Black cloud has hung over Derrick Rose almost his whole career. Karma?

[mj2k10]

Mj2k10- Here's the article proving my point, "The truth about DRose" Seriously he was all around analytically one of the worst MVPs ever. I think him and Iverson are the worst. Please don't ever use PER as your only proof again. Also, did you know the Bulls outscored teams more with him on the bench than in the actual game?http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=PERDiem-110331

And please don't come at me with an article talking about how unworthy Derrick Rose was as MVP when the very first sentence of the article reads-

"What bothers me so much about this year's MVP coronation of "The Derrick Rose Story" is not so much that it's a mistake -- we've had bad award votes before and will have them again -- but that it's the same mistake, for the fifth time in 11 years."

Which was exactly my point. And you still seem to be unable to grasp the idea that a guy being unworthy of an MVP award doesn't equate to him not being a great player. Hollinger's conclusion is that Rose probably should have finished 6th or 7th in the voting. Psst- I've got news for you. Being the 6th of 7th best player in the NBA is no small thing, especially in your 3rd year. You clearly want to dump on Rose as much as possible, but it's complete BS to act like he wasn't a legit star his first 3 (and a half) years in the league. He did win Rookie of the Year, and he did win MVP, and he did have a very, very bright future.

Really good article, BTW. Too bad you didn't seem to read it.

 

[WitnessGreatness]

And please don't come at me with an article talking about how unworthy Derrick Rose was as MVP when the very first sentence of the article reads-

"What bothers me so much about this year's MVP coronation of "The Derrick Rose Story" is not so much that it's a mistake -- we've had bad award votes before and will have them again -- but that it's the same mistake, for the fifth time in 11 years."

Which was exactly my point. And you still seem to be unable to grasp the idea that a guy being unworthy of an MVP award doesn't equate to him not being a great player. Hollinger's conclusion is that Rose probably should have finished 6th or 7th in the voting. Psst- I've got news for you. Being the 6th of 7th best player in the NBA is no small thing, especially in your 3rd year. You clearly want to dump on Rose as much as possible, but it's complete BS to act like he wasn't a legit star his first 3 (and a half) years in the league. He did win Rookie of the Year, and he did win MVP, and he did have a very, very bright future.

Really good article, BTW. Too bad you didn't seem to read it.

O I read it alright, the article about him being the worst MVP of all time. LeBron will make him cry again in the playoffs this year, that's if he makes it to the playoffs. Also, nowhere did I say he wasn't a good player, I said don't use him winning MVP as a reason, because he is arguably the worst MVP of all time

 

[BobbyG_tickle_swerv]

Why do so many here keep ignoring the fact that practically all of there games were getting wiped after his brother got the first free trip. Count the test and he was still ineligible and Memphis still vacates games after the middle of December.

 

[treyforuk]

Ignoring facts. ..goodun'

 

[Orville Boggs]

It's past time to BAN bobbyg!

 

[bthaunert]

Why do so many here keep ignoring the fact that practically all of there games were getting wiped after his brother got the first free trip. Count the test and he was still ineligible and Memphis still vacates games after the middle of December.

I never brought it up because I have never believed that they would have vacated wins for that. Vacated wins generally have to do with benefits to a player, voiding his eligibility. I know it has been said that the wins would have been voided, I just don't know any circumstance that has happened before where wins were vacated for something that had zero to do with a players eligibility, cheating to get a player, etc.

 

[BobbyG_tickle_swerv]

I never brought it up because I have never believed that they would have vacated wins for that. Vacated wins generally have to do with benefits to a player, voiding his eligibility. I know it has been said that the wins would have been voided, I just don't know any circumstance that has happened before where wins were vacated for something that had zero to do with a players eligibility, cheating to get a player, etc.

You've never heard of a player being ruled ineligible because someone associated with a school gave benefits to one/some of the player's family members?

Also, they did rule him ineligible to compete after this happened, it's in Memphis' notice, directly after stating he was ineligible due to the exam snafu:
Finally, as referenced in Finding B-4, the violations involving student-athlete 1's brother would also have rendered student-athlete 1 ineligible, beginning in mid-December 2007.

So, now you can use this when people want to argue that he shouldn't have been ruled ineligible. I'm also pleased to see you point out that the NCAA warned Memphis a couple of times before the season about Rose, to which they ignored. However, I'm pretty sure this will be lost on your detractors...along with the free travel expenses to Rose's brother.

 

[Cats192]

Didn't Rose sign a 200 million dollar contract with Adidas? Karam's a real Bi+ch

 

[Louis_Skunt]

Didn't Rose sign a 200 million dollar contract with Adidas? Karam's a real Bi+ch

Money means minimal when it comes to your health, its really no comparison. What do you think Kyrie would've given to play in the finals last year? I guarantee an entire seasons worth of bread to start.

 

[Cats192]

Money means minimal when it comes to your health, its really no comparison. What do you think Kyrie would've given to play in the finals last year? I guarantee an entire seasons worth of bread to start.

I guess some people would rather play than get paid. Most people aren't going to give up 10+ million dollars to play a few basketball games. But the point of the thread is asking if Rose has had bad Karma. Rose, at age 23 signed a shoe deal for 185 million. Most basketball players won't sniff that kind of dough over the course of their careers. Rose gets that just for his name being on shoes. Im sorry, but at the point, Rose has won. I'm sure you'd rather be paid AND win. But, everyone wants to get paid and take care of their family. Rose won.

 

[Jkwo]

It's been a while since I had Eastern Civ, but my understanding is Rose would only have what we might consider "negative" karma only if his dharma fell outside the bounds of what his dharma should be. His dharma would be determined by his caste and gender. So for Rose to be experiencing negative karma, it wouldn't be from breaking test rules, it would be from becoming too successful at his trade, thereby violating his dharma.

lmao

 

[bthaunert]

You've never heard of a player being ruled ineligible because someone associated with a school gave benefits to one/some of the player's family members?

Also, they did rule him ineligible to compete after this happened, it's in Memphis' notice, directly after stating he was ineligible due to the exam snafu:
Finally, as referenced in Finding B-4, the violations involving student-athlete 1's brother would also have rendered student-athlete 1 ineligible, beginning in mid-December 2007.

So, now you can use this when people want to argue that he shouldn't have been ruled ineligible. I'm also pleased to see you point out that the NCAA warned Memphis a couple of times before the season about Rose, to which they ignored. However, I'm pretty sure this will be lost on your detractors...along with the free travel expenses to Rose's brother.

I know that the NCAA, as part of their report, said that he would have been ruled ineligible as part of his brother receiving some benefits...I've always thought that was something they said, but if it was the only violation, they would not have made the team forfeit games. I just cannot see the NCAA making a player ineligible for $1700 of travel benefits received by his brother. If there are other cases out there where something so minimal like that resulted in a player becoming ineligible or a team forfeiting games, I would love to hear about it. I should have specified that I was referring to the minor nature of the infraction, as compared to a Reggie Bush scenerio.

 

[jameslee32]

Gotta love a self-proclaimed NCAA infractions expert calling out others for how little they know on the subject.

 

[Xception]

The NCAA used unscrupulous tactics in an effort to bring Miami down , an NCAA investigator talked to her boyfriend in a manner that she predetermined that Shabazz Muhammed was guilty . Time and again and likely many times that we don't know about the NCAA has shown to be entirely untrustworthy and will do things that aren't mistakes but deliberate by design , like when they created a special investigative unit to target certain schools . But we are to believe they were on the up and up in the Rose case or the Lance Thomas case ? Yep , that signature examination sounds legit .