California goes down

[DodgerDukie1985]

Terry Allen who is having a huge game (32 points, 13 rebounds) for Richmond just canned two foul shots. Then Richmond fouled and Cal hit two foul shots.
Allen going back to the line for two shots, 5.5 seconds left

 

[DodgerDukie1985]

He hit the first one, Cal called a timeout to ice him and set up a play.

 

[TopCatCal]

I've followed recruiting religiously for over 40 years & I believe Jaylen Brown from Georgia going to a nothing basketball school like California & playing for a no name coach like Cuonzo Martin is the most mystifying thing I've seen during these 40+ years, as far as recruiting goes.

 

[DodgerDukie1985]

Cal goes down again. 94-90

 

[darkshadesofblue]

Go Spider's

 

[JerseyCat84]

Cal loses again, this time to Richmond 90-94. Have fun, Jaylen.

 

[DodgerDukie1985]

I believe Jaylen Brown from Georgia going to a nothing basketball school like California & playing for a no name coach like Cuonzo Martin is the most mystifying thing I've seen during these 40+ years, as far as recruiting goes.

I think he and Ivan Rabb are good friends.

 

[crawfords corner]

I have to thank Phil for the laugh. Please post more often. You're a special kind of online poster.

 

[UKWildcats#8]

Another day, another loss for Cal. Brown had 27...but lost to Richmond. LOL.

 

[Smashcat]

No shame in losing to Richmond.

 

[DodgerDukie1985]

Thank you Coach Carter lol

 

[docholiday51]

I'm not mad at all. I'm just patiently waiting for you to actually make a coherent point.

It could take a while,hope you have a great deal of patience

 

[Kiimohawk]

LOL! I have watched a ton of T-Wolves games because of KAT. Wiggins is nice but not a superstar. Dude is a shooting guard that shoots below 30% from three. For most superstars they make the leap to superstar level at year two. With the numbers Andrew has he won't even sniff a reserve spot on the All-Star team. Compare that to Anthony Davis, Kyrie Irving and Blake Griffin's second years.

You know those three guys are an anomaly, especially Irving. If you are saying Wiggins is just going to be another "just good" player ten games into his second season you should go back and look at some other shooting guards first couple of years. Man, look at James Harden for instance. As a big it is much easier to ascend quickly. Even Dwyane Wade took a couple years. Wiggins is special and although his 3-point percentage is much lower than it needs to be his shot isn't broken and there is plenty of time. His step-back jumper is unguardable in this league. He'll be an all-star next year most likely.

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

You know those three guys are an anomaly, especially Irving. If you are saying Wiggins is just going to be another "just good" player ten games into his second season you should go back and look at some other shooting guards first couple of years. Man, look at James Harden for instance. As a big it is much easier to ascend quickly. Even Dwyane Wade took a couple years. Wiggins is special and although his 3-point percentage is much lower than it needs to be his shot isn't broken and there is plenty of time. His step-back jumper is unguardable in this league. He'll be an all-star next year most likely.

All true. Wiggins is special and will be a multi-year All-Star. I love his game.

That said, you, your coach, and your entire program will take partial credit in his development, as well you should. Kansas played a part. But you also must remember that you can't have it both ways, and neither can Self, when your program downplays the partial development of guys who attended Kentucky. Will Self spout off "Well, he was a pro before he got here" when referencing Wiggins on the recruiting trail?

Not a chance.

 

[Kiimohawk]

All programs including your own have the same issue. A Davis was going to be an all-star no matter where he played and at the same time the twins are ignored when talking about Cal's development of freshmen. It's a human nature issue, not a Kansas fan issue.

 

[UKDUNK]

You know those three guys are an anomaly, especially Irving. If you are saying Wiggins is just going to be another "just good" player ten games into his second season you should go back and look at some other shooting guards first couple of years. Man, look at James Harden for instance. As a big it is much easier to ascend quickly. Even Dwyane Wade took a couple years. Wiggins is special and although his 3-point percentage is much lower than it needs to be his shot isn't broken and there is plenty of time. His step-back jumper is unguardable in this league. He'll be an all-star next year most likely.

Your first sentence hit the nail on the head. Superstars don't come along all that often. The league is filled with shooting guards averaging 20 points per game shooting in the low 40s from the field and below 30 from three. Every NBA team has one. Wiggins is just another one of those guys. He's DeMar DeRozan with 10 times the hype.

 

[Kiimohawk]

And the fact that he's 20 years old and DeMar DeRozan is 26 doesn't have anything to do with the hype, huh? In fact it took DeRozan five years in the NBA to average what Wiggins is doing now. DeRozan has also plateaued, Wiggins won't be averaging 22 for long.

 

[kentucky_wildcat_#1]

Yea ok. Because I criticized stupid fellow UK fans I am not a UK fan now? Get over yourself buddy. You don't know me.

You suck at being a Kentucky fan. At least the guys you are arguing with have valid points. I'm not sure what you think you bring to the table. It is pretty obvious that every fanbase out there that can't get guys drafted where they are supposed to be drafted want kids to think it doesn't matter where you go to school, but as Cal has shown year after year, it does matter. Yeah, you can make it to the Nba going to any school, but if you want to last and go high in the lotto, no other school or coach is best at this than Cal and Kentucky. You can't even begin to argue with that so i wouldn't even waste my time trying. If it bothers you so much to read facts about Cal's success with ONEnDones, i would suggest you stay out of recruiting threads in the future.

 

[Galbpt02]

Think about deleting your account .

Such a great response - made me smile...well done sir, well done!

 

[UKCATSFREAK]

We're talking about Jaylen Brown and connecting his winning probabilities to other real freshmen who didn't do shite once the tournament came around.

You changed the narrative to "making it to the NBA", which no one said couldn't happen elsewhere. In fact, it's fairly obvious that it can happen virtually anywhere; however, what we're discussing is the success of other programs when it comes to actually winning with freshmen. If you can offer an extensive list of these guys who went to a Final Four since the Cal Era began (not counting Calipari's guys), go for it.

I'll offer a list of notable OADs during the Calipari Era who didn't advance to the Final Four.

Shabazz Muhammed - lost in the first round
Andrew Wiggins - lost in the second round (overall #1 pick in 2014)
Jabari Parker - lost in the first round
Anthony Bennett - lost in the first round (overall #1 pick in 2013)
Kyrie Irving - lost in the Sweet Sixteen (overall #1 pick in 2011)
Austin Rivers - lost in the first round
Andre Drummond - lost in the first round
Josh Selby - lost in the Sweet Sixteen
Kelly Oubre - lost in second round
De'Angelo Russell - lost in second round
Stanley Johnson - lost in Elite Eight
Aaron Gordon - lost in Elite Eight
Avery Bradley - lost in first round
Myles Turner - lost in first round
Kevon Looney - lost in Sweet Sixteen
Rashad Vaughn - didn't qualify for NCAA Tournament
Tyler Ennis - lost in second round
Noah Vonleh - didn't qualify for NCAA Tournament
Bradley Beal - lost in Elite Eight
Quincy Miller - lost in Elite Eight
Steven Adams - lost in first round


In fact, up until the 2015 Duke team, virtually every single OAD who attended another school during the Calipari Era failed to make a Final Four. You can ignore that point. I assure you Calipari won't.

Now, here's his list of OAD players who have made it to a Final Four with Calipari:

Karl Towns
Trey Lyles
Devon Booker
Julius Randle
James Young
Michael Kidd Gilchrist
Marquis Teague
Anthony Davis
Brandon Knight
Derrick Rose

You can say this is merely coincidental. You'd be wrong, however.

You make a valid point but you're just listing guys who don't make it to the FF. There are many pros who never made it to the FF too. I can see listing 1st and 2nd round losses to make your point but not elite eights. That is a pretty good run in the tournament to make it to the E8. I do see your point and it's a very valid point.

 

[bbsanders]

Yea ok. Because I criticized stupid fellow UK fans I am not a UK fan now? Get over yourself buddy. You don't know me.

Grow up millennial pansy