Not to mention a weaker conference. It was KU and nobody else really in that league for a while.
Not saying SEC was like it is this year but there would always be at least two or three teams that could at least challenge you.
Cal's fault we might lose the all-time wins lead??
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Not saying SEC was like it is this year but there would always be at least two or three teams that could at least challenge you.
Anyone going to address my post? I notice it is all calipari bashing and it's 100% on cal. My post proved that false and people don't like it. Kansas has been winning more games than uk for 36 years in the modern era.
I get Self is the better coach. But if course it's Cal fault. He had a good size lead on it just a few years ago. It's all but gone to KU now.
Did you post that same image in all the threads yesterday with the theme “whoa is me, we are going to lose the all time lead and it’s all Cal’s fault”? Because this is the only thread refuting that crybaby vomit.
really, this is where we are at.
no one cared they played 200 more games than us before Cal game here.
The point is they closed the gap under Cal instead of Cal extending it
end of discussion
no one cared they played 200 more games than us before Cal game here.
The point is they closed the gap under Cal instead of Cal extending it
end of discussion
I dont really get the B12 was this really weak conference notion. You had teams like Huggins WVU who had nice runs, you had Buddy Hield at OU for a couple years, you had TTU with Beard a few years, you had those good Iowa State teams, and now you have had Baylor for the past 3 years. Its not like they had no competition.
and lets be fair - for UK, for decades we were the only basketball team in the SEC.
Agreed, I actually give a good amount of props for Self and that B12 Championship streak as the conference had a pretty worthy challenger most years.
revisionist history in defense of Cal
It would only matter if they played a significant number of games since he became coach
I'm completely lost on anyone trying to marginalize another program passing us in all time wins. Even Cal was promoting UK2K. It was important enough to celebrate when he first got here
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Simple question, simple answer. Is Cal the coach of the University of Kentucky: yes.
Did we lead in all time wins when Cal was our coach: yes
If we lose the lead while Cal is coach is he responsible: yes
Did we lead in all time wins when Cal was our coach: yes
If we lose the lead while Cal is coach is he responsible: yes
I find this thread amusing. Here's why. Many people asked how many games were we ahead of Kansas when Cal took over? When Cal took over, Kentucky was only a few games ahead of North Carolina after the previous 4 seasons of struggling under Coach Smith's final two seasons and Coach Gillispie's only two. UK and UNC were both chasing 2000 wins. Kansas was in third, and while they were in the conversation, they weren't really a threat to take over the lead at the time, but UNC definitely was. This is not a new thing. The all times win list has always been pretty damn close.
We won our 2,000th game on December 9, 2009 and beat North Carolina to the punch by (I believe it was) about 5 games because they were struggling a bit that season. UNC did not get it's 2,000th win until March 2nd, 2010. Kansas got their 2,000th win a few days later on March 11, 2010.
I'm not trying to argue that the all time wins record is not important. It is. But it isn't as if we have always had it and it isn't as if we haven't been close to losing it fairly recently. Last year sucked, no doubt. But that was an absolute worst case scenario season. We will be fine, IMO.
We won our 2,000th game on December 9, 2009 and beat North Carolina to the punch by (I believe it was) about 5 games because they were struggling a bit that season. UNC did not get it's 2,000th win until March 2nd, 2010. Kansas got their 2,000th win a few days later on March 11, 2010.
I'm not trying to argue that the all time wins record is not important. It is. But it isn't as if we have always had it and it isn't as if we haven't been close to losing it fairly recently. Last year sucked, no doubt. But that was an absolute worst case scenario season. We will be fine, IMO.
If the NCAA had any balls they would strip Kansas of dozens of wins. At this point I’m not even sure if Kansas is still under investigation? I mean they clearly were at one point.
If the NCAA is not gonna strip away some of their wins I say screw it, lets just count the wins we had vacated. That’d push our lead way back up again. I mean what is the NCAA going to do about it? Their power is waning.
If the NCAA is not gonna strip away some of their wins I say screw it, lets just count the wins we had vacated. That’d push our lead way back up again. I mean what is the NCAA going to do about it? Their power is waning.
Inconsistent ? Wonder if that has anything to do with guards being injured and missing the game?
Cal is responsible for Kansas playing in a half ass conference? As the OP stated, Cal’s averages have been above the line for Kentucky. Things like scheduling for other teams are quite beyond his control. Only someone with a negative and destructive agenda could argue otherwise in the face of statistics that span decades.
Years spanning 59 - 77 and 79 - 95 we won no titles. Of our 8 titles, 4 came within 2 3 year spans. So basically your 1 title every 10 years is nothing but agenda driven crap that fails to analyze the actual time frames between championships. Long stretches without titles are the norm here. The shorter interval is due to titles sometimes occurring in pairs. I’ve lived through two of them. Last 10 or 12 years have been great if you had any sort of historical perspective.
Yep. The big 8 was a joke all through the 90’s. I think other than Kansas they had 1 team make the final four and that was OK State with Big Country Bryant Reeves in 95.
Other than Kentucky in the 90’s Arkansas made the final four twice. Mississippi State once Florida once. And arkansas won a national title.
In the 2000’s Florida went to the final four 3 times and won back to back LSU once. 2010s. Florida, South Carolina, Auburn all with final fours.
The SEC has consistently been better at the top than the Big8/12 in the modern era.
They went to an elite 8 or better 5 times out of 12 years . We have 7 . More than any other school. Both teams probably would have went in 2020.
Reg season success means something, but it's about 25/75 % to post season success.
Kansas has 27 wins in the tournament in 11 attempts since cal got here.
Uk has 31 wins in 9 attempts
These are the numbers that matter. Unless you are worried about getting regular season banners
Reg season success means something, but it's about 25/75 % to post season success.
Kansas has 27 wins in the tournament in 11 attempts since cal got here.
Uk has 31 wins in 9 attempts
These are the numbers that matter. Unless you are worried about getting regular season banners
there are many, many fans that believe staying on top of all time wins matters as well.
UK does (or did) as well
IMO this has absolutely nothing to do whatsoever with Cal. This is about the history of UK vs the history of KU.
One team played about 150 more games than the other. It's not hard to see how that would affect an overall win totals.
It's why we focus on rebounding % these days and not total rebounds. Any counting stat is going to be affected by opportunity.
not even remotely the same
I don't remember us wearing T-Shirts celebrating first team to get x number of total rebounds before any other program.
just stop this
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It's completely ridiculous to not factor in number of games. I mean when both programs have won around 72-76% of their games in their entire history to think 150 additional games doesn't make a difference is just completely riidiculous.
And the rebounding thing was just an example of how dumb it is to use counting stats for things.
Also UK basketball has been around for 119 seasons. Cal's been here for 13 of them. To attribute this to Cal is a bit ridiculous as well.
what is ridiculous is making it an issue now in defense of the possibility of us being passed but never mentioning it before.
UK has always prided itself on all time wins, we celebrate it - without asterisks.
Cal's job among other things is to maintain that lead.
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Who is making it an issue now?
It was ALWAYS the issue.
Yeah no one talked about %.
Just like no one talked about the actual win total all that much either until just now. It's not as if this is some important topic on this board. It's like 1000th on the list of things people discuss.
Because it didn't really need to be discussed.
I care about winning the majority of the games I played in. That's important to me. We've won more of the games we played than any other college basketball team in history. That's all that matters. I have no control over the number of games played and the discrepancy between the two. And neither does Cal.
Thats all that needs said .. I'm sure when Kansas passes us CBS , NBC , ESPN , ESPN plus , ESPN HS , ESPN HD , ESPN2 etc etc will certainly explain poor Kentucky hasnt played as many games as Kansas when discussing who is the winningest program in college basketball. The levels and lengths some of our fans will go to defend this crap is amazing . I'm starting to believe they are really not UK fans at all. Just losers from other teams with nothing better to do .
Yes, agreed. Buuut, theoretically it should be about a wash then, not a diminished lead. And again, I do care more about, and think that, all-time winning percentage is the more valuable and telling number.
you can believe it was a topic when UNC passed us. No one talks about opponents overtaking us in actual win total until its a real possibility, and that's why its been talked about on here since mid last year.
otherwise people just say "most wins in college basketball"
maybe you've heard, I don't know, ESPN, CBS, Sporting News mention that, oh... whenever they talk about our program in comparison to others?
I'd like for them to keep saying that as opposed to telling us how many guys we have in the NBA
When and if they pass us which I think they will this season, a big deal will be made out of it from ESPN, CBS and Sporting News and others. When Kentucky basketball is involved in anything it's big news. If Kansas fans want to talk about it if and when it happens, they have lost more games than us too. We have more championships and own the series between the two among a host of other things.
It will be 1,000% Calipari's fault...... I remember when Pitino was here & at the time we were on probation & North Carolina passed us by in all-time wins as a result of us being on probation. I'll never forget Pitino saying that UNC had better enjoy their lead over us because it won't last long. And sure enough Pitino & UK caught & passed UNC for the team with the most all-time wins.
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I can remember when UK was third behind Kansas and North Carolina. This was about 35 years ago or so As I recall. Perhaps some enterprising researcher can enlighten me.
I don't know the timing of it in regards to UNC and Pitino but Pitino certainly laid the ground work for us to regain it, whether under his watch or putting a program together for Tubby
But hey, UNC played more games than us. We were content talking about winning % back then
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