Cal Says Refs Swallowing Whistles
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NCAA officials are the worst in all of sports.
I can think of several off hand that I would love to see swallow their whistles and I wouldn't give them water
At Auburn, Murray drove the lane, got bumped hard not once but twice, went up for the lay-up, got bumped/hacked again, missed the shot, rebound AU, no call. So tired of this crap. Meanwhile, our guards touch a driver down the lane, it's an and-1.
It's called home cooking folks. Always been that way for the most part for UK on the road in the SEC.
And not to throw off UK's poor season to date on refs...but they are a joke with interpretation of rules.
We've done this "priority/focus on hand checking/contact and re-setting the ball handler by the defense". We go thru pre-season with many games lived on the FT line...only to get into league play and it's back to hand-to-hand combat yet again (but we still call every foul possible on post men jockeying for position). It's truly dumb and gets old especially with our dribble drive mentality at times...we drive into fouls with no whistle.
We've done this "priority/focus on hand checking/contact and re-setting the ball handler by the defense". We go thru pre-season with many games lived on the FT line...only to get into league play and it's back to hand-to-hand combat yet again (but we still call every foul possible on post men jockeying for position). It's truly dumb and gets old especially with our dribble drive mentality at times...we drive into fouls with no whistle.
Every front court player on the UK roster is prone to absolutely idiotic fouls. Poythress, Skal and Lee seemingly rotate foul trouble every single game. I'll give Ulis and Briscoe a break, most of their fouls are a result of tough D or taking chances. I also think a few guys, notably Murray and Willis, put our front court guys in some precarious situations to have fouls called on them.
Congrats on Cal finally figuring out what I said was going to happen 2 months before the season started. I can't fathom how he couldn't see it coming from a million miles away.
I'd rather play physical football like all the other teams and have guys foul out than play footsie sissy ball and still get called for those fouls.
I'd rather play physical football like all the other teams and have guys foul out than play footsie sissy ball and still get called for those fouls.
This is correct but most won't admit it. They feel better when they make themselves believe UK is always cheated.
Best news I've heard all week. Glad Cal is starting to take notice. It's not like the officials cater to him anyways. Why bother playing the nice guy, when you can be like Coach K.
Referees have nearly made college basketball an unwatchable product. If you don't have a rooting interest, there isn't much reason to watch.
NBA has become vastly superior, and that wasn't true in the past.
NBA has become vastly superior, and that wasn't true in the past.
That would not be good for us. You better believe Marcus Lee and Briscoe will end up being the ones that find themselves on the line more than anyone for UK. They seem to be the only 2 that aren't afraid to draw fouls.
Actually, when the "freedom of movement" rules were talked about at the beginning of the season, this thought crossed my mind. What this could effectively do is give referees free reign to call nothing on one end and touch fouls on the other end. And that's essentially what we saw Saturday. Auburn had freedom of movement. UK couldn't get a foul called.
The trouble with this playing rough idea is that all our players will foul out. The other team will get away with it, but our boys won't. So, he's got to teach our guys to play defense like it's freedom of movement and play offense like it's a no holds barred, cage match. That's basically what happened Saturday.
The trouble with this playing rough idea is that all our players will foul out. The other team will get away with it, but our boys won't. So, he's got to teach our guys to play defense like it's freedom of movement and play offense like it's a no holds barred, cage match. That's basically what happened Saturday.
Right! The same thing happened 2 years ago when the "freedom of movement" rule was applied. As the season moved more into conference play the less these calls were made. Remember the game at USC that had atrocious officiating on both ends? And this doesn't just happen to UK...it's all over the SEC and has been for years. For some odd reason, SEC officials play to the home crowds more than any other conference. Watch a random Tennessee at Georgia game or Texas A&M at Ole Miss and see how bad the officiating is for the road teams. I watched Virginia and FSU on Sunday night in a close game and when a big call when FSU's way there was no theatrical, demonstrative display to call the charge like you see from Doug Shows, Pat Adams and others.
I've definitely noticed the refs are doing what they always do, they start out the season with full intentions of following the new rules then they eventually revert back to their old ways. It's definitely happening again. I've never been an official so I don't know what it's like but I'm sure it's not easy.
Not related to whether or not UK gets a favorable whistle but the block/charge call is still horrendous.
Also, in watching the Duke and Syracuse game last night it was laughable how many blatant calls went in Duke's favor. One play in particular Plumlee the 8th caught the ball while standing on the baseline, outside the free throw lane and some how managed to dunk the ball on the other side of the goal without dribbling or walking according to the ref. They missed 2 calls on one play...that goes beyond being incompetent in my opinion.
Also, in watching the Duke and Syracuse game last night it was laughable how many blatant calls went in Duke's favor. One play in particular Plumlee the 8th caught the ball while standing on the baseline, outside the free throw lane and some how managed to dunk the ball on the other side of the goal without dribbling or walking according to the ref. They missed 2 calls on one play...that goes beyond being incompetent in my opinion.
This is very true. I have seen some…. Interesting theatrics from Pat Adams. He likes to look back and stare players down. I don't see that from officials from other conferences.
If you want to play physical, you have to commit to playing more than 7-8 players which is not Cal's style.
We surely didnt play well but at least our effort was better. The effort we saw in our other 3 losses was as bad as I've ever seen.
Cal doesn't have a long history of commenting publicly on officiating. He is right about this one. Coaches change their instructions based on how fouls are supposed to be called given what they are told is the new interpretation. That was how it was starting the season, but it isn't called that way in many games. It's very inconsistent. That isn't even touching on whether it was one-sided that game or not. It has to be frustrating as a coach when you are told to tell your players this is a foul and then it isn't called. Early in the Auburn game I actually said out loud that we could not complain about the refs because we got away with a few things. It took a dramatic turn though and heavily favored Auburn, especially in the second half.
We get homecooking at time, of course, but it is nowhere near what it is at some schools. I have counted a handful of times, where the other teams was in the double bonus before we were even in the bonus. And that has happened at Rupp too. I understand getting annoyed at fans bitching every single game, but that doesn't mean it's never valid. Sometimes teams do get screwed. Not just us of course.
We get homecooking at time, of course, but it is nowhere near what it is at some schools. I have counted a handful of times, where the other teams was in the double bonus before we were even in the bonus. And that has happened at Rupp too. I understand getting annoyed at fans bitching every single game, but that doesn't mean it's never valid. Sometimes teams do get screwed. Not just us of course.
I think Cal has a point and its not a Kentucky thing.
They were supposed to be calling a lot of casual contact stuff against the ball handler. At the first of the year, they did that. Lately, a lot of games have gone back to last years approach and I've seen some change mid game. So you go from no touch, to no touch with a bat. Darn tough to play under those conditions.
Our team this year is best served by enforcing those original points of interest.
They were supposed to be calling a lot of casual contact stuff against the ball handler. At the first of the year, they did that. Lately, a lot of games have gone back to last years approach and I've seen some change mid game. So you go from no touch, to no touch with a bat. Darn tough to play under those conditions.
Our team this year is best served by enforcing those original points of interest.
It's a conspiracy!
The NCAA is out to get us!
That being said, Cal's right. Players need armor to drive the paint these days.
The NCAA is out to get us!
That being said, Cal's right. Players need armor to drive the paint these days.
The game being in Alabama, I thought Tyler was going to be required to marry a few of the Auburn guys, the way they treated him on some of his drives.
I hope they call all of the fouls like they are supposed to. We are a finesse team, it is to our advantage if they call all fouls. The rougher the game is the more it benefits the less skilled team.
Just a small correction. None of that was consensual. Marriage would not be indicated. Assault charges were far more likely. At least they didn't turn him upside down and try to shake the money out of him like at Alabama.
he figured it long ago. not only did he call it in the media prior to this season starting, he also stated 3 years ago basically the same thing.
"I think it's good for the game," Kentucky's John Calipari said in a news conference Tuesday. "But we're all wondering whether they will make the same calls in January, February and March that they make in November and December. "
he can't go in the media and flat out say they are full of shit and will never follow through like some nobody on a forum, but basically that's his equivalent politically correct quote from 2013.
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I don't subscribe to the notion that only UK is being cheated. Officiating is simply terrible, and it affects everyone to some degree.
That being said, a team attempting to capitalize on utilizing quick, elite athletes is at a disadvantage when hacks, grabs, and bumps are not called.
That being said, a team attempting to capitalize on utilizing quick, elite athletes is at a disadvantage when hacks, grabs, and bumps are not called.
This is a very important take-away from this game that I think people missed. The effort was a lot better all around. Poy had a mild injury, so his performance is somewhat excused. Skal had more fire. Briscoe and Murray were solid. Willis continued to improve.
Just bad officiating on a tough SEC road game. It's hard to overcome that.
But I'm not really upset with the loss. Thought it was a pretty good showing by a young Kentucky game, all things considered.
I hate to be "that guy," but I feel the freedom of movement keeps getting thrown out due to outside influences... namely Vegas. When all the games are slug fests, it's a hell of a lot easier to call fouls when and where it is most advantageous for your desired result, without raising too much suspicion.
I really really hate to be that guy, but damn, it's bad. There needs to be a third party referee academy or something.
I really really hate to be that guy, but damn, it's bad. There needs to be a third party referee academy or something.
his mistake is trying to play through it and get a credible shot at the rim instead of falling to the floor like that clown canty
remember how freedom of movement was supposed to be a point of emphasis? remember how they were going to call fewer charges last year and the year before that?
people who complain about people complaining about refs are the worst. ncaa officials are largely clueless, preening egomaniacs who don't really understand their function
is there somebody here who is going to tell me that there was no difference between the way officials treated towns last year to how they treated okafor?
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