Caller asks Pope about the foul calls

[yoshukai]

He hesitates and then says he has to be careful about what he says , “We've got to learn how it's being called." We're not interested in what the rules say, we're interested in what is being called... The rules that are written aren't be enforced."

 

[BassProCat]

 

[jwphelps]

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If you go back and watch that game I don't think anyone in the front office of the SEC can tell you what rules they use to make some of those calls, they let the game get out of hand, did not call the game even close to even just look at the free throw difference. They were not even consistent in what they did call or did not call.

 

[JumperJack]

CMP surely already knew that the officiating in this conference is bad, has been for years.

 

[JumperJack]

If you go back and watch that game I don't think anyone in the front office of the SEC can tell you what rules they use to make some of those calls, they let the game get out of hand, did not call the game even close to even just look at the free throw difference. They were not even consistent in what they did call or did not call.

The reels of phantom fouls that I’ve seen people compile is pretty astounding. You know it’s happening when you’re watching but seeing them again is something else.

 

[crawfords corner]

The Kentucky Effect is real. You might not like it because Cal said it, but it is real and they are different for UK than they are for everyone else.

 

[JonathanW]

There is bad and then there is blatantly biased (inconsistent). Bad is tolerable if still fair. Inconsistently biased is not tolerable.

But between:
- sliding 10’ on your back with the ball but no travel call
- a take down and pin to the floor that would get a 10 yard penalty on any offensive lineman, right in front of baseline ref, and not called
- multiple untouched or barely touched flops called fouls (one on Robinson on baseline, one on Butler on 3pt shot, maybe a third one)
- and lots of other inconsistent calls/no-calls not called the same on the 2 ends of the court


Had the game been called fairly, would we have won? Maybe not based on bad shooting. But it would have been much closer, we would have had a chance. Or maybe the shooting got worse as result of frustration of the biased officiating, we will never know.

 

[BassProCat]

If you go back and watch that game I don't think anyone in the front office of the SEC can tell you what rules they use to make some of those calls, they let the game get out of hand, did not call the game even close to even just look at the free throw difference. They were not even consistent in what they did call or did not call.

I’m just glad Pope and staff have contacted SEC offices and aren’t gonna let that shit slide.

 

[UKwootwoot]

Refs love a home crowd against UK. Won’t be the last time this season that the whistle is blown egregiously in one direction

 

[Supafuzz75]

There is bad and then there is blatantly biased (inconsistent). Bad is tolerable if still fair. Inconsistently biased is not tolerable.

But between:
- sliding 10’ on your back with the ball but no travel call
- a take down and pin to the floor that would get a 10 yard penalty on any offensive lineman, right in front of baseline ref, and not called
- multiple untouched or barely touched flops called fouls (one on Robinson on baseline, one on Butler on 3pt shot, maybe a third one)
- and lots of other inconsistent calls/no-calls not called the same on the 2 ends of the court


Had the game been called fairly, would we have won? Maybe not based on bad shooting. But it would have been much closer, we would have had a chance. Or maybe the shooting got worse as result of frustration of the biased officiating, we will never know.

You can slide 40' if want until you stop.. Just can't turn over or try to get up after that.. The rest I agree with..

 

[arenk]

Refs love a home crowd against UK. Won’t be the last time this season that the whistle is blown egregiously in one direction

Remember about 5 or 6 years ago the NCAA said that basketball was not football, but a game of finesse and movement and should be called that way? Whatever happened to that? None of the refs were willing to call 120 fouls a game to stop it so the NCAA just blew it off and here we are with pushing in the lower back, holding the rim when unnecessary to protect oneself, arm bars, flopping, mugging, holding, throwing people to the ground and I could go on for a few more sentences. If something isn't done, it's going to be a Triple A league for NBA aspirants with thuggery being the most important skill, if you can call it that. By today's rules, I guess it is considered a skill.

 

[UKBrassowTipIN]

There is bad and then there is blatantly biased (inconsistent). Bad is tolerable if still fair. Inconsistently biased is not tolerable.

But between:
- sliding 10’ on your back with the ball but no travel call
- a take down and pin to the floor that would get a 10 yard penalty on any offensive lineman, right in front of baseline ref, and not called
- multiple untouched or barely touched flops called fouls (one on Robinson on baseline, one on Butler on 3pt shot, maybe a third one)
- and lots of other inconsistent calls/no-calls not called the same on the 2 ends of the court


Had the game been called fairly, would we have won? Maybe not based on bad shooting. But it would have been much closer, we would have had a chance. Or maybe the shooting got worse as result of frustration of the biased officiating, we will never know.

Enraging....he's right there with a clear look on both







A good rule of thumb on the fouls, never blow the whistle unless it's undeniable, in my opinion it's better to miss a foul, then call one that's not there

 

[UKfanINcoach]

There is bad and then there is blatantly biased (inconsistent). Bad is tolerable if still fair. Inconsistently biased is not tolerable.

But between:
- sliding 10’ on your back with the ball but no travel call
- a take down and pin to the floor that would get a 10 yard penalty on any offensive lineman, right in front of baseline ref, and not called
- multiple untouched or barely touched flops called fouls (one on Robinson on baseline, one on Butler on 3pt shot, maybe a third one)
- and lots of other inconsistent calls/no-calls not called the same on the 2 ends of the court


Had the game been called fairly, would we have won? Maybe not based on bad shooting. But it would have been much closer, we would have had a chance. Or maybe the shooting got worse as result of frustration of the biased officiating, we will never

There is bad and then there is blatantly biased (inconsistent). Bad is tolerable if still fair. Inconsistently biased is not tolerable.

But between:
- sliding 10’ on your back with the ball but no travel call
- a take down and pin to the floor that would get a 10 yard penalty on any offensive lineman, right in front of baseline ref, and not called
- multiple untouched or barely touched flops called fouls (one on Robinson on baseline, one on Butler on 3pt shot, maybe a third one)
- and lots of other inconsistent calls/no-calls not called the same on the 2 ends of the court


Had the game been called fairly, would we have won? Maybe not based on bad shooting. But it would have been much closer, we would have had a chance. Or maybe the shooting got worse as result of frustration of the biased officiating, we will never know.

There is no travel for just sliding on your back as long as you don’t attempt to stand up or roll over. But other than that, the ref were definitely biased toward Georgia. Sad this seems to happen to UK regularly.

 

[UKWildcats1987]

It's great to try but Calipari dealt with this for 15 years and it didn't change. Tubby dealt with it for 10 and it didn't change. Same with Pitino and on and on.

 

[catfan220]

He hesitates and then says he has to be careful about what he says , “We've got to learn how it's being called." We're not interested in what the rules say, we're interested in what is being called... The rules that are written aren't be enforced."

“Based on our whistle in our first two SEC games, we’re doing in-depth study right now on — we’re not interested in what the rules are, we’re interested in the rules that are being called,” he said. “We want to push the envelope as far as we can toward the rules that are being called more than just following the rules that are written. … We’re learning the whistle right now. We got a massive education on the whistle last night.”

Great response and the last line made me lol

 

[docholiday51]

The reels of phantom fouls that I’ve seen people compile is pretty astounding. You know it’s happening when you’re watching but seeing them again is something else.

I've seen several posted on various social media platforms. After watching them the officiating was worse than I thought( how that is even possible astounds me)

 

[JonathanW]

I also forgot there were 3-4 late whistles (all against UK). It would be drive, shot, player falls down, shot is missed, then a whistle while he is on the floor.

 

[Cleatortoises]

Enraging....he's right there with a clear look on both

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A good rule of thumb on the fouls, never blow the whistle unless it's undeniable, in my opinion it's better to miss a foul, then call one that's not there

Aren't they supposed to call obvious flopping against the perpetrator?
The fact that the player isn't too embarrassed to even try that, confounds me.
Throwing the head back to fake contact also pisses me off.
You young pu$$ies get off my lawn!

 

[Greatestalltime]

Fans that don’t think refs are a factor never played or played for the team that got all the calls.

I’ve been on a team like that once or twice and it’s glorious. I can’t remember what Lattener said about that , but it was close to the same.

 

[rick64]

What refs sometimes do too when they're out of position they'll call a foul based on their experience or what they think might have happened even though they didn't actually see it. That's BS too.

 

[BigBlueManSouthCentralKY]

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Wish he was more specific. I did not know there are different rules for different conferences and different teams? Pope needs to get to know the refs we have a history with. Figure out how to overcome the bias with those few. Or recruit good enough to blow everybody out so the refs have no chance. Any idea's of what calls he is referring to that are different than the way he is used to?

 

[Creed Bratton]

He hesitates and then says he has to be careful about what he says , “We've got to learn how it's being called." We're not interested in what the rules say, we're interested in what is being called... The rules that are written aren't be enforced."

He ain't wrong. Travels, palming the ball, flopping, hanging on the rim and the list goes on and on of things that doesn't get called. He is certainly right that the game isn't called the way the rules are written anymore. I watched Kansas last night and KJ Adams did a chin up and pulled 1/2 of his upper body above the rim on a dunk when nobody was around him and he was in no danger of falling with no technical call. Against us Cyril jerked and pulled on the rim like he was trying to tear the goal down on a dunk with no technical call. UGA flopped on every trip down the floor trying to get a call and was a technical called for flopping like the rule states? No a foul was called on us. It's a flipping joke to watch how much stuff officials let go these days. It almost makes the game unwatchable.

 

[JonathanW]

traveling, palming the ball, hanging on the rim. While they bother me (since against the rules), every team does these things and gets away with them. What is most concerning is the inconsistencies, AND the FLOPPING. To me FLOPPING is the biggest wus play a player can make. IMO a player who flops is a straight ass p*ssy. But worse than that is refs rewarding players who do it by often putting them at the line.
Every P5 game is televised. Simply put a 4th ref in the video room, who can quickly watch the video and if he sees something (either that the player may have flopped, or that there was possibly head/neck contact, he can flip a switch turning a yellow light on at the scorers table indicating the floor refs need to review it). Simple. AND enforce the No Flopping penalties. I've yet to see anything more than a Warning called for flopping, and have only seen 2-3 Warnings. Once you start ENFORCING the no flopping rule, players will stop doing it; but if you keep rewarding flopping then of course they will continue to do it.

 

[AJG-15]

Enraging....he's right there with a clear look on both

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A good rule of thumb on the fouls, never blow the whistle unless it's undeniable, in my opinion it's better to miss a foul, then call one that's not there

First video , it’s a correct call. Shooter is entitled for space to land . Butler takes that away. No complains there.

Second video and third are jokes not to call travel or flopping.

 

[ck-2]

Kinda off topic a little bit because all teams including KY does it, but the double dribble call has been done away with evidently. I have lost count how many times a game I see a guy catch the ball, dribble one time, stand there and then dribble again. Especially post players.

 

[bigbluedon]

He ain't wrong. Travels, palming the ball, flopping, hanging on the rim and the list goes on and on of things that doesn't get called. He is certainly right that the game isn't called the way the rules are written anymore. I watched Kansas last night and KJ Adams did a chin up and pulled 1/2 of his upper body above the rim on a dunk when nobody was around him and he was in no danger of falling with no technical call. Against us Cyril jerked and pulled on the rim like he was trying to tear the goal down on a dunk with no technical call. UGA flopped on every trip down the floor trying to get a call and was a technical called for flopping like the rule states? No a foul was called on us. It's a flipping joke to watch how much stuff officials let go these days. It almost makes the game unwatchable.

Correction, it does make the game unwatchable.

 

[AJG-15]

He hesitates and then says he has to be careful about what he says , “We've got to learn how it's being called." We're not interested in what the rules say, we're interested in what is being called... The rules that are written aren't be enforced."

Well welll…. This is going to be interesting…SEC it is what it is today in basketball including officiating because Kentucky . While at Kentucky Cal has lobbied for more investment in basketball facilities, coaches, players, NIL money, rule changing in officiating having as base a stronger sec will benefit everyone ( schools, more money, more teams in NCAA tournament) and of course will benefit Kentucky having to play against stronger in conference competition.

A lot of the items that Kentucky and Calipari asked in all sec meetings did happened and are happening.

So part of the officiating tendencies in Sec is to encourage more teams in the NCAA tournament . How do you do that ? You let lesser basketball talented teams use their physical abilities and give that 10% home whistle court advantage.


If you recall there were couple calls against Kentucky recently that made the national news cause Calipari and Kentucky complained at SEC about it , showing the right tale and explanation and SeC did lobby for those rule changes for whole college basketball.

Now, we have a new coach. Pope does not have the same cloud (yet) as Calipari and Kentucky also lost some of it sec dominance. I will be very curious to see what Coach Pope correspondence with Sec brings.

One could argue that sec has the interest of not to have Kentucky buried in middle of sec, as flagship basketball conference program ….. but who knows other schools might a stronger voice than us right now.


Regardless, if Pope can see the light out of this and also establish himself as big dog ( cat) in the sec like calipari was.. it will be great. The rest, foul calls, travel, flopping , illegal screens not called the whole game are just part of what sec strategy of promoting more teams in NCAA tournament.

 

[TheDude73]

If you go back and watch that game I don't think anyone in the front office of the SEC can tell you what rules they use to make some of those calls, they let the game get out of hand, did not call the game even close to even just look at the free throw difference. They were not even consistent in what they did call or did not call.

The SEC or any conference will never admit they have rogue or bad refs. They will go to their graves giving the impression that their refs are the best in the sport. Even if they do review questionable games, I highly doubt any "boss" of a ref sits down in their weekly 1:1 and holds them accountable.

But I love Pope's approach. Much more diplomatic and going straight to the top rather than barking at the refs directly. But knowing how the referee cult works, my concern is that whomever Pope talks to, regardless of how diplomatic and nice he is, will still be pissed that anyone, ANYONE questions their authority in a game. Then Saturday rolls around and we end up with the trifecta - Pat Adams, Joe Lindsey, and Doug Shows.