I do and apparently you do too because you're over on a UK board and are posting in this thread, which is about the pre-season top 25.
I happen to think it's a good indicator of where teams will end up in March.
CBS Preseason Top 25
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I happen to think it's a good indicator of where teams will end up in March.
A better uk team? Have you watched next years team yet? What channel were they on because i missed it?
That guys post was just stupidAnd yet the most important players of that KU team won't be there any more.
Like my post said, they definitely could beat us in November, they got the edge on us in experience. Context my man.
But outside of that what makes them scary?
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Thankfully, Kansas doesn't have the experience they had this year. What would be almost a sure loss for most teams last year, is now completely up in the air. Going to be tough to replace Mason and Lucas, along with Jackson.
when you take away top two players on a team, it completely changes the dynamic of a team. Unless they replace with top tier talent that comment is absolutely meaningless.
What exactly has Miller done with top recruiting classes by the way? What has izzo done without those top recruiting classes?
Yep, Louisville losing anyone to early entry is bad news for them, because Pitino relies on a system of upperclassmen who have learned to play his style in order to win games. So, losing Mitchell and Johnson hurts them tremendously. They also lost Mathiang, Stockman, and Hicks from that team. Returning Adel is significant, because they'd really be hurting for scoring without him. Remember, this was a Louisville which struggled to score last season losing 3 of its top 5 scorers. Louisville doesn't rebuild, well, actually that is what they do. They must rebuild and their building blocks are incoming freshmen, which Rick doesn't get production from. As you say, it will be PG Snider, SF Adel, PF Spalding, and C Mahmoud. I don't know who will play the 2 for them. VJ King can shoot but can't really handle the ball well. He could play the 3. Adel might be their best bet, but he's not a great ball handler, either. Mitchell leaving as a sophomore hurts them badly.
As for Duke, I see several publications calling them a winner after the early entry lists have been finalized, but I don't see that. I'm sure I'm biased, but they lost a ton of talent and experience from this last team. Not only did they lose Tatum, Giles, Jackson, and Kennard to early entry, they also lost the guy who has been their consistent anchor for several years inside in Jefferson, and they also lose Jones, who had become a solid defender and was always a reliable shooter. I think it's going to be the Grayson Allen show again, and I don't see it going as well. Kennard overshadowing Allen was a good thing this past season. I like the look of Duval, Carter, and Trent, but are any of those guys great scorers? If Coach K continues 4 out, 1 in, how will Carter, Bolden, and Jeter all play? Looks like it will be a line-up of PG Duval, SG Allen, SF Trent? PF Jeter/Carter and C Bolden. 3 starting freshmen? I'm sure our resident Dukie will set me straight on that line-up. I'm sure they were counting on Knox coming in and playing the wing opposite Allen and they may have been holding out hope for Bamba to play center, but those ships have sailed.
Kansas will be tough. They return three starters (Azibuke started before he got hurt) Newman wasn't great as a freshman but he was decent and now you factor in the progression he will make in year two while being taught by Self (does a great job in getting non freshmen to play to their potential). Graham is a pg who has been playing sg because of Mason, he has always played pg before that. Svi is a deadly shooter so have to watch him.
Preston is a lot like Terrance Jones but more athletic/fluid. Not sure if you'll see the best out of him due to Self track record with freshmen who aren't high motor guys but he is incredibly skilled (top 2 in class skill wise). KU starting 5 should have them easily top 3. But they don't have a bench (which you don't really need in college to win it all)
Preston is a lot like Terrance Jones but more athletic/fluid. Not sure if you'll see the best out of him due to Self track record with freshmen who aren't high motor guys but he is incredibly skilled (top 2 in class skill wise). KU starting 5 should have them easily top 3. But they don't have a bench (which you don't really need in college to win it all)
Yes, but the 2 best are not on that team.They will have a hard time replacing Mason and Jackson.
As an MSU alum(I only root for them in football ever since the Patrick Sparks incident) I think MSU is waaaay overhyped this season. They barely scraped by last year in a big ten that is as bad as I can remember in basketball. Izzo admitted that coaching young (aka one/two and done) talent was very difficult and even gave Cal props for how he handles the brand new teams each year. MSU finishes the season top 15, but no better than a 3 seed. Mark it down.
Garrett gonna surprise ALOT of people. As far as the statement about if we had Graham or Newman running point Devonte ran a lot of point last yr. Not really concerned about that
One thing we are learning from this is that winning the NC is about having the best TEAM not the most first Rd picks...5 years and counting. I would favor wsu right now.
Those were 4 of the top 6 teams heading into the tournament. Maybe a better argument for paying attention to it than ignoring it.
You think the best team in the country has won the Title 5 straight years? You will have a tough time selling that one.
I think that pre season poll was pretty accurate. All 4 teams were very good. Top 10 teams by the end of the season.
Are you suggesting that a freshman point guard in Greene is better than a senior point guard in Graham?
True to a point. We are "replacing" Mason with Newman (top 5 kid in his class), Lucas with Udoka, Bragg (non-factor) with Preston, and Jackson (our biggest loss) with Cunliffe (top 35 in a strong class who played out of position at ASU), a year more mature Svi and a year more mature Vick. Plus Garrett off the bench.
Maybe, maybe Arizona because they've got some players I'd love to see playu under Cal.
And I probably wouldn't trade anyway. Diallo, Knox, Vanderbilt, and Washington are going to be incredibly difficult for anyone to stop.
When it comes to Kansas, you are right, pre-season polls are meaningless.
Pre-season conference polls? Sure.
Disagree. Everyone knows who are players are. They all ball together and see each other all the time in AAU, and shoe circut tournaments ALL across the country since they were all 5. That not counting USA U19, and jordan brand classic, micky d games.
Not an english major, but I believe a comma goes before that second "are".....
or something like that.....
By a more mature Vick, do you mean he is less likely to kick women in the face next year?
So these teams didn't win the trophies? They don't give them away. I'm assuming you are saying(just assuming) that you are saying UK has been the best team most of these years? If so, that makes this even worse.
I mean, I guess I don't know that they will be hard to stop, but I'm considering it a safe bet.
