ‘on board with whatever the athletics board signs off on’. I’m sure if mb hadn’t gone rogue on bcg, elzy, joker etc they would’ve stopped all of that. They never sign off on poor decisions like Cal’s contract either. Not sure how mb pulled that off without them knowing about it.
There is no agenda. I believe stoops is overpaid. I’ve never advocated for him being fired but for a program that can use money elsewhere he is overpaid and after 12 years needs to take a step up on the offensive side of the ball. I actually felt like tam was going to be a good move for both of us, like Cal, because it feels like he’s stuck. And the fact that you don’t pick up that those aren’t legitimate comments about going rogue and only are used to prove the point that continuing to bring up administrators and boards is irrelevant and doesn’t stop bad decisions from occurring further proves a level of obtuseness. Continuing to bring up that an athletics board run by an academic that is highlighted as being Lee Todd’s speechwriter really isn’t making any point whatsoever. Again, what is the point you are making? That other people sign off on poor decisions as well?
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You put that more succinctly. He’s sustained a higher bar of performance longer than others despite roster, facility, and recruiting handicaps.
I thought so too but I think I get the logic of it. Dykes gets a bump because making it to the natty at a non blue blood. Another bad season and I could see him dropping as much as the guys who fell20- 30 spots. Looking through the whole list it can be volatile so some guys rise and fall a lot.
Why it is almost like the people who are paid by CBS/247 to analyze and comment on CFB recognize better than a Cats Pause nobody poster that Stoops is getting more out of UK Football than he should given the program limitations he faces as opposed to most of the SEC!
But these guys shot him up the list based on a year 1 at UL, playing no one and beating no one - before as Purdue coach he was I think ranked in the 30's
We have a top 20 coach and top 10 in salary. Wouldn't it be nice if that translated into a consistently ranked team? Or is that just ridiculousness to the "7-6 is perfectly fine with me cuz it's better than it used to be" crowd?
Good point. I didn't look for the 2023 and 2022 rankings (I assume then it was just 247 before CBS bought them), but up from 33rd based on last year at UL is sketchy to me too. I think it does go with the macro trend of guys rising and falling a lot. If I had to guess, Brohm was in the Top 25 prior to his 2023 (4-8 record) and the voters keep overcorrecting.
UK has been ranked at some point in the season every year since 2020. FInished 2021 Ranked # 12, 2022 was ranked as high as #7, and last year ranked much of the first 7 weeks of the season.
He's not failing, but do you think what he is giving us is worth what he and his assistants are being paid? Maybe you say "yes", I expect more.
Not knocking Stoops or you, but unless you're rounding to a 500 win percentage, UK is 31-35 in SEC for last eight seasons or win 470 percentage.
