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He is obviously having major back issues. Nelson versus Carr should have been about an even matchup going by their averages. It's not really one-on-one like that, but the statistical discrepancy between those two players decided the game yesterday. I've noticed Carr pushing instead of moving his feet a lot the last couple of games on rebounding/defense. Hope he gets some rest/treatment this week, because we need him at 100%.
 
If Carr can’t go at all, I wouldn’t mind seeing Noah steal some minutes at the 4 in a small ball lineup.

I think he could give us something similar to what Perry is giving us at backup point. Probably get torched on D, but he’ll bang the open 3 and will at least fight for rebounds.
 
I’m wondering if he should be given 2 weeks off, no activity other than walking to class.
I did something to my back (muscular) 6/7 years ago and it took me 3 months to recover. I couldn’t sit for more than 30min without a lot of pain. But I’m sure he’s getting a lot better treatment than I did.
 
He is obviously having major back issues. Nelson versus Carr should have been about an even matchup going by their averages. It's not really one-on-one like that, but the statistical discrepancy between those two players decided the game yesterday. I've noticed Carr pushing instead of moving his feet a lot the last couple of games on rebounding/defense. Hope he gets some rest/treatment this week, because we need him at 100%.
Smh. Nelson is far more athletic than Carr and would dominate almost anytime he wants to. Alabama is a guard led offense and focuses on that, Nelson is a beast when they ask him to be. The tournament last year wasn't luck. They changed a few things up and went to him more and he was almost unstoppable
 
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This is when you take a flyer on a development piece at forward and guard. Insurance policy for injuries. Uber athletic and or brute strength preferably with developing skills.
 
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He is obviously having major back issues. Nelson versus Carr should have been about an even matchup going by their averages. It's not really one-on-one like that, but the statistical discrepancy between those two players decided the game yesterday. I've noticed Carr pushing instead of moving his feet a lot the last couple of games on rebounding/defense. Hope he gets some rest/treatment this week, because we need him at 100%.
I’d say it’s imperative.
 
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I respect his desire to want to play. He couldn't though. Not sure how serious it is, but Coach Pope might have to sit him some if necessary.

I know Garrison spells Williams but I would start him I. Place of Carr if it comes to that. He is hitting 3s now. Would help stretch the defense.
I agree that I think Garrison some at PF alongside Williams might be the best of a bad situation if Carr can't move any better than he is now. I was thinking about that possibility during the Alabama game and thinking maybe Garrison could defend Nelson better than Carr (currently) or Almonor. I feel sorry for Carr just watching him try to play currently, and watching him in person on the sideline. Carr wasn't the fastest guy to start with, but he simply can't move now. But I absolutely don't think Garrison stretches any defenses, as I don't think any coach will try to cover Garrison beyond the 3pt. line and in fact will giddily encourage him to take as many as he's willing. Although I can see that Garrison is getting more comfortable with that shot and his form is looking ok, to me it appears that he's still at least a season away from being able to stretch any defense. That said, if Carr is basically a statue out there - which is also affecting his perimeter shot - then at least Garrison should give us better defense.
 
If Carr can’t go at all, I wouldn’t mind seeing Noah steal some minutes at the 4 in a small ball lineup.

I think he could give us something similar to what Perry is giving us at backup point. Probably get torched on D, but he’ll bang the open 3 and will at least fight for rebounds.
Are you wanting to lose?
 
He is obviously having major back issues. Nelson versus Carr should have been about an even matchup going by their averages. It's not really one-on-one like that, but the statistical discrepancy between those two players decided the game yesterday. I've noticed Carr pushing instead of moving his feet a lot the last couple of games on rebounding/defense. Hope he gets some rest/treatment this week, because we need him at 100%.
We missed a healthy Carr, yesterday!
 
I think Noah would follow a similar path to what we’ve seen from Perry. He’d look poor at first with obvious progression the more he plays. He played better than Perry did against the non-con scrubs so perhaps he’d start his improvement path ahead of where Perry did. He’d obviously get picked on defensively but he’d also be good for one to two 3’s. I agree that it’s not ideal but if you were forced to do it for a spurt or two a game it wouldn’t be the end of the world.
 
If Carr can’t go at all, I wouldn’t mind seeing Noah steal some minutes at the 4 in a small ball lineup.

I think he could give us something similar to what Perry is giving us at backup point. Probably get torched on D, but he’ll bang the open 3 and will at least fight for rebounds.
Agree completely. This is the same point I made when Carr was questionable heading to MSU.

Sure, Noah isn’t PF height but playing 4 out can allow him to steal some minutes there if we scheme defensively with a 1-3-1 or 2-3/3-2 while Noah is in.

Basically, Williams and AA start; Garrison backs up both of them as he’s the more versatile of the the 2 between him and AA and can give minutes at the 4 and 5. But if any foul trouble in the top 3 bigs happens then Noah has to get minutes at the 4 and we have to figure out how to hide him defensively when giving up a size disadvantage.

The other alternative is to go small with Butler, Jackson, Oweh, Brea and have Brea play the 4 if bigs get in foul trouble, as he can keep up laterally with 4s but struggles to guard 2s and 3s.
 
I’m wondering if he should be given 2 weeks off, no activity other than walking to class. I did something to my back (muscular) 6/7 years ago and it took me 3 months to recover. I couldn’t sit for more than 30min without a lot of pain. But I’m sure he’s getting a lot better treatment than I did.
I hope it’s not two weeks, but yeah, Pope may have to do something like that. Bad backs need rest. They don’t heal right if you’re constantly re-straining them.

And better to have him miss games now than in March.
 
I hope it’s not two weeks, but yeah, Pope may have to do something like that. Bad backs need rest. They don’t heal right if you’re constantly re-straining them.
I need to look this one up. I know conventional medical wisdom is to rest a bad back, but I've read secondary sources that that convention is changing. Basically, as long as it's not a fracture, slipped disc, or something much more serious, the best way to improve a bad back is getting around and moving. Being sedentary hurts more than it helps.

Granted, I'm not a doctor – just a biologist – and I'd need to do a lit review to confirm that the convention is changing.

I just bring this up because it sounds like Pope is making Carr sit out practices when that may be the worst thing for his condition.

Putting a lot of faith in the sports medicine folks that they're up-to-date and aren't suffering from the information lag that's been known to plague medicine at times.
 
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Agree completely. This is the same point I made when Carr was questionable heading to MSU.

Sure, Noah isn’t PF height but playing 4 out can allow him to steal some minutes there if we scheme defensively with a 1-3-1 or 2-3/3-2 while Noah is in.

Basically, Williams and AA start; Garrison backs up both of them as he’s the more versatile of the the 2 between him and AA and can give minutes at the 4 and 5. But if any foul trouble in the top 3 bigs happens then Noah has to get minutes at the 4 and we have to figure out how to hide him defensively when giving up a size disadvantage.

The other alternative is to go small with Butler, Jackson, Oweh, Brea and have Brea play the 4 if bigs get in foul trouble, as he can keep up laterally with 4s but struggles to guard 2s and 3s.
I love Brea’s outside shooting but he doesn’t play good defense and doesn't block out well on rebounds. It’s a double-edged sword. Wish we could sub him out in defense, but not a viable alternative except for very late in games.
 
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He's definitely not himself.

His defense isn't great to begin with. But knock him down to 75-80% and Nelson eats him alive as we saw. He also didn't give us anything on offense. 4 points on 1-4 shooting is uncharacteristic. Some of that is foul trouble and minutes. But all of it comes back to--if he's 100% and moving even slightly better--his defense isn't quite so bad. Nelson had 25. Could a 100% Carr have slowed him down enough to keep him at 20? Maybe Carr gets you a few more easy buckets down the stretch.
 
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Smh. Nelson is far more athletic than Carr and would dominate almost anytime he wants to. Alabama is a guard led offense and focuses on that, Nelson is a beast when they ask him to be. The tournament last year wasn't luck. They changed a few things up and went to him more and he was almost unstoppable
yeah... 9 points, 4 fouls and 5 turnovers vs ole miss..... I get what you are sayin'...
 
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I’m not a doctor but I have suffered from back spasms on and off my whole life. I wouldn’t expect Carr to be totally healthy the rest of the season. He’s looking at pain and inflammation management
 
I’m not a doctor but I have suffered from back spasms on and off my whole life. I wouldn’t expect Carr to be totally healthy the rest of the season. He’s looking at pain and inflammation management
Well you have to think he’s going to get much more updated daily treatment than you but although you’re not a Dr in real life you are one on a message board!
Just kidding.
 
I think Noah would follow a similar path to what we’ve seen from Perry. He’d look poor at first with obvious progression the more he plays. He played better than Perry did against the non-con scrubs so perhaps he’d start his improvement path ahead of where Perry did. He’d obviously get picked on defensively but he’d also be good for one to two 3’s. I agree that it’s not ideal but if you were forced to do it for a spurt or two a game it wouldn’t be the end of the world.
I think he would have to challenge Brea to move there at 6 7. Might work if he steps up. If not, it’s Garrison. I think he could help there.
 
So because he had a bad game means you are gonna act like he can't be great at times? To me Nelson is the most dangerous guy on their team. Saturday is why
Easy to do when you have an injured player guarding you. Not to mention, allowed to travel and push off on every play. Lulz he’s a good player but he isn’t some superstar.
 
I need to look this one up. I know conventional medical wisdom is to rest a bad back, but I've read secondary sources that that convention is changing. Basically, as long as it's not a fracture, slipped disc, or something much more serious, the best way to improve a bad back is getting around and moving. Being sedentary hurts more than it helps.

Granted, I'm not a doctor – just a biologist – and I'd need to do a lit review to confirm that the convention is changing.

I just bring this up because it sounds like Pope is making Carr sit out practices when that may be the worst thing for his condition.

Putting a lot of faith in the sports medicine folks that they're up-to-date and aren't suffering from the information lag that's been known to plague medicine at times.
I've gone through the back thing. Yeah, sedentary is not the answer. But you don't want to OVER stress whatever muscle that is pulled (& inflamed). Mine was a tiny one, when it went it felt like someone had shot me with a gun. I couldn't sit for more than 30min without a lot of pain, had to go back & forth all day from standing using laptop & sitting using it at work; even getting out of bed was not easy. I tried rest, then massage, then chiro, then Dr, which led to PT. PT was the only thing that worked. They have you do specific exercises to that muscle that is pulled (once they identify which one), and for me I think what helped most was the TENS unit sessions that they also do. TENS unit? It is a small device that sends electrical impulses to the muscle(s) where it is attached (they usually surround the area), think mini-electricusions. They tell you to let them ramp it up as strong as you can stand, and then you get that for about 15-20 minutes a session. It hurts a lot, but at the same time helps. You or I, we are getting that PT treatment 2 maybe 3 times a week, I'm sure Carr is getting it 2 maybe 3 times a day.
So I would agree with sitting out practices. That is an environment where he may push that muscle "over the limit" on a play setting him back to starting point 0 on his recovery. But at the same time, I doubt he is laying in bed in the dorm being sedentary, he is doing various stretches and other treatments probably multiple times a day, to get that muscle back to where it needs to be.

(I too, am not a Dr, just a statistician who does work with doctors, but I have had a similar condition)
 
I've gone through the back thing. Yeah, sedentary is not the answer. But you don't want to OVER stress whatever muscle that is pulled (& inflamed). Mine was a tiny one, when it went it felt like someone had shot me with a gun. I couldn't sit for more than 30min without a lot of pain, had to go back & forth all day from standing using laptop & sitting using it at work; even getting out of bed was not easy. I tried rest, then massage, then chiro, then Dr, which led to PT. PT was the only thing that worked. They have you do specific exercises to that muscle that is pulled (once they identify which one), and for me I think what helped most was the TENS unit sessions that they also do. TENS unit? It is a small device that sends electrical impulses to the muscle(s) where it is attached (they usually surround the area), think mini-electricusions. They tell you to let them ramp it up as strong as you can stand, and then you get that for about 15-20 minutes a session. It hurts a lot, but at the same time helps. You or I, we are getting that PT treatment 2 maybe 3 times a week, I'm sure Carr is getting it 2 maybe 3 times a day.
So I would agree with sitting out practices. That is an environment where he may push that muscle "over the limit" on a play setting him back to starting point 0 on his recovery. But at the same time, I doubt he is laying in bed in the dorm being sedentary, he is doing various stretches and other treatments probably multiple times a day, to get that muscle back to where it needs to be.

(I too, am not a Dr, just a statistician who does work with doctors, but I have had a similar condition)
Right. The jerky movements required for certain drills and live action probably don't help. As long as Carr is getting around and doing whatever possible to get himself healthy, I think BBN should be happy. I was worried about Pope's wording, but it's entirely possible I was reading too much into it.
 
Rest is the only thing that heals the back. If you are gonna lose might as well sit him and get him ready for a few weeks down the road.
 
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