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Cal still can’t coach close games.

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I’m thrilled we won that MSU game, but it still really pisses me off that we let them tie it up after having big late leads. Yes, hubbard went nuclear, but Cal could have prevented that if he’s fouled as soon as crossing half court. He doesn’t do it, and it nearly cost us AGAIN.this season.
 
I’m thrilled we won that MSU game, but it still really pisses me off that we let them tie it up after having big late leads. Yes, hubbard went nuclear, but Cal could have prevented that if he’s fouled as soon as crossing half court. He doesn’t do it, and it nearly cost us AGAIN.this season.
You can’t foul them with 10-12 seconds in the game. Reeves had great defense on Hubbard, Ugo just needed to get out on the handoff but instead he stepped back which gave Hubbard just enough room to get the tough shot off. The turnover by reed put us in that position otherwise we are likely still up 2 after that made 3. Not blaming reed at all either by the way, we only won because of him, just bad timing for a bad play by him.
 
Too much time in your scenario. You can't send a guaranteed shooter to the line with 10+ seconds.

Ugo has to go over and hedge that screen HARD. Also Reeves has to do everything in his power to go over with Ugo. Let the big guy roll, a 2 does nothing.
 
I’m thrilled we won that MSU game, but it still really pisses me off that we let them tie it up after having big late leads. Yes, hubbard went nuclear, but Cal could have prevented that if he’s fouled as soon as crossing half court. He doesn’t do it, and it nearly cost us AGAIN.this season.
Yeah, fouling the shooter up three always works. Surprised Cal didn’t remember the 2010 SEC tournament final between the same two teams.

And to do it with 11 or 12 seconds to go? You give up two points and the guarantee another possession for MSU after Kentucky could have turned it over or missed a free throw. Terrible idea. Watch the last 90 seconds. There were 29 points scored. 11 seconds in that game was a lifetime.
 
You foul the terrible free throw shooter before he gets the ball to Nuclear Hubbard, 11 seconds or not. Make them make two free throws, then get the ball to Reed, Reeves, or Dillingham and take the much higher percentage play. Instead, Cal insists on giving other teams good percentage chances. Hubbard could have gotten a much better look. It so happens he hit a circus shot, but I contend that a smart coach doesn’t let him have EITHER opportunity. Yes, we won, and I’m grateful, but it’s just another example of muleheaded stubbornness from Cal in a tight game situation.
 
I’m thrilled we won that MSU game, but it still really pisses me off that we let them tie it up after having big late leads. Yes, hubbard went nuclear, but Cal could have prevented that if he’s fouled as soon as crossing half court. He doesn’t do it, and it nearly cost us AGAIN.this season.
You could ask every single D1 coach if they were fouling with that much time left and every single one of them would not have fouled.
 
Cal def can’t coach end of game.

You don’t foul there too much time left. I know some of the metrics say different, but I think if it’s under 7-8 secs that is where fouling is best. He could have had the guys deny Hubbard the ball or at least force the drive tho.
 
Dumb foul by UGO, silly turn over by Sheppard, and Hubbard going nuclear, yeap, ALL Cal coaching fault. Some "fans" just need to stay off of message boards with hair brained beliefs that do NOT fit the situation. Cal has made SEVERAL bone headed coaching decisions, but Tuesday night was not one of them.
 
You foul the terrible free throw shooter before he gets the ball to Nuclear Hubbard, 11 seconds or not. Make them make two free throws, then get the ball to Reed, Reeves, or Dillingham and take the much higher percentage play. Instead, Cal insists on giving other teams good percentage chances. Hubbard could have gotten a much better look. It so happens he hit a circus shot, but I contend that a smart coach doesn’t let him have EITHER opportunity. Yes, we won, and I’m grateful, but it’s just another example of muleheaded stubbornness from Cal in a tight game situation.

If they make 2 FTs and then we miss one they win at the buzzer on a 3 potentially.
 
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Dumb foul by UGO, silly turn over by Sheppard, and Hubbard going nuclear, yeap, ALL Cal coaching fault. Some "fans" just need to stay off of message boards with hare brained beliefs that do NOT fit the situation. Cal has made SEVERAL bone headed coaching decisions, but Tuesday night was not one of them.
These people combine irrational hatred of Cal with colossal ignorance of the game of basketball. It’s ugly.
 
Most people know my thoughts on Cal. Can’t stand the man, haven’t been able to stomach him for years.

However, not fouling was the correct decision.

Should have fouled in Florida game with a little less time left. You don’t foul with over 10 seconds left on the clock, up 3.

Again, Cal is an ass clown, but the decision at MSU was the correct one.
 
These people combine irrational hatred of Cal with colossal ignorance of the game of basketball. It’s ugly.
This is awful coaching. What other coach would let their big man foul and allow an and 1, let Hubbard push off and hit a step back contested 3, let Hubbard dribble down and drill a deep Steph Curry 3, then not foul with 12 seconds to go to extend the game and let Hubbard hit a deeper contested off balance 3.

 
You foul the terrible free throw shooter before he gets the ball to Nuclear Hubbard, 11 seconds or not. Make them make two free throws, then get the ball to Reed, Reeves, or Dillingham and take the much higher percentage play. Instead, Cal insists on giving other teams good percentage chances. Hubbard could have gotten a much better look. It so happens he hit a circus shot, but I contend that a smart coach doesn’t let him have EITHER opportunity. Yes, we won, and I’m grateful, but it’s just another example of muleheaded stubbornness from Cal in a tight game situation.
No never extend the game when you are ahead unless there is 5 or 6 seconds left. Statistically, it just doesn't work.
 
This is awful coaching. What other coach would let their big man foul and allow an and 1, let Hubbard push off and hit a step back contested 3, let Hubbard dribble down and drill a deep Steph Curry 3, then not foul with 12 seconds to go to extend the game and let Hubbard hit a deeper contested off balance 3.

SO Cal MADE UGO foul ? He is one powerful man, I have to give it to him. To be able to control a 7 foot / 250 pound human while he is out on the court and he is on the sidelines. Amazing abilities Cal has. Maybe he can MAKE a player hit shots, we will NEVER lose if he can adopt those powers along with making players foul.
Sounds stupid doesn't it ? Just like your post, just not as bad as your belief Cal MADE UGO foul. Hell, he probably MADE Hubbard hit all of those 3's to, damn Cal is out to get us.
 
SO Cal MADE UGO foul ? He is one powerful man, I have to give it to him. To be able to control a 7 foot / 250 pound human while he is out on the court and he is on the sidelines. Amazing abilities Cal has. Maybe he can MAKE a player hit shots, we will NEVER lose if he can adopt those powers along with making players foul.
Sounds stupid doesn't it ? Just like your post, just not as bad as your belief Cal MADE UGO foul. Hell, he probably MADE Hubbard hit all of those 3's to, damn Cal is out to get us.
I think you missed some sarcasm in the post you responded to.
 
I’m thrilled we won that MSU game, but it still really pisses me off that we let them tie it up after having big late leads. Yes, hubbard went nuclear, but Cal could have prevented that if he’s fouled as soon as crossing half court. He doesn’t do it, and it nearly cost us AGAIN.this season.
I agree. I was equally disappointed that we let that game get as close as it did. I am very sad that we almost lost. You're not wrong.
 
When you don't coach to detail or game situations, then you are going to end up with end of game plays in which no one is properly spaced, players running into each other because no player knows where to go, and usually a desperation shot that has little chance of going in. Thankfully Sheppard has a high basketball IQ and was able to change speeds on his dribble to get past his defender and into the paint for a floater to win. However, it should have never got to a last second shot. Can you believe UK had a 8 point lead and went 8 for 8 at the free throw line in the last 60 seconds of the game and it was half a second from going to overtime? What happened? Besides the turnover by Reed, the UK players and UK coaches have ZERO concept of running players off the 3 point line!! Same thing happened in the home loss to Florida as the UK defenders are always sagging back afraid the dribbler is going to drive past him. 2's weren't going to beat you, but 3's could. The fact Cal had Ugo out there in the last minute when the intent is defend the 3 and then put him back into the game after fouling the MSU driver for the And 1 with 29 seconds left is beyond stupid. What happens next - Ugo sags inside the arc on the pik allowing Hubbard a wide open look for the tie. Not only does UK have to execute to near perfection to win close games, you need to overcome Cal's inability to put players in the right situation to win.
 
When you don't coach to detail or game situations, then you are going to end up with end of game plays in which no one is properly spaced, players running into each other because no player knows where to go, and usually a desperation shot that has little chance of going in. Thankfully Sheppard has a high basketball IQ and was able to change speeds on his dribble to get past his defender and into the paint for a floater to win. However, it should have never got to a last second shot. Can you believe UK had a 8 point lead and went 8 for 8 at the free throw line in the last 60 seconds of the game and it was half a second from going to overtime? What happened? Besides the turnover by Reed, the UK players and UK coaches have ZERO concept of running players off the 3 point line!! Same thing happened in the home loss to Florida as the UK defenders are always sagging back afraid the dribbler is going to drive past him. 2's weren't going to beat you, but 3's could. The fact Cal had Ugo out there in the last minute when the intent is defend the 3 and then put him back into the game after fouling the MSU driver for the And 1 with 29 seconds left is beyond stupid. What happens next - Ugo sags inside the arc on the pik allowing Hubbard a wide open look for the tie. Not only does UK have to execute to near perfection to win close games, you need to overcome Cal's inability to put players in the right situation to win.
EXACTLY.
 
Too much time in your scenario. You can't send a guaranteed shooter to the line with 10+ seconds.

Ugo has to go over and hedge that screen HARD. Also Reeves has to do everything in his power to go over with Ugo. Let the big guy roll, a 2 does nothing.
Yeah, this is the answer. Fouling is a poor approach. But if Ugo hedges hard and lets the big he's guarding go free (as you say, a 2 is meaningless) and Reeves works harder to prevent that handoff and is closer to the play, Hubbard can't get the shot off or at least the shot is nearly impossible to make.

I agree with others, Ugo defending out there is not an advantage for us. I'd much prefer either of our other bigs on that play. I hope Calipari realizes Ugo as a defensive substitute is only wise if you know the opponent needs a shot in the lane. And to be honest, even in the lane Ugo hasn't been nearly as effective as he was in that Ole Miss game. Ivisic has been improving defensively very quickly and, in my opinion, the combination of his improved D and significantly better offense makes him a better option on both ends.
 
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You want Calipari to foul with 12 or 13 seconds left , and then claim that he can’t coach close games? Some of y’all are too much lol.
 
You want Calipari to foul with 12 or 13 seconds left , and then claim that he can’t coach close games? Some of y’all are too much lol.
You absolutely foul if the other team is dumb enough to have the ball in the hands of their sub-50% free throw shooter and NOT in the hands of their NUCLEAR shooter- a guy that hit EVERYTHING he threw up that night. Or at the VERY least you run their shooters off the 3 point line. Or double Hubbard, or SOMETHING to disrupt what they are trying to do.

Where were you when we were on the wrong side of other close games this season (and lost). You guys think I just hate Cal.

I don't.

I just hate that Cal has no freaking clue how to win tight ball games.
 
The only game this season this scenario applies to is Florida. None of the other games were lost due to that. We also saw a good FT shooter miss a FT against FL that allowed that ending. As I mentioned earlier it could have happened here as well but with UK losing instead of going to OT and then losing.

We have also won tons of close games, including n the ncaa tournament, under calipari. He also always loses a close game n the same tournament. I don't think we ever lost any due to not fouling though.

I'm ready for him to be fired yesterday and have said all season we won't ever win anything that matters again until he leaves (sec regular, sec tourney, make final four or win national title) but I just agree to disagree on this exact situation.
 
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I’m thrilled we won that MSU game, but it still really pisses me off that we let them tie it up after having big late leads. Yes, hubbard went nuclear, but Cal could have prevented that if he’s fouled as soon as crossing half court. He doesn’t do it, and it nearly cost us AGAIN.this season.
I made a comment on the KSR Sources Say show on Thursday night I said the same thing I said it was great Reed hit the game winner but it should never came to that you can't blow an 8 point lead with 57 seconds left and you want to know what someone in the chat said to me ?

He said I was the worst kind of Kentucky fan lol

So I should been thrilled we blew and 8 point lead and I should not have complained about it I guess
 
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You absolutely foul if the other team is dumb enough to have the ball in the hands of their sub-50% free throw shooter and NOT in the hands of their NUCLEAR shooter- a guy that hit EVERYTHING he threw up that night. Or at the VERY least you run their shooters off the 3 point line. Or double Hubbard, or SOMETHING to disrupt what they are trying to do.

Where were you when we were on the wrong side of other close games this season (and lost). You guys think I just hate Cal.

I don't.

I just hate that Cal has no freaking clue how to win tight ball games.
no you just hate Cal
 
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no you just hate Cal

I really don't. I loved cal when he joined the program. He was swaggy and uber confident and was middle fingers up at other programs. He embraced one and done and did it his way. He won and won big by getting the best players.

But then he got lazy and overconfident and thumbed his nose at the fans when we called him out on his actions. He lost his swag, and worried more about running players off to the NBA than actually winning games.

I don't hate Cal. I hate what he has become, when he could have been SO MUCH MORE.

But you keep your head in the sand and enjoy the view.
 
I just hate that Cal has no freaking clue how to win tight ball games.
You do realize who won the game, right? If we would have fouled with 11 seconds left, the outcome could have ended up differently with the way they were hitting everything they threw up. And all it would have taken was a missed free throw. I think the right decision was made and it worked out.
 
You do realize who won the game, right? If we would have fouled with 11 seconds left, the outcome could have ended up differently with the way they were hitting everything they threw up. And all it would have taken was a missed free throw. I think the right decision was made and it worked out.
This is SUCH a poor argument. You do realize that most successful coaches make smarter decisions that end up choking out teams rather than letting them keep it close, right? Smart coaches double a shooter that's absolutely TORCHED them for the entire game. Or they intentionally foul abysmal free throw shooters that are mistakenly left on the floor. Or they run other good shooters off the three point line. Or run zone when teams are repeatedly smoking them back door all game.

But you keep holding him up on your pedestal because we managed to hit a miracle runner to win the game that we should have put away much sooner than that by making smart plays.

I'm guessing you won't be out banging the Cal support drum when we lose in the 2nd round again this year.
 
I really don't. I loved cal when he joined the program. He was swaggy and uber confident and was middle fingers up at other programs. He embraced one and done and did it his way. He won and won big by getting the best players.

But then he got lazy and overconfident and thumbed his nose at the fans when we called him out on his actions. He lost his swag, and worried more about running players off to the NBA than actually winning games.

I don't hate Cal. I hate what he has become, when he could have been SO MUCH MORE.

But you keep your head in the sand and enjoy the view
you always let your hate skew your view of what is going on during games ,but you can keep your hate view and I'll enjoy the ball games
 
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This is SUCH a poor argument..
You can call it a poor argument if you want.. I honestly couldn't care less. Your initial point was that he should have fouled with 11 seconds left. Now you are adding in all the other stuff. That game is in the books and we won. Time to move on to today's game.
 
13 offensive rebounds given up in the game. Too much time on the clock. Give the other team extra possessions? Another couple of chances to foul someone we don't want them to foul? What if Ugo commits another stupid foul? What if Ugo gets put on the FT line?


The correct thing to do is deny Hubbard the ball. With more effort Antonio Reeves would have had a better chance preventing him getting the ball.
 
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